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The Debate Hi pastor Trevor,
I listened to that Debate. The non-Charismatic was the wrong one to debate the issue.
It should have been you.
I agree 100 % with your 'Message to Charismatics'
We left a Charismatic church a few months ago.. While we did not worship with the "GIFTS" as the rest did, we began to pray and ask God to give us wisdom and discernment about this.
I am so grateful He led us out of there.
Please contact that Charismatic Man and have a debate with him.
Anyway... Thank you for your program on here.
Great Sermon! Here's a oxymoron: charismatic funeral. Think about it...why should they have a funeral when they could just raise them frm the dead? As a 24 yr old Reformed Baptist who by grace was brought out from among them, I am eternally indebted to Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and the light of His Gospel. God WILL save His people out of this madness, it's just a matter of time. His sheep hear His voice, and they will not follow another.
ITS NO DEBATE! Its simple!..(yet silly)...If Dr.Brown believes there are men raising the dead an healing the sick from Aids or Cancer and having the same gifts of healing as the apostles an their associates.....PROVE IT!!....Just PROVE IT!!.......And the argument is simply over!
Great Sermon! Sorry, Carl, you are riggt. They have not read the John 21:25, which says: And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.
The Bible definitely speaks for itself.
Great Sermon! Pam, you totally misunderstood my comment. I agree with you 100%. My point was that there is no specific recorded incident in the Gospels that Jesus healed an amputee (ergo "argument from silence") although passages such as Matthew 4:24, 8:16 and Luke 4:40 says that he healed all that were brought to Him at those events. But Cessationists today say that the spiritual gift of healing has ceased because they cannot find a credible recorded proof of an amputee made whole today. By that standard they would have also called Jesus a fraud.
Try God for yourself Carl, where the Bible says ALL were healed, that means ALL WERE HEALED. Where the Bible says MANY were healed, ALL were NOT HEALED. There also a place where He did NO MIRACLES there because of UNBELIEF.
You have to try God for yourself and see if He is real.
Ephesians 4 11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
WE ARE NOT THERE YET , WE STILL NEED THE FIVE FOLD MINISTRIES UNTIL CHRIST RETURN FOR US.
SO THAT THAT GOD IS GOD ALL BY HIMSELF AND DOES NOT NEED TO EXPLAIN HIMSELF TO ANY MAN!
God, all by Himself! We, as believers, are endowed with POWER from on high! The gifts are from God for His body. They are still activated and worked by His Holy Spirit, who dwells within us!
Great Sermon! Lori, if what you are saying is true, can you provide evidence of just one amputee that has been healed? I worked in the medical world for 22 years and if all of these so called signs and wonders are happening today, then why did I never see it happen one time?
Great Sermon! I'm glad to hear a debate on the authority of scripture instead of cessationist attacking the charismatic movement as a reason to reject the spiritual gifts for today. Jesus Christ by the power of the Spirit gaves gifts to the Church of God until His return and nowhere in scripture does it say other wise. I don't believe everything happening in Pentecostal or Charismatic circles are authentic and there is error, but that doesn't change the words of Jesus Christ. We need the Holy Spirit now more than ever because this country is going to hell at the speed of gravity. One side almost rejects the Holy Spirit and the other side has frauds and lunatics. Dr Brown did a great job at showing from scripture that the gifts are for believers to the glory of Christ.