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Is the 4th commandment binding in the New Covenant?
Created: 2/14/2010 | Last Vote: 3 years ago | Comment: 7 years ago
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 •   Yes, all God's commandments are eternal
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 •   No, but we must to do our best to keep all the commandments
  1% | 1 vote

 •   No, Jesus fulfilled the law and we rest in His righteousness
  27% | 28 votes

 •   Yes, for reasons noted by comment
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Alan H | Washington State  Protected NameGo to homepageFind all comments by Alan H
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"If ever the law was a rule of walking, then it is still a rule of walking: this is clear. Either it is still such a rule, or we must shew the time when, as such, it was abrogated. But no such time can be shewed. If it is said that it was abrogated in the time of the Gospel by Christ and His apostles, we reply that no such thing can be proved. It was not so abrogated at that time. If Christ and His apostles commanded the same things which the law required, and forbade and condemned the same things which the law forbade and condemned, then they did not abrogate it but strengthened and confirmed it. And this is what they did: see Matt. 5:19 'He that breaketh one of the least of these commandments, and teacheth men so, shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven; but he that shall teach and observe them shall be called (not legal preachers, but) great in the kingdom of heaven.'"

THE MORAL LAW A RULE OF OBEDIENCE by Samuel Bolton

See the entire book at:

True Bounds of Christian Freedom by Samuel Bolton

This excellent book deals mainly with the Christian's relationship to the law of God.


Survey5/27/10 3:58 PM
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If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. John 15:10

Survey5/27/10 2:23 PM
watchman | Nashville  Contact via emailFind all comments by watchman
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Romans 4:15

Survey4/14/10 7:29 AM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
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Alan H wrote:
"Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law." Ro 3:31
This verse sounds somewhat threatening, as if the believer were put back under the same obligation, but really what it is saying is this:
There is no salvation where the law is not fulfilled. You can test whether someone is really teaching the Gospel or not by this token. Is the law fulfilled? Can we fulfill it? The Law demands absolute perfection. So NO! We cannot establish the law, because our best works are imperfect and even sinful. But Christ has fulfilled both the Law's precepts and its penalty perfectly. By faith this is imputed to the believer. Only in this way, is the law established.
"The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness’ sake; he will magnify the law, and make [it] honourable.
Amen and Amen bro

The imputed righteousness of Christ to the believer and the laws of God which reveal his character are both very wonderful things.

I am thankful for the imputation, without which I should have to perish in my sins....

And thankful for God's revelation of his laws, which show me how to live....


Survey4/12/10 10:40 PM
Alan H | Washington State  Protected NameGo to homepageFind all comments by Alan H
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John UK wrote:
But I'm grateful the law cannot now say to me, "You disobey, you perish!"
John!

It is very clear that the Law cannot threaten the believer in such a manner. And for this reason, both its precepts and its penalty have been fulfilled in Christ on behalf of the Saints. The Law, in a sense, rests satisfied, even as a creditor whose loan has been paid back in full. Its curse is completely removed for the believer.

"Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law." Ro 3:31

This verse sounds somewhat threatening, as if the believer were put back under the same obligation, but really what it is saying is this:

There is no salvation where the law is not fulfilled. You can test whether someone is really teaching the Gospel or not by this token. Is the law fulfilled? Can we fulfill it? The Law demands absolute perfection. So NO! We cannot establish the law, because our best works are imperfect and even sinful. But Christ has fulfilled both the Law's precepts and its penalty perfectly. By faith this is imputed to the believer. Only in this way, is the law established.

"The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness’ sake; he will magnify the law, and make [it] honourable.


Survey4/11/10 4:57 AM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
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Of angels this is said to be the highest felicity, that “they do His commandments , hearkening unto the voice of His word” (Psa 103:20); just as of those from whom the Lord has “removed transgression as far as
the east is from the west,” it is said that “they remember His commandments to do them” (Psa 103:12,18).
But if this theory of the total disjunction of the law from believers be true, then angels must be in bondage, and they also to whom Paul refers as specimens of the blessed men whose transgressions are forgiven by the imputation of “righteousness without works” (Rom 4:6). To unforgiven men law is bondage; but is it so to the forgiven? Do pardoned men hate or love it? Do they dread it or delight in it? Do they disobey it or obey it? Do they dismiss it from their thoughts and consciences, or do they make it their “meditation all the day”?
Bonar on 'The Saint and the Law'

I rather think that this article originally posted by Alan H is most helpful in unravelling this dilemma.

I also think that the law is far deeper than we can imagine, and we need the Spirit's guidance even to understand "Thou shalt not steal."

But I'm grateful the law cannot now say to me, "You disobey, you perish!"


Survey4/3/10 4:14 PM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
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Alan H wrote:
John, I don't think you are a recent convert to Christ, so for you to say you are undecided in something this important seems to indicate a problem. If you keep wavering you will probably choose the wrong way because you will be left to rely upon your own means. James 1:5-7
Thank you brother Alan, for your genuine concern, grace and humility.

Lest you wear yourself with concern, let me immediately say that since I discovered a preaching-station which went under the name of a "church" it has seemed to me perfectly reasonable to spend Sundays as a day of rest and an opportunity to hear good preaching in the power of the Holy Ghost and to enjoy fellowship, speaking to others of so great salvation, and praying together, as well as taking my turn at security duty outside the church to prevent persecutors from damaging cars, as also Bible Study with friends, being filled with the Spirit for the week ahead.....oh a special day all right.

And like you, I really hope Lurker makes a comeback and speaks his mind about what he believes without fear of chastisement or reprisals or the pouring of scorn like what I sometimes have to put up wiv.


Survey4/3/10 3:03 PM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
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Mike wrote:
There's no sugar in genuine easter eggs, John. But you only get genuine easter eggs from genuine easter bunnies.
What is mousy milk?
Thank you Mike?

Mousy milk is that which comes from mouse.

Old McDonald wrote:
'ere moite
ows does ya milk a mouse???
Precisely, ol' bean!

Pigs could be milked, eh? So why don't they sell us pig's milk? Not cost effective! If pigs were bigger than cows, the milk in our supermarkets would be pig's milk. Now do you see, me ol' shortcake?


Survey4/3/10 2:12 PM
Alan H | Washington State  Protected NameGo to homepageFind all comments by Alan H
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John UK wrote:
I still haven't cast my vote on this survey yet, simply because I haven't reached any firm conclusion about it.
I cannot help but think that my ol' Baptist buddy Lurker has got closer than anyone else posting. But Lurker, I do wish you would post in lingo more suited to turnips like what I am.
This is no small issue. I cannot help but feel that the church in general does not lead its membership further into freedom and liberty (in the biblical sense) but rather into deeper and deeper enslavement. Maybe I'm totally wrong, but I cannot help feeling what I'm feeling, now can I?
And no, I do NOT celebrate Easter nor Passover!
John, I don't think you are a recent convert to Christ, so for you to say you are undecided in something this important seems to indicate a problem. If you keep wavering you will probably choose the wrong way because you will be left to rely upon your own means. James 1:5-7

As far as I have seen, Lurker has never been very clear in what he really believes regarding this topic. I think he has written me off as a heretic, but one of the things which frustrates me most is his want of simplicity and exactness. Sometimes it would be better if we just said, "This is what I believe..." PERIOD!


Survey4/3/10 2:08 PM
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John UK wrote:
Ever wondered why the Milk Marketing Board doesn't recommend the use of mousy milk?
'ere moite
ows does ya milk a mouse???

Survey4/3/10 1:52 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
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John UK wrote:
Now this is more like the plain speech I can dig. Why can't the ol' Lurker write like that?
And no, I do NOT want want any Easter eggs, thank you very much. Sugar weakens the immune system, and if you have enough of it, the immune system will be knocked out for a day or more.
And drinking milk designed by God for baby cows is a surefire way of getting ill. Ever wondered why the Milk Marketing Board doesn't recommend the use of mousy milk?
Answers on a postcard please, and send to the MMB or the GUV.
Sock it to 'em, Fertilizer!
There's no sugar in genuine easter eggs, John. But you only get genuine easter eggs from genuine easter bunnies.

What is mousy milk?


Survey4/3/10 12:31 PM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
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Turnip Fertilizer wrote:
Christian Sunday, the Lord's Day, the day of rest (Sabbath) is the day before monday John.
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No easter eggs for you m'Lad.
Now this is more like the plain speech I can dig. Why can't the ol' Lurker write like that?

And no, I do NOT want want any Easter eggs, thank you very much. Sugar weakens the immune system, and if you have enough of it, the immune system will be knocked out for a day or more.

And drinking milk designed by God for baby cows is a surefire way of getting ill. Ever wondered why the Milk Marketing Board doesn't recommend the use of mousy milk?

Answers on a postcard please, and send to the MMB or the GUV.

Sock it to 'em, Fertilizer!


Survey4/3/10 10:44 AM
Turnip Fertilizer  Find all comments by Turnip Fertilizer
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John UK wrote:
I still haven't cast my vote on this survey yet, simply because I haven't reached any firm conclusion about it.
I cannot help but think that my ol' Baptist buddy Lurker has got closer than anyone else posting. But Lurker, I do wish you would post in lingo more suited to turnips like what I am.
This is no small issue. I cannot help but feel that the church in general does not lead its membership further into freedom and liberty (in the biblical sense) but rather into deeper and deeper enslavement. Maybe I'm totally wrong, but I cannot help feeling what I'm feeling, now can I?
Christian Sunday, the Lord's Day, the day of rest (Sabbath) is the day before monday John.
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No easter eggs for you m'Lad.

Survey4/3/10 10:16 AM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
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I still haven't cast my vote on this survey yet, simply because I haven't reached any firm conclusion about it.

I cannot help but think that my ol' Baptist buddy Lurker has got closer than anyone else posting. But Lurker, I do wish you would post in lingo more suited to turnips like what I am.

This is no small issue. I cannot help but feel that the church in general does not lead its membership further into freedom and liberty (in the biblical sense) but rather into deeper and deeper enslavement. Maybe I'm totally wrong, but I cannot help feeling what I'm feeling, now can I?

And no, I do NOT celebrate Easter nor Passover!


Survey3/28/10 1:00 AM
Alan H | Washington State  Protected NameGo to homepageFind all comments by Alan H
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John Yurich USA wrote:
No the Fourth Commandment about the Sabbath is not binding on the New Covenant because Jesus did not keep the Sabbath and because Jesus Resurrection took place on Sunday and Pentecost took place on Sunday. And thus both Jesus and the Holy Spirit done away with the Sabbath. Sunday is the Lord's Day.
John Yurich USA,

If Jesus did not keep the Sabbath then He was a sinner, for He said Himself,

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." Mt 5:17-19

"But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons." Ga 4:4-5

You are accusing Him of the same thing as the Pharisees did. No! He fulfilled "the covenant of works" entirely, including the Sabbath.


Survey3/27/10 8:03 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
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No the Fourth Commandment about the Sabbath is not binding on the New Covenant because Jesus did not keep the Sabbath and because Jesus Resurrection took place on Sunday and Pentecost took place on Sunday. And thus both Jesus and the Holy Spirit done away with the Sabbath. Sunday is the Lord's Day.

Survey3/23/10 11:43 AM
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"Some would have it that, although the moral law is imperative in itself, it is not so to the believer. Regenerated by the Spirit of God, the law is the law of his heart; and now he needs no outward commandment to rule and bind and obligate him. Inward principle moves him spontaneously, and external imperative law is removed. Is it so? Was it so with the first Adam or with the second Adam, either of them? And they are the two representative men of the race.

How was it with the second Adam? All God’s law was in His heart. It operated there as an inward principle of grace, acted in Him by the Spirit of holiness, who was immeasurably His. Surely if anyone might have dispensed with strict, imperative, authoritative law and commandment, He might. “I delight to do Thy will, O My God; yea, Thy law is within My heart.” Was no commandment therefore laid upon, no obedience ordained, unto Him? Or did He complain if there was? No, I hear him specially rejoicing in it. Every word He uttered, every work He did, was by commandment, and I hear Him rejoicing that it was so: “My Father which sent Me, He gave Me a commandment what I should say and what I should speak. . . . Whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak" (Rev Hugh Martin)


Survey3/16/10 12:36 AM
Alan H | Washington State  Protected NameGo to homepageFind all comments by Alan H
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I find it quite interesting that Christ established the ordinance of the Lord's Supper, which was in commemoration of His death, identifying this ceremony with the beginning of the New Testament (Covenant). He used those very words in all three Synoptic Gospels. But the important thing to remember is that He did this directly after the Passover supper was celebrated, which seemed mostly to concern His betrayal by Judas Iscariot. There was an obvious transition between the first Passover and the fulfillment of the type.

Christians do not celebrate the Passover, but they celebrate "the Lord's Supper" regularly, which I mentioned to John UK, is closely related to phrase "the Lord's day" in Revelation 1:10. I have created a page with a parallel account of the Passover and the Lord's Supper for anyone interested. I believe, as many have before me, that the typical ordinance of the Passover was disannulled by this event. If Jesus Christ changed the Passover, why should it be thought strange if He also changed the Sabbath as well? After all, He didn't arise from the dead on the Sabbath. Should we not commemorate His resurrection on the day He arose?

Transition from the Passover to the Lord’s Supper


Survey3/14/10 6:49 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
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wrought wrote:
John. This is what may be termed a sensible view of the Christian Sabbath For your worthy perusal sir.
You are too kind, my dear fellow.

I have got so far, and is now bookmarked for future perusal; it is very interesting. But...

This quotation from the WCF

"The Sabbath is then kept holy unto the Lord when men, after a due preparing of their hearts and ordering of their common affairs beforehand, do not only observe an holy rest all the day from their own works, words and thoughts about their worldly employments and recreations, but also are taken up the whole time in the public and private exercises of his worship and in the duties of necessity and mercy."

Impossible....unless you count a walk along the beach at low tide, or doing a crossword puzzle or having a kip.

Is this Sabbath designed to bless me or shackle me to continuous Bible study and the singing of God's worship? Is there any "rest" in that, brother? If I attempted it, I'd be exhausted by midday.


Survey3/14/10 5:38 PM
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John UK wrote:
Wrought, you should know that there is no such thing as a Christian Sabbath, but I apppreciate your kind words,
John. This is what may be termed a sensible view of the Christian Sabbath For your worthy perusal sir.

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