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Should ALL able-bodied, adult Christians be on the streets & going house to house preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ? Created: 8/23/2007 | Last Vote: 56 hours ago | Comment: 6 days ago

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11/15/09 5:31 PM The Guide    • Posted 6 days ago • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments Jim Lincoln wrote: You should do it in plain English to the other responders on this thread Not forgetting that John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, HE WILL GUIDE YOU INTO ALL TRUTH: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. 15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you." KJV 11/15/09 4:18 PM Power of the Word    • Posted 6 days ago • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments "There is a peculiar convincing power in the word, which God is oftentimes pleased to put forth, to the wounding, amazing, and, in some sort, humbling of sinners, though they are never converted. And the word is to be preached though it hath this end, yet not with this end. Let, then, the word be preached, and the sins of men [will be] rebuked, lust will be restrained, and some oppositions will be made against sin; though that be not the effect aimed at. 3. Though this be the work of the word and Spirit, and it be good in itself, yet it is not profitable nor available as to the main end in them in whom it is wrought; they are still in the gall of bitterness, and under the power of darkness" (John Owen. On Mortification of sin) 11/15/09 3:40 PM Jim Lincoln  | Nebraska    • Posted 6 days ago • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments John Yurick as has been pointed out in Treading the Roman Road you should be able to present the Gospel. Now have you at least talked it over with your family?! (Or do you plan to email them? ) Romans 10 14 How then shall they call upon Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher? ---NASB You should do it in plain English to the other responders on this thread, if you don't they might think your a Mormon or some other cultist! Part III: From the KJV to the RV (from Elegance to Accuracy) 11/15/09 3:29 PM John UK  | Wales    • Posted 6 days ago • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments ifso wrote: a) Yes me ole radish 'e did, BUT he also refers to quote; "and in no period of history have God's elect perished from the earth..." Thats why I made the comment re the OT. b) Ok. "Thus God's sovereignty extends beyond and is above gospel audio (ye hearing of ye ear) and auditory function reactions (ye reaction of ye sinner to ye hearing of ye ears)" Now if you rattle me cage agin wiv dis AV "thee's and thou's," oil git Jim Lincoln onto yer case agin, so oi will!! Onyways I's thot ye wiz a wurzel spokist rather than a 17th century posh fella. #1 Oh it's you, me ol' turnip. So you reckon that in some period of history.... Some of God's elect perished? #2 Thou meanest that thou hast not seen in the OT the gospel preached? Oh thine head hast not got enough leaves thereupon. #3 Well I've got a mix of accents, especially a Summerzet or Devonshire, ooo ahhh - farmer-style - wheat grass sticking out my bonnet. But I'm gettin better since reading the Good Book. #4 Now don't say anythin to Jim lad, or I'll be have to pray for you again, that the Lord put some more grey cells in yer bonce. #5 As for salvation by works - 11/15/09 3:08 PM ifso    • Posted 6 days ago • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments John UK wrote: a) Kuiper is writing about New Testament evangelism, so how did the OT come into the conversation? b) Can you please rewrite this bit in AV language, which is far, far easier to understand than this modern drivel. a) Yes me ole radish 'e did, BUT he also refers to quote; "and in no period of history have God's elect perished from the earth..." Thats why I made the comment re the OT. b) Ok. "Thus God's sovereignty extends beyond and is above gospel audio (ye hearing of ye ear) and auditory function reactions (ye reaction of ye sinner to ye hearing of ye ears)" Now if you rattle me cage agin wiv dis AV "thee's and thou's," oil git Jim Lincoln onto yer case agin, so oi will!! Onyways I's thot ye wiz a wurzel spokist rather than a 17th century posh fella. 11/15/09 1:29 PM John UK  | Wales    • Posted 6 days ago • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments ifso wrote: But John The gospel was not preached in OT times. This conflicts with this statement..... Kuiper is writing about New Testament evangelism, so how did the OT come into the conversation? ifso wrote: Thus God's sovereignty extends beyond and is above gospel audio and auditory function reactions. Can you please rewrite this bit in AV language, which is far, far easier to understand than this modern drivel. 11/15/09 11:51 AM ifso    • Posted 6 days ago • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments John UK wrote: And the gospel is the means by which God bestows saving faith upon them. In fact, it is the only means by which God employs to that end. "Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God" (Rom.10:17)... The church consists of "elect from every nation", and in no period of history have God's elect perished from the earth, nor will that occur in the future. But John The gospel was not preached in OT times. This conflicts with this statement. Also Romans 9: 18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. 21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?" Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will" Thus God's sovereignty extends beyond and is above gospel audio and auditory function reactions. 11/15/09 9:51 AM John Yurich USA  | USA    • Posted 6 days ago • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments No, it is not necessary for all able bodied adult Christians to preach the Gospel Of Jesus via verbal communication. Preaching the Gospel of Jesus can also be done via written communication on discussion forums. 11/15/09 9:10 AM John UK  | Wales    • Posted 6 days ago • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments [Occasionally it is suggested that election makes evangelism superfluous. The question is asked: "If the decree of election is unchangeable and therefore renders the salvation of the elect completely certain, what need have they of the gospel? Will not the elect be saved whether or not they hear the evangel? The premise of that argumentation is altogether true. Divine election makes the salvation of the elect unalterably certain. But the conclusion drawn from that premise reveals a serious misunderstanding of the divine sovereignty as expressed in the decree of election...Instead of rendering evangelism superfluous, election demands evangelism. All of God's elect must be saved. Not one of them may perish. And the gospel is the means by which God bestows saving faith upon them. In fact, it is the only means by which God employs to that end. "Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God" (Rom.10:17)... The church consists of "elect from every nation", and in no period of history have God's elect perished from the earth, nor will that occur in the future. God wants the evangel proclaimed throughout the world and throughout time in order that the sum total of His elect may be gathered in. Again let it be said, election demands evangelism.] Kuiper 4/16/09 12:44 PM John UK  | Wales    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments rogerant wrote: Actually the main job of the church is uphold the proclamation of the gospel and to administer the sacraments. In other words, to "Feed the Sheep" in Word and Sacrament Actually the main job of the church is uphold the proclamation of the gospel and to administer the sacraments. In other words, to "Feed the Sheep" in Word and Sacrament, thereby enabling them to be good soldiers in Christ's army, and powerful witnesses to him in the world around them, as well as being salt and light, going about 'doing good' as Jesus did himself, and any other thing which the Lord commands them. 4/16/09 11:06 AM rogerant  | Saskatoon Canada    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments Veritas wrote: Dont bring people to church... its not the churches job to save people... the job of the church is to prepare the deciples to spead the Gospel... now it is okay for someone to get saved in church of course but that is not the purpose of the church... Actually the main job of the church is uphold the proclamation of the gospel and to administer the sacraments. In other words, to "Feed the Sheep" in Word and Sacrament. 4/15/09 1:34 PM Veritas    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments Dont bring people to church... its not the churches job to save people... the job of the church is to prepare the deciples to spead the Gospel... now it is okay for someone to get saved in church of course but that is not the purpose of the church... 4/2/09 9:46 AM John UK  | Wales    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments Thumbsup wrote: Ian Brown=gospel advertising Johnuk blog worth following Thanks, I've bookmarked it for ref 4/2/09 3:01 AM Thumbsup    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments Ian Brown=gosple advertising Johnuk blog worth following 4/1/09 2:56 PM Jim Lincoln  | Nebraska    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments John UK, true, but sometimes what indwells in the heart could use some discipline as the sermon itself, The Roman Road points out. Actually the better one knows why one is a Christian the better he can present that reason to someone else I wouldn't support a rote presentation myself, and as SermonAudio has it, The Gospel of John can be used as well. 1Corinthians 9 23 And I do all things for the gospel's sake, that I may be a joint partaker thereof. 24. Know ye not that they that run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? Even so run; that ye may attain. 25 And every man that striveth in the games exerciseth self-control in all things. Now they [do it] to receive a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible. 26 I therefore so run, as not uncertainly; so fight I, as not beating the air: 27 but I buffet my body, and bring it into bondage: lest by any means, after that I have preached to others, I myself should be rejected. 3/31/09 4:42 PM John UK  | Wales    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments Jim Lincoln wrote: Sigh, probably we should, and all should at least know about The Roman Road, so they at least can present the Gospel, and not sound like a Jehovah Witness! I just hope that we don't all use the Roman Road in evangelism, or we certainly will sound the well-trained Jehovah's Witnesses. These JW's do not have the gospel nor the Holy Ghost empowering them. We have both, and we have all we need to present a gospel message. Even a new Christian can tell how they came to know the Saviour. But Acts 1:8 is always the key. 3/31/09 2:37 PM Jim Lincoln  | Nebraska    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments Sigh, probably we should, and all should at least know about The Roman Road, so they at least can present the Gospel, and not sound like a Jehovah Witness! 3/31/09 12:42 PM Castanet    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments Mike wrote: Guilty as charged with what? Being born? Oh, I forgot, they were created guilty before they were born. Were they more guilty than the selected elected? Are not all sinners? Or are some sinners more guilty than others? Or is guilt not a factor at all? Mike Is that really you asking these questions? Is the mortal born a sinner? Or is sin just another effect of his all-powerful free will? "more guilty" Nope we are all the same IN GOD'S EYES. As for the rest of your statement above.... God incarnate called Jesus the Son of God, makes ALL the difference. HE died on a cross was crucified and by this JUSTIFIES, before God, those drawn by God to His Son. 44 NO MAN CAN come to me, EXCEPT the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. 9 Much more then, being NOW JUSTIFIED by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. 10 For if, when we were enemies, we were RECONCILED to God by the death of his Son, much more, BEING RECONCILED, we shall be saved by his life. 19 To wit, that GOD WAS in Christ, RECONCILING the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; But you already know this mike. 3/31/09 10:48 AM Mike  | New York    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments John UK wrote: But Mike, they are not preselected to this sad state. We found this out in a huge debate a while back, remember? The positive, positive versus the positive, negative. Surely you didn't forget that one? --- But of course, you still imagine that the doctrines of grace are unbiblical and unfair. But what happens if you take away the teaching of the Bible on God's grace? If it is not true? Then not one man would be in heaven, save Jesus Christ and him alone. For without grace, there is no hope for any of us. It will not do to blame Adam, for we were all there, in the garden, in Adam. John, didn't you note sarcasm in my post? I don't remember imagining anything about the doctrines of grace, nor have said anything about anything biblical being unfair. I simply disagree with those Calvinists who believe in double predestination. (They haven't gone away) Castanet: "..don't forget they were all guilty as charged. You don't want these criminals to be set free do you?" Guilty as charged with what? Being born? Oh, I forgot, they were created guilty before they were born. Were they more guilty than the selected elected? Are not all sinners? Or are some sinners more guilty than others? Or is guilt not a factor at all? 3/31/09 8:42 AM Castanet    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments Mike wrote: But John, how are we to account for their preselection to this sad state? Are we not told the selected shall live, and the non-selected...well, into the flames with them, they were predestinated to this fate, and rightly so, harumph? Ah Mike but don't forget they were all guilty as charged. You don't want these criminals to be set free do you? ___________ Wow!! It really is a good job that you theological experts are here to correct us. BTW Hell is a spiritual entity where the physical parts of the mortal don't go. So how can fire and flames hurt them to make them cry out with a physical sound by a physical voice box (larynx) they no longer possess??? Thankyou DJC49 and "Take Heed" for such serious orthodox theological acumen. Par Excellence. Now folks the next quest is "What about this guy with the big horns and the forked tail???" All expert answers on a post(card) please.

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