Hey Preach...that's a pretty nifty piece of false logic that you have there. You say, "All of my co-religious are perfect, and if they aren't perfect then they aren't my co-religious". It's circular logic and it's wrong. You're right, there is a big difference between the words 'Protestant' and 'Baptist', the biggest difference is how they are spelled. The Baptist church started in the early 17th Century by a man named Smith. The way that I know that Baptists are Protestant is that they are similar in their major points of belief to all other Prot Churches of the period. Find for me the written history, that is widely accepted as true, that proves Baptists existed before 1607. We "lics" had it right from the beginning...you prots need to find that out!
Chuck, And Happy Independence day to you! I appreciate your quick response, but please don't feel that you need to answer my next question today, you've been busy, so enjoy the day. I'm wondering, what does a Christian say to a Jehovah's Witness who claims that the Bible does not explicitly teach the doctrine of the Trinity and that their New World Translation is the correct interpretation of the Bible? Thanks! edl
Happy Independence Day! We celebrated free speech liberty this morning by going to a Jehovah's Witness conference in Portland to preach the Gospel.
No, the Bible doesn't contain the words "Sola Scriptura", but it does contain the principle or doctrine. The Bible doesn't contain the word "Trinity", yet all Christians hold to God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit as one and the same God, but three in person. For the sake of brevity we call it the doctrine of the Trinity.
James 1:21-25 receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls. 22 But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves.
1 Peter 1:23-2:3 having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever, 24 because
"All flesh is as grass, And all the glory of man as the flower of the grass. The grass withers, And its flower falls away, 25 But the word of the LORD endures forever." Now this is the word which by the gospel was preached to you.
2:1 Therefore, laying aside all malice, all deceit, hypocrisy, envy, and all evil speaking, 2 as newborn babes, desire the pure milk of the word, that you may grow thereby, 3 if indeed you have tasted that the Lord is gracious.
2 Tim 3:15-17 the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work. NKJV
Or for an uninspired source, Wikipedia defines it...
Sola scriptura (Latin ablative, "by scripture alone") is the assertion that the Bible as God's written word is self-authenticating, clear (perspicuous) to the rational reader, its own interpreter ("Scripture interprets Scripture"), and sufficient of itself to be the final authority of Christian doctrine.
Sola scriptura was a foundational doctrinal principle of the Protestant Reformation held by the reformer Martin Luther and is a formal principle of Protestants today (see Five solas). It may be contrasted with Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Anglican, and Oriental Orthodox teaching in which doctrine is taught by the teaching authority of the church, drawing on the "Deposit of Faith" and based on what they consider to be Sacred Tradition, of which the Bible is a subset.
Preacherjond: So far I haven't killed a soul and don't plan to. How bout you, spoiling for a fight are we? If you want to be a Prot, you have my blessing...knock yourself out. Please allow me and other Catholics to exercise our American right to practice our religion in peace...unless of course, you're tired of peace?
"You mean like when your institution burned and tortured all the 'heretics' for preaching the true gospel to them?"
MyRsp: No...more like when Prot England let Catholic Ireland starve, stole their land, and kept them in proverty...or kinda like when England persecuted Catholics for over 200 years with death and prison...or maybe like American 'Know-Nothings' (sounds right up your alley Preacher!) who burned Catholic Churches, convents and beat up Catholic clergy...then there was the Klan of the 1920's that hated Catholics. Are any of the folks your kin?
Good to see some interaction over the things that matter most. Why take the Gospel to Mass? It's not ugly, it's LOVE. Mass is where Christ is being blasphemed and where Roman Catholic people are being lead astray from the work that Jesus Christ pronounced as "FINISHED" (John 19:30). Love of Christ and love of lost sinners bound up under Roman Catholic delusions of sacramental righteousness compel us to take the Gospel to Mass. Let me be clear that we did not interrupt the blasphemous service in which Christ is said to be re-crucified. Instead we talked with people and priest before and after the service. I would welcome Catholics to attend service at our church and happily engage them in a Biblical discussion of Christ's final sacrifice as the final high priest. Thanks for writing and may God be glorified as you look to His Son's completed sacrifice and cry out to Him for salvation by grace alone through faith alone.
". . .this divine sacrifice which is celebrated in the Mass, the same Christ who offered himself once in a bloody manner on the altar of the cross is contained and offered in an unbloody manner... this sacrifice is truly propitiatory" (Doctrina de ss. Missae sacrificio, c. 2, quoted in Catechism of the Catholic Church, 1367)
Woe, if the bread is literally turned into flesh, and the wine is literally turned into blood, how can the Mass be an 'unbloody manner'? Is this not a contradiction?
BTW GG, I don't believe any Protestants on this site would harrass you; it is you taking their defense of their doctrines that you attack as harrassment. If you did not come here with your Jesuit tactics, I doubt that any truly Protestant Christians would be harrassing you or the RCC. "The weapons of our warfare are not carnal. . ."
GG wrote, "Don't start something that could turn very ugly. "
You mean like when your institution burned and tortured all the "heretics" for preaching the true gospel to them?
The next inquisition is just waiting on everything to line up prophetically, and it will make the first look like a minor street fight. You can read about it in the book of Revelation-- but you won't be able to understand according 1 Cor. 2:13-14. I would say to go and ask your priest, but he won't be able to either according to the same verse.
So GG are you going to step up and be part of the army and do God a service by killing the heretics, just like your comrades did?
Great Sermon! This is a very timely sermon. Our legistalure is completely out of control and are colluding with the Oregon county clerks and the Oregon Sumpreme Court to subvert the will of the majority in Oregon. This sermon reinforces the urgent need for all Americans to rise up against this evil and remove these evil politicians from office.
This is America, we have the right to worship God as we each see fit. Please grant Catholics the dignity of conducting a peaceful service without harassment....just as you would wish for your own services. Remember...."Do unto others"? Don't start something that could turn very ugly.