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Blog7/6/09 8:53 AM
Mike from New York  Find all comments by Mike
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The love of money is surely a root of evil, Wayne. Just not all evil.

"The Love of Money? The root to the bad fruit? Obviously money gives the first opportunity to buy a prostitute (maybe not an evil thought until money was readily available in a big fat wallet), the lust follows as does the adultery."

If this were true, poor folk would never do evil. Evil begins in the heart, not in the wallet. One does not need a fat wallet to look upon a woman with lust, which Jesus called adultery.


Blog7/6/09 5:55 AM
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To name a few- adultery/lust, taking the name of God in vain, making/worshipping false gods, bearing false witness for starters. None of these evils have as motivation love of money, thus love of money is not the root of these evils.#####

Hi Mike

Like the scripture 'Out of the heart proceeds evil thoughts, murders adulteries etc

Can there be 'murder' without the evil thought first? Interesting the Lord Jesus begins with 'evil thoughts' and obviously the heart is where evil begins and the thoughts lead to even greater evil fruit.

The Love of Money? The root to the bad fruit? Obviously money gives the first opportunity to buy a prostitute (maybe not an evil thought until money was readily available in a big fat wallet), the lust follows as does the adultery. Money buys it all- gives the opportunity. How many Hollywood actors would sell their soul for money? All manner of blasphemy and taking the Lord's name in vain to follow in their films? Isn't money (Gold) a false god and worshipped and then the ruin of nations?

Just plucked one sinners ode to 'the love of money' out of many with that song title-sadly interesting

http://www.6lyrics.com/music/willie_da_kid/lyrics/love_for_money.aspx


Blog7/6/09 2:45 AM
Jason Robert Schuiling from Pacific Northwest  Go to homepageFind all comments by Jason Robert Schuiling
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I'm afraid that this sort of outlandish speculation and contrivance is far too below the sound mind of a Reformed minister. Let us leave the unbelieving world to their folly and hold fast to the Word of Truth.

Blog7/5/09 6:53 PM
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Wayne,

"Q: In context...What evil or sins will not men be drawn to by the love of money?"

To name a few- adultery/lust, taking the name of God in vain, making/worshipping false gods, bearing false witness for starters. None of these evils have as motivation love of money, thus love of money is not the root of these evils.

John, I do appreciate you for your concern. Yet I must say where I place my faith is in the Lord Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Spirit's revealing of the meaning of the word of God. I will continue to avoid making of a version of the Bible into an idol, but will continue to use the AV in the discussions so as to not offend others.

1 Tim 6:10 "money" from Strongs: 5365.philaguria, from 5366; avarice-love of money
5366.philarguros, from 5384 and 696; fond of silver(money)

avarice(the Free Dictionary): extreme greed for wealth.


Blog7/5/09 6:14 PM
John UK from Wales  Find all comments by John UK
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For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
1 Timothy 6:10 KJV

This is a correct translation.

Mike, here is something I would recommend you try, if you would increase your faith in the Bible, as you obviously have difficulty with that. I say this as a friend, eh?

Ask the Lord to reveal to you the meaning of the word 'money' in the text. If he shows you what he showed me, you'll have perfect peace about it, and come over to the KJV with ne'er a word more needing to be said.

After all, you ask the Lord for help as you read the Bible, don't you? Just be more specific about this one word.


Blog7/5/09 6:06 PM
Mike from New York  Find all comments by Mike
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"You don't force scripture to your doctrine, you forge your doctrine from scripture."

"For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows."
1 Timothy 6:10 KJV

This is a correct translation."

Now bro, if this is a correct translation, and you believe what it says to be true, you have to believe what is false is somehow true, for the love of money is not the root of all evil. What should we say then? Since we agree that we cannot force Scripture to say what it does not say, is it a correct translation of a text error, or is it an incorrect tranlation of a correct text?


Blog7/5/09 5:58 PM
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For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
1 Timothy 6:10 KJV

Mike

Q: In context...What evil or sins will not men be drawn to by the love of money?

It was the sin of Judas, and the root of all his iniquity


Blog7/5/09 5:41 PM
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But John, my response was to the issue of whether the deity of Christ was denied in the NIV. But if the text issue is more important than the deity issue, the text that leaves out God in Rev 1:8 obviously shows deity less clearly than the one that includes it. And deity was the subject brought up.

Okay Mike, well you said that the KJV left out the word 'God' in Rev 1:8, and I said that the word 'God' is not in the original greek text. You don't force scripture to your doctrine, you forge your doctrine from scripture.

For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
1 Timothy 6:10 KJV

This is a correct translation.


Blog7/5/09 5:28 PM
Mike from New York  Find all comments by Mike
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"It is not the KJV that is the issue, but the TEXTS that Bibles are translated from.

For eg the Rev 1:8 you quoted, the text does not have God in it."

But John, my response was to the issue of whether the deity of Christ was denied in the NIV. But if the text issue is more important than the deity issue, the text that leaves out God in Rev 1:8 obviously shows deity less clearly than the one that includes it. And deity was the subject brought up.

In any case, it isn't an issue for me. That's why I use the KJV in discussions on SA. It keeps from getting sidetracked into pointless version stuff.

But just for fun,

1 Timothy 6:10 KJV
"For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows."

Since the love of money is not the root of ALL evil, what might we conclude?


Blog7/5/09 2:15 PM
Wayne  Find all comments by Wayne
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http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/deity.htm

Phil 2.6 AND Rev 1: 8 and 11

Mike I haven't time to write in detail but check out the above site and texts and compare the NIV with the NWT and then the KJV

Don't forget I Timothy 3: 16


Blog7/5/09 2:09 PM
John UK from Wales  Find all comments by John UK
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"p.s. The JW's just love the NIV, because it denies the deity of Christ."

Actually, the NIV doesn't deny the deity of Christ, and sometimes emphasizes it better:

Actually Mike, the NIV does deny the deity of Christ. Think about it, bro. If you wanted to create a Bible which subtly creeps in unawares, and fools the Christian into believing it, even though it denies the deity of Christ, how would you do it? You start changing one or two verses only. The NWT is denied by the whole of evangelical Christendom because it was too obvious. But I assure you that the NIV will be shown in the history of the world to be one more stepping stone for Satan to infiltrate the churches, and desensitise them to what is coming next. Remember that the NIV has gone through several phases already, and in a few years time, you will see Bibles which are more blatantly heretical. Trouble is, who will notice it? Many folks are on the slippery slope already, and those who say we can have God's Word in our hand are continually being poo-poo'd by the devil's advocates, including me at one time. Thankfully I woke up and realised what was happening.

It is not the KJV that is the issue, but the TEXTS that Bibles are translated from.

For eg the Rev 1:8 you quoted, the text does not have God in it.


Blog7/5/09 1:47 PM
Mike from New York  Find all comments by Mike
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"p.s. The JW's just love the NIV, because it denies the deity of Christ."

Actually, the NIV doesn't deny the deity of Christ, and sometimes emphasizes it better:

John 20:28- "Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!"

John 8:58- "I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"

Rev. 1:8- "I am the Alpha and the Omega" says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty." (Note-AV omits "God")

Titus 2:13- "while we wait for the blessed hope-the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ," (Note how this makes unmistakeably clear the deity of Christ, compared to AV which says "the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ")

2 Peter 1:1- "Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who throught the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours."
(note the better clarity of the deity of Christ here also, compared to AV which says "..the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:"

Question- Is the power of the Holy Spirit limited to a version in order that God's meaning might be understood?


Blog7/5/09 11:17 AM
John UK from Wales  Find all comments by John UK
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So Rik

You used to be happy with the King James until you read this James White article, and now you have far less faith in God's word than you had previously. Man, that's progress! In the wrong direction!

Or has this Mr White recommended a Bible which is accurate through and through? Or, reading between the lines of your post, you now need half a dozen Bibles to study, and hopefully, you might just find God's word in one of them, which you can trust.

Mr White and myself are just fallible men, so if you are willing to listen to one, listen to another.

The King James Bible, known here as the Authorized Version, is the most accurate version of the scriptures in English, and if you follow it you will never end up with false doctrine, because the text it is translated from is the Received Text, which means it is the text received by the church in all ages. All other Bibles use other texts such as Vaticanus and Sinaiticus, and are easily proved to be spurious because of the false doctrines they promote.

p.s. The JW's just love the NIV, because it denies the deity of Christ.


Blog7/5/09 11:11 AM
wayne from uk  Find all comments by wayne
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rlk

Doesn't James White believe I Timothy 3: 16 should contain the word 'God'? You will find he does indeed.

Now please can you explain why most new versions omitt 'God' in that verse?

I studied with the Watchtower Society and know they abandoned the KJV as it certainly does bring out the deity of Christ like no other bible...consider why they abandoned it for their NWT!

BTW i was offered a NWT in my indoctrinisation studies with the Watchtower but God put it into my heart to decline. I went home and my wife greeted me with these words: I have just been spring cleaning and found my unopened 'christening' bible all dusty (KJV)!

In God's provision I was brought under conviction by that one scripture I Timothy 3: 16 on the deity of Christ having been indoctrinated that Christ was the archangel Michael. Now can you understand why I won't use any version that omitts 'God' in that scripture?

Abandon the kjv if you so wish but you'll find it is proved as a Holy Spirit blessed accurate English translation and the word of God used in all the major revivals. Not bad for such a woeful translation

Can you say the same of the NIV as one example-now the bible of ecumenism but once championed by evangelical scholars as the new best thing?


Blog7/5/09 11:00 AM
rlk from Tennessee  Find all comments by rlk
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The verse I was referring to in the previous post concerning Erasmus' challenge is 1st John 5:7.
By the way, I used to be KJV-Only so I understand the mindset that relies on needing to believe God's preservation method is via a translation. James White's book, however, gives another view of preservation which for me is a much better foundation than the "through a translation" method.

Blog7/5/09 10:43 AM
rlk from Tennessee  Find all comments by rlk
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I just read "The King James Only Controversy" 2nd Printing - 2009 by James White. No other book has ever excited me so much in describing how God has preserved his Word. Every church member should be given the book and even if you are in the KJV-Only camp you should be secure enough to handle the challenges the book presents.
The book gave me concern as to how the KJV does not bring out Christ's deity as clear compared to other versions which is why you often need to use a different version when witnessing to Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses. It was interesting to read about Erasmus' challenge for anyone to verify it was a legitimate verse but ended up putting it in his 3rd edition once someone presented a manuscript with it in the margin pointing to where the "verse" should go. I also had no idea the book of Revelation had so many errors in the KJV. I didn't know that Revelation 16:5 had a phrase in the KJV only to be found in the mind of a 16th century man, Beza, and no where else in history.
It also briefly touches on why the KJV may be softer on homosexuality than other versions.
The book presents the method God actually used to preserve his word rather than the "trust us, the KJV is the standard and we just know it is THE translation" method.

Sermon6/22/09 2:07 PM
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“ Thanks ”
Thanks especially for making the PDF document available. Very provocative, and biblical. Even as a London Baptist, if any nation were to do as that doc suggests re: WCF, I'd load up the family and move there tomorrow.

Blog2/3/09 5:52 PM
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Dear Sir,

God owns what?

Yours sincerely,

Phillip A. Jones.


Blog2/1/09 2:07 PM
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the King James Bible is the best Bible one can read(try finding one with all black print, being as Jesus Christ is ALMIGHTY GOD and is the Author of the whole Bible)the niv bible and a lot of these newer bibles are so watered down, they will give one a false pretense that everything is ok in the world. The Old Testament is just as important as the New Testament-the whole Bible is GODS Law Book for every human that will come into existance, the Bible is the only way GOD saves anyone (Romans 10:17)

Sermon1/26/09 10:27 PM
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“ Great Sermon! ”
I agree about that part about whether it was the real Samuel. That's a good example of God's Sovereignty! :) :) :)

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