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Is it getting harder to find a church in which you agree in most matters of faith and practice? Comments encouraged. Created: 5/20/2008 | Last Vote: 32 hours ago | Comment: 5 months ago

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6/15/09 2:30 PM KK  | USA    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments I haven’t the words to express the complete and total disdain all of us should feel toward men and their appetite for the almighty dollar as they so enthusiastically fit tightly into the 501c3 mold. – How do men find it so easy to give up their GOD GIVEN FREE SPEECH RIGHTS ??? – It's the path of cowardice, and Hell itself, to love money so much that one would pervert TRUTH to have it !!! Today I heard Charles Stanley giving ‘his’ “ReLiGiOuS” rendition/interpretation of John 10:27-29 and Eph 2:8, 9. – There are many men who hold to his same old mixed up, man-made, unscriptural belief. Same old problem just a different day – men hear what they want to hear... – Stanley tends to skip right over John 10:27 “My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:” – and he should have kept reading in Eph 2:10 “For we are his workmanship, created “IN” Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we SHOULD walk in them”. Men like their own twisted “ReLiGiOuS” versions of GOD’S TRUTH, because their version holds no conditions whatsoever. – THAT’S NOT WHAT GOD’S WORD SAYS !!! – All through THE WORD those with ears to "HEAR" are told exactly what they SHOULD sow to. A man "CANNOT" love two masters !!! Men Best Wake Up !!! Veritas Vincit !!! KK 5/21/09 1:04 PM Nathan  | Australia    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments I think its a matter of coming to an impasse with churches in the 21st century. Like a woman in labour you end up being pushed out when it is time to be born as a mature christian. It's not so much about finding a church in which "I" agree but finding a church in which agrees with scripture. God just won't stop pushing me on issues that are insurmountable to resolve. Like Christmas, Easter, The Cross as a symbol of Baal, paganism even of Church architecture, worldliness posing a worship, ministers dull of understanding, and their willingness to sell truth for a mess of pottage. For example Wiccans have made application to our Education system in NSW to have "scripture" like classes, and a church leader says "this could work to our advantage". What team are they batting for? Most primary school kids want to be a Harry Potter. How is half of scripture class attending Wiccan class to our advantage unless they mean it will harry (freudian slip) upon us the judgement of God. 4/5/09 4:20 AM Wake up  | Aust    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments Edy wrote: Since most churches are now under the corporate 501C3 and its pastors are CEO's, I see no reason to go. I am now looking for a home church; until then, I use Sermon Audio alot. Praise God for your stand Edy and your search for a home church. Too many want to pay greater homage to ceasar but unto God the things that are God?? Who will stand for Him before men! I used MLJ (his stuff is copy write but woth buying )for a while what a refeshing blessing to hear a man of God that actually feared God and wasn,t afraid to speak the truth in the Spirit!Id highly recomend Getting his revival series on gen 26: 18 dead orthadoxy , defective orthadoxy..... are rippers! 3/26/09 12:02 PM Edy    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments Since most churches are now under the corporate 501C3 and its pastors are CEO's, I see no reason to go. I am now looking for a home church; until then, I use Sermon Audio alot. 3/11/09 4:33 PM Jim spannagel  | New Hampton, New York    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments What is hard, is not finding a church I agree with, but one that holds true to the scripture. One that has not bowed down to the latest Bible versions, contemporary music and worship. One that stands firm in it's commitment to the "old paths" in God's wisdom and not mans'. Not the designer churches we see today, but one that preaches Hell and the blood of Christ without reservation! 1/23/09 1:28 PM s.s.    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments Moderator, Please note that over the past couple of days DJC49 has made reference to me at least 4 times, and prior to that several times without me responding in kind. 1/21 7:05 p.m. 1/22 10:35 a.m. 1/22 7:06 p.m. 1/22 7:46 p.m. My question is why you would discriminate against me for posting "ROTFL" and for saying that I "knew who was behind a particular post when it originated with DJC49?" Your censorship was unfair, harsh, and targeted me. 1/23/09 11:34 AM S.S.    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments [Removed by SermonAudio.com] 1/23/09 9:49 AM Patience    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments Trial and Trib wrote: First let me apologise profusely for daring to use more monikers than you would allow. Why this displeases you is a mystery to me, but there it is. So = Suffering/rejection/loss of life has nothing to do with spiritual, societal and temporal persecution?? Jesus referring to taking up their cross, is related to the verses surrounding the "cross" reference. (Not a pun). Here the Lord literally lays down a challenge that life on earth following Christ Jesus, will be more than just difficult; - it will be dangerous and suffering (guess what) persecution. Monikers are just that - nothing more to me - required to make a statement, and fun to come up with. Since I do not know any of the posters, they are totally w/o reference for me. Sorry if others prefer one stick with one moniker. Now, as to your statement regarding suffering - I do not understand what you are saying. Clue me in. Your premise and conclusion is ambiguous. 1/23/09 9:29 AM Trial and Trib    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments DJC49 wrote: What you are totally missing is this: "taking up one's cross" is something that the follower of Jesus DOES. It's NOT what is done TO him, i.e., persecution. And *Mrs. S.S.* is .....frequently First let me apologise profusely for daring to use more monikers than you would allow. Why this displeases you is a mystery to me, but there it is. 22 The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised the third day. = Suffering/Rejection by religious Heirarchy/slain 23 take up his cross daily, and follow me. 24 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it. = Loss of life. So = Suffering/rejection/loss of life has nothing to do with spiritual, societal and temporal persecution?? Jesus referring to taking up their cross, is related to the verses surrounding the "cross" reference. (Not a pun). Here the Lord literally lays down a challenge that life on earth following Christ Jesus, will be more than just difficult; - it will be dangerous and suffering (guess what) persecution. I think we've both had enough so we will end here. I don't want to persecute you with any more alias's. 1/22/09 7:50 PM John UK  | Wales    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments Lurker wrote: I asked... "Anyone know the new name named by the mouth of our Lord and when it was first adopted?" (Is 62:1-2) And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch. (Acts 11:26) Christians, Scarecrow, not sinners. Thanks to Alias for your post. Thanks Lurker, A Christian - Wa Hey! DJC49, your: "It's an act of self-denial, an act of total commitment to Jesus to be renewed every day. "For whoever wishes to save his life shall lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake (takes up his cross of death unto self for the sake of Christ), he is the one who will save it." [Lk 9:24 ... the very next verse]" Yes, I believe you are right on this, so thanks for posting this up. Now I am off on a long and perilous journey to the Land of Nod. G'night beloved brethren and sisters. 1/22/09 7:06 PM DJC49  | Florida    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments Trial and Trib wrote: No! I disagree with your interpretation. I think you are missing the point of what the cross stood for 2000 years ago, compared with our religious view today. I wonder if you have experienced persecution in your life? specifically for your faith and by spiritual forces? These are "external" to the person whereas committment is intrinsic to the nature of the believer. ______ BTW what does quote, "Mrs. S. S." signify? What you are totally missing is this: "taking up one's cross" is something that the follower of Jesus DOES. It's NOT what is done TO him, i.e., persecution. If anyone wishes to come after Jesus, he is to take up his cross DAILY -- an action done by the follower. It's an act of self-denial, an act of total commitment to Jesus to be renewed every day. "For whoever wishes to save his life shall lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake (takes up his cross of death unto self for the sake of Christ), he is the one who will save it." [Lk 9:24 ... the very next verse] _ And *Mrs. S.S.* is someone who changes her moniker/alias more frequently than SermonAudio changes the number of sermons available for download! 1/22/09 4:25 PM John UK  | Wales    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments That's it. Yes that's it in a nutmeg. What a lovely piece of writing by old Frenchie. Good on yer, bro! And God be with you, too, whoever you are! 1/22/09 4:15 PM Biblion    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments John UK wrote: As I said John; "Scripture, when it treats of justification by faith, leads us in a very different direction. Turning away our view from our own works, it bids us look only to the mercy of God and the perfection of Christ. The order of justification which it sets before us is this: first, God of his mere gratuitous goodness is pleased to embrace the sinner, in whom he sees nothing that can move him to mercy but wretchedness, because he sees him altogether naked and destitute of good works. He, therefore, seeks the cause of kindness in himself, that thus he may affect the sinner by a sense of his goodness, and induce him, in distrust of his own works, to cast himself entirely upon his mercy for salvation. This is the meaning of faith by which the sinner comes into the possession of salvation, when, according to the doctrine of the Gospel, he perceives that he is reconciled by God; when, by the intercession of Christ, he obtains the pardon of his sins, and is justified; and, though renewed by the Spirit of God, considers that, instead of leaning on his own works, he must look solely to the righteousness which is treasured up for him in Christ." John Calvin Institutes of the Christian Religion (3.11.16) God be with you! Amen! 1/22/09 3:36 PM John UK  | Wales    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments Discomfabulated wrote: Now John, naughty.... We are not persecuted for human effort (reason) are we? Matt 5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for RIGHTEOUSNESS' SAKE: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Matt 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, FOR MY SAKE. As I said, if you will stand up for God and righteousness and Jesus Christ you will be persecuted. But armchair Christians will never be persecuted. 1/22/09 3:31 PM Discomfabulated    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments John UK wrote: Just a little comment, Trial n Trib to your: "I wonder if you have experienced persecution in your life? specifically for your faith and by spiritual forces? These are "external" to the person whereas committment is intrinsic to the nature of the believer." I would have thought that without maximum commitment, a believer is unlikely to experience the sort of persecution you mention. Now John, naughty.... We are not persecuted for human effort (reason) are we? Matt 5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for RIGHTEOUSNESS' SAKE: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Matt 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, FOR MY SAKE. 1/22/09 3:23 PM John UK  | Wales    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments Just a little comment, Trial n Trib to your: "I wonder if you have experienced persecution in your life? specifically for your faith and by spiritual forces? These are "external" to the person whereas committment is intrinsic to the nature of the believer." I would have thought that without maximum commitment, a believer is unlikely to experience the sort of persecution you mention. 1/22/09 3:01 PM Trial and Trib    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments DJC49 wrote: One who is willing enough to go to his cross for a cause = the maximum commitment, Mrs. S. S.! That's TRULY denying oneself (read the followup verses of Lk 9:23; Mt 16:24; Mk 8:34) And check out a few commentaries! No! I disagree with your interpretation. I think you are missing the point of what the cross stood for 2000 years ago, compared with our religious view today. I wonder if you have experienced persecution in your life? specifically for your faith and by spiritual forces? These are "external" to the person whereas committment is intrinsic to the nature of the believer. ___________ BTW what does quote, "Mrs. S. S." signify? 1/22/09 10:35 AM DJC49  | Florida    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments Watchman wrote: So, Jesus was elsewhere when He was told that Lazarus was sick, and He stayed a couple of days longer. Then He told His disciples that He was going to Judea, where they knew the Jews wanted to STONE Him. Everyone knew that this would mean DEATH. See John 11:6-8 Now, what did Thomas say to the other disciples when he knew the circumstances that awaited them in Judea? He said, "Let us also go, that we may DIE with Him." John 11:16 That would be "taking up one's cross, and following Jesus." Yup ... that sounds like total commitment and self-denial to me! Thanks for making my point. _ Oh, and BTW, can you imagine that someone here actually thought that "taking up one's cross DAILY" meant that one would experience persecution? Now, ... Persecution might be a related (tangential) issue, but it is NOT the point and thrust of the verse [Luke 9:23]. A list of sermons on Luke 9:23 found here on SermonAudio.com You're welcome, SS! 1/22/09 9:46 AM Watchman    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments DJC49 wrote: One who is willing enough to go to his cross for a cause = the maximum commitment That's TRULY denying oneself (read the followup verses of Lk 9:23; Mt 16:24; Mk 8:34) So, Jesus was elsewhere when He was told that Lazarus was sick, and He stayed a couple of days longer. Then He told His disciples that He was going to Judea, where they knew the Jews wanted to STONE Him. Everyone knew that this would mean DEATH. See John 11:6-8 Now, what did Thomas say to the other disciples when he knew the circumstances that awaited them in Judea? He said, "Let us also go, that we may DIE with Him." John 11:16 That would be "taking up one's cross, and following Jesus." 1/21/09 7:40 PM John UK  | Wales    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments "And he [Jesus] said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it. For what is a man advantaged, if he gain the whole world, and lose himself, or be cast away? For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels." (Luke 9:23-26) It never fails to amaze me that there are people, professing Christians no less, who call themselves elect, or justified by faith, or righteous in themselves, who totally ignore the preaching of Jesus Christ. I guess it's back to the neo-Calvinsm of today, which majors on doctrines, but never takes a full commitment to Christ seriously. "If any man will come after me...." If any would be Christian, if any would be saved, if any would have the smile of heaven, if any would please God, if any would take the side of righteousness, if any would escape the clutches of the devil, if any want an interest in my sacrifice and my ways, if any would not be ashamed at my coming. We must work while it is day......for the night cometh.

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