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Does the Roman Catholic Church falsely worship a different Jesus? Created: 8/27/2009 | Last Vote: 3 hours ago | Comment: 25 days ago

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10/27/09 7:40 PM WayneM  | northwest B.C.    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments DisplacedMaritimer(Bert) wrote: Yes, God is completely soverign. However, He decided, for whatever reason, to give us free will. He wants us all to be saved but He will not impose His will on anyone. Bert, We must not confuse "free will" with "ability". Before the fall, man was free to do good or evil and could do either. But after the fall he could do only evil. So although he has free will, he does not have the ability to do good. With the entrance of sin into the world, he lost the ability to do good, but can only do evil continually. "And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually." Genesis 6:5 "And the Lord smelled a sweet savour; and the Lord said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done." Genesis 8:21 (after the flood) Sinful man cannot do anything to cause his deliverance or redemption. "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day." John 6:44 10/27/09 4:23 PM Michael Hranek  | Endicott, New York    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments John UK wrote: #1 Let me tell you Michael what I believe about this. The more a person gets closer to God himself (in actuality, I mean) the less he will consider his 'own' repentance and faith. Indeed, he will disown them as regards any merit. He would flee from them both to Christ, who alone can save. Without God predestinating me, I would be lost forever, for in me dwelleth no good thing. Secondly, distortion. I don't think I mistake 'who' God is. Any distortion would be concerning his character. Such distortion can be arrived at through reading the Bible, as well as literature, either reformed or arminist. And yes, I do believe there is need to repent. And I believe there is need for someone to show forth the character of God in their life. After all, this is what Christianity is about, eh? But how I fail! Jesus did it perfectly! John UK Thanks for the post back. Something may be a matter of perspective or growth. I've heard the closer one gets to God who is truly good, HOLY and worthy of praise, the more he or she would see their own wretched sinfulness (nothing good in the flesh is there). 10/27/09 10:18 AM DisplacedMaritimer(Bert)    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments WayneM wrote: Bert, Let me ask, do you think God is completely sovereign? If God is in complete control and "wanted" everyone to be saved, how could His will be thwarted? If God is completely sovereign, how would be possible for anyone to not be saved if He "willed" that every single person be saved? After all, is God in control of the world or is He not? Doesn't the Bible teach God is omnipotent? Yes, God is completely soverign. However, He decided, for whatever reason, to give us free will. He wants us all to be saved but He will not impose His will on anyone. Look at Moses and Mary. In both cases, God *asked* them to do something. He did not force them to. In the case of Moses, His request was refused for quite a while before Moses agreed to do as God asked. Mary agreed right away but it was *her* decision. God could just as easily impregnated Mary and said "tough noogies" if she complained. Instead, God, the One True God, the God of the entire Universe, the Soverign King of all Creation asked one of His creations for *permission* to have her become His Son's mother. 10/27/09 7:13 AM John UK  | Wales    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments Michael Hranek wrote: And with Calvinists/Reformed repentance and faith aren't quite good enough to them they need Predestination (their version of it that is)....... So are you all Calvinists/Reformed committing the same kind of sin the RCC is infamous for in distorting who God is to fit your own religious beliefs? Do you need to repent? Think about it. #1 Let me tell you Michael what I believe about this. The more a person gets closer to God himself (in actuality, I mean) the less he will consider his 'own' repentance and faith. Indeed, he will disown them as regards any merit. He would flee from them both to Christ, who alone can save. Without God predestinating me, I would be lost forever, for in me dwelleth no good thing. Secondly, distortion. I don't think I mistake 'who' God is. Any distortion would be concerning his character. Such distortion can be arrived at through reading the Bible, as well as literature, either reformed or arminist. And yes, I do believe there is need to repent. And I believe there is need for someone to show forth the character of God in their life. After all, this is what Christianity is about, eh? But how I fail! Jesus did it perfectly! 10/27/09 5:36 AM Michael Hranek  | Endicott, New York    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments Just a consideration: Are Calvinists (and the Reformed) immune from following what the RCC has done in making for themselves a "god" they call God in the image they want God to be? Essentially less than, more than, different from who God Himeself in Scripture shows Himself to be with a "gospel" subtly different from what was preached in the Book of Acts and taught in the Epistles. Kind of like with Catholics Jesus isn't quite good enought they need "Mary" the Queen of Heaven. And with Calvinists/Reformed repentance and faith aren't quite good enought to them they need Predesination (their version of it that is). Come on, come on, didn't the Apostle John tell believers to guard themselves from idols? Why would the Spirit have moved him to ever write such a thing to us except that believers need to guard ourselves from idols both different gods and making God Himself out to be who we want Him to be to fit our own desires and agenda etc. So are you all Calvinists/Reformed committing the same kind of sin the RCC is infamous for in distorting who God is to fit your own religious beliefs? Do you need to repent? Think about it. 10/26/09 11:54 PM WayneM  | northwest B.C.    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments DisplacedMaritimer(Bert) wrote: opened eyes, Sorry, I got side tracked on a bunch of things To answer your questions: John 6:37 means exactly what it says: Jesus will not reject anyone who turns to Him. I think it says something further, though. It implies - to me at least - that the Father wants *everyone* to have eternal life. Bert, Let me ask, do you think God is completely sovereign? If God is in complete control and "wanted" everyone to be saved, how could His will be thwarted? If God is completely sovereign, how would be possible for anyone to not be saved if He "willed" that every single person be saved? After all, is God in control of the world or is He not? Doesn't the Bible teach God is omnipotent? 10/26/09 10:14 PM DisplacedMaritimer(Bert)    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments opened eyes, Sorry, I got side tracked on a bunch of things To answer your questions: John 6:37 means exactly what it says: Jesus will not reject anyone who turns to Him. I think it says something further, though. It implies - to me at least - that the Father wants *everyone* to have eternal life. Since Jesus will reject no one, He is saying that *anyone* who turns to Him will be saved. John 3:16 - Basically the same as 6:37. John 10:28 - Ditto. John 6:28,29 - This means that salvation is through Faith and Works. Since true Faith requires labor on our part, it is a Work of God. Phil 1:6 - The Work that God started in us will be finished by Him. 10/13/09 8:26 AM Opened eyes    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments DisplacedMaritimer (Bert) opened eyes, I'm not 100% sure. Sadly Bert if you are not 100% sure about God's Truth then it can be a dangerous position. Eternal life or Eternal death-can we be 100% certain and know? a) we possess eternal life in the present tense b) that you shall never perish The 'born-again' Bible believer 1) has passed from death unto life and shall not come into condemnation and has (present tense) eternal life. John 5.24 2) The believer has eternal life John 6: 47 3) shall never perish John 10: 26-28 4) KNOWS 100% that he HAS eternal life-see Romans 8: 16 and I John 5: 13 See Bert if you are not 100% certain then your foundation is questionable for you can not place your confidence fully on the solid rock that is Christ and fully trust His word. The Lord Jesus says you can know 100% that you will never perish and that you have eternal life. You do not know 100% do you Bert and of course your Papal religion is your crumbling foundation which teaches you that you can lose what you never even possessed What does John 6: 37 mean Bert? John 3:16, 10: 28 'should **not perish** '**never perish**' 'I will in no wise cast out' ***John 6: 28, 29*** ***Philippians 1: 6*** 10/13/09 3:58 AM John UK  | Wales    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments Bert, ye do err... These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. John 17:1-3 KJV Eternal life is GIVEN to as many as God has given to Jesus - Not ALL. And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. 1 John 5:11-13 KJV Certain entered not in because of unbelief. This is key! But where does belief come from? It is the gift of God to a totally depraved sinner, who is incapable of attaining heaven by his own efforts. I believe in the finished work of Christ, therefore I have eternal life, simple. I didn't say that Judas was chosen unto salvation, did I? [LTRU] Know God - Life of Prayer without ceasing! 10/12/09 9:32 PM Lurker  | USA    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments DisplacedMaritimer (Bert) wrote: Lurker, What do you mean by "why do you stand in jeopardy every hour?"? In jeopardy of shame and everlasting contempt (Dan 12:1); everlasting burnings (Is 33:14); their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched (Is 66:24): the second death; the lake of fire and brimstone (Rev 21:8). 10/12/09 6:02 PM Michael Hranek  | Endicott, New York    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments DisplacedMaritimer (Bert) wrote: For 1600 years, the Catholic Church was the very definition of Christianity and you now expect me to accept someone else's definition? Bert Seems you have forgotten the real Jesus. He told us, "You must be born again." That is "intimate" in His definition of what it means to be a true Christian, truly born of the Spirit of God (something far more than sprinkled in a religious ritual), a true sheep (not a goat), a disciple (not a religious pretender) who has eternal life and can have assurance he or she will indeed make it entirely by the grace (the provision, the gift) of God. 10/12/09 5:45 PM DisplacedMaritimer (Bert)  | Edmonton, AB    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments Lurker, What do you mean by "why do you stand in jeopardy every hour?"? John, #1 We are *all* chosen for salvation. Not everyone makes it, though. #2 But, you can't know for certain that you are saved yet. You have no idea what the future holds. #3 I was just asking why bother doing anything like praying is you are gauranteed entry into Heaven? #4 So, it is possible to lose your guaranteed ticket into Heaven? opened eyes, I'm not 100% sure. It seems to me that just because someone is ordained for something, it does not necessarily follow that they will actually attain that which was ordained. Jim, For 1600 years, the Catholic Church was the very definition of Christianity and you now expect me to accept someone else's definition? The Catholic Church is the most Christian organization on the face of the earth. 10/11/09 4:11 PM Jim Lincoln  | Nebraska    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments John Y., you are aiding and abetting the Papist Church, if you are not handing out pamphlets, such as Is A Catholic Christian An Oxymoron?, and discussing it with friends and family. I Corinthians 5 11 But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he should be an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler-- not even to eat with such a one. I John 5 21 Little children, guard yourselves from idols. ---NASB You are supporting an anti-Christian assembly, so, Come out of the Catholic Church which you should not only read yourself but give to your family and friends, if they don't want to be anti-Christian. So, you are appearing to support something that you say you don't, and corrupting others by the example, and you are not in a decent church contributing to a body of believers. 10/11/09 8:27 AM Opened eyes    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments 'And the Gentiles hearing it, were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to life everlasting, believed.' Douay-Rheims Acts 13. 48 Bert What does THIS MEAN : as many as were ordained to life everlasting, believed. I guess you would like it to read: many who believed were then consequently ordained to eternal life see 10/11/09 7:45 AM John UK  | Wales    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments DisplacedMaritimer (Bert) wrote: John, How do you know who God has chosen and who He hasn't? How do you know if you are a chosen one? Why bother praying if you are already chosen? Was Judas a chosen one? #1 How did Paul know: But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: 2 Thessalonians 2:13 KJV #2 How do I know? And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. Galatians 4:6 KJV In whom [CHRIST] ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed [IN CHRIST], ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest [GUARANTEE] of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. Ephesians 1:13-14 KJV #3 You might just as well ask why bother talking to your wife. Besides, true prayer is the Spirit's burden within the heart of a Christian. #4 Yes. [LTRU] 10/11/09 12:11 AM Lurker  | USA    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments DisplacedMaritimer (Bert) wrote: Lurker, I tried to find a translation that included "James" in Gal 2:18 but couldn't. My apology. The verse I meant to quote is Gal 2:12. DisplacedMaritimer (Bert) wrote: The Works the Catholic Church says are necessary are Works of the Heart, not of the Law. You mean this heart? A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. (Ezek 36:26-27) This is the fulfillment of the Lord's promise before Israel entered the Promised Land and the first great commandment: And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed to LOVE THE LORD THY GOD WITH ALL THY HEART AND WITH ALL THY SOUL that thou mayest live.(Deut 30:6) This is the law of faith whereby the justified shall live.(Rom 1:17) And the second is like unto it, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR AS THYSELF. (Matt 22:39) This is the ordained good work wrought by God in us. (Is 26:12) If God is working this work in you; why do you stand in jeopardy every hour? 10/10/09 11:47 PM DisplacedMaritimer (Bert)  | Edmonton, AB    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments Greenfields, If you wish to refer to a miracle as "Superstition and RC magic????" go ahead. That doesn't change the fact that Jesus said "Take. This is my body". The Catholic Church changed nothing. 10/10/09 9:38 PM DisplacedMaritimer (Bert)  | Edmonton, AB    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments Fearing God, a) That is what it says in Sacred Scripture. If you have a problem with that, take it up with God. b) You haven't got clue 1 about the Catholic Church. John, How do you know who God has chosen and who He hasn't? How do you know if you are a chosen one? Why bother praying if you are already chosen? Was Judas a chosen one? Lurker, I tried to find a translation that included "James" in Gal 2:18 but couldn't. Regardless, I went back through Galatians to refresh my memory and found that it does not contradict the position I have been arguing. In Galatians, Paul, a Jew, is talking to Peter, Barnabas and the rest, all Jews, about the necessity for Gentiles to abide by the Law of Moses. Every time the word "Works" is used, it is used with the phrase "of the law". So, in Galatians, Paul is contrasting the old Covenant with the new one. The old one is based upon the Law and the new one on Faith. Paul argues that if you have Faith, you do not have to abide by or perform any works of the law. The Works the Catholic Church says are necessary are Works of the Heart, not of the Law. We are no longer bound by that Law - Jesus freed us. 10/10/09 6:57 PM John Yurich USA  | USA    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments Jim Lincoln wrote: John Y., why do you think "aiding and abetting" a false church makes you a Christian? So far you have not displayed the Marks of the True Believer if you had or want to, you would Come out of the Catholic Church. It is only in your warped mind that I am "aiding and abetting" the RCC's false doctrines. How can I possibly be "aiding and abetting" the RCC's false doctrines if I have totally repudiated and rejected all the RCC's false doctrines? Just because I am still attending the RCC after becoming Born Again does not indicate that I am not really Born Again. If I have totally repudiated and rejected all the RCC's false doctrines and false parts to the Mass, adhere only to the scriptural RCC doctrines and participate only in the scriptural parts to the Mass then I still in good standing with Jesus and will go to Heaven when I pass away. Just why do you believe that everybody who becomes Born Again must belong to an Evangelical Protestant Church or else they will in no way gain entrance into Heaven? Do you actually believe that when everybody stands before Jesus that He will require for entrance into Heaven that everybody had belonged to an Evangelical Protestant Church in addition to having received Him as Savior? 10/10/09 9:26 AM Greenfields    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments DisplacedMaritimer (Bert) wrote: No man changes a biscuit into human/divine flesh. That honor belongs to the Holy Spirit. The Priest requests God to perform the Transubstantiation through the power of His Holy Spirit. Superstition and RC magic???? I thought these had disappeared centuries ago. Jesus stood in the presence of the Apostles and gave them ordinary bread to eat and told them to do THIS in memory of Him. Jesus did NOT turn Himself into a WAFER and feed THAT to the Apostles. Surely common sense teaches YOU that simple fact Bert!! Therefore WHY change the Bible facts into this RCC fable??? 2Tim 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto FABLES."

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