Great Sermon! Thank you pastor for this good teaching. The church is in so low an ebb, because of all the "I thinks" out there. Can you imagine Paul and Silas singing "just as I am ". What blasphemy.
Is the Psalter Inspired? I just can't follow the distinction that the Psalter is inspired and other hymns, even if they use Scripure, are uninspired. We have little patience with people like the Ruckmanites who say that the King James Bible translation is inspired, and where it differs from the original languages, the KJV is the final authority. But I don't see a lot of difference between this extreme view and calling the "Psalter" inspired hymnology. It is a translation, and since it is made to rhyme, it can't even be a translation on the same level as a good English translation of the Bible. I think this sermon is very helpful... SID=810082234199
Reply to 'Some Other Scriptures To Consider' Dear Mr. Brown,
Thank you for your irenic comments. One of my frequent prayers is that I will always be teachable: â€śRebuke not a scorner, lest he hate thee: but rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee.â€ť â€śIron sharpeneth iron, so doeth man sharpen the face of his friendâ€ť (Prov. 9:8; 27:17).
As I trust you know, the Bible is its own dictionary and is its own commentary. As believers, we must turn to God's Word to understand God's words. Thus we must always be watchful that we are not unconsciously putting modern definitions upon words in the Bible, including â€śhymnsâ€ť and â€śsongs.â€ť We should look to the Bible to determine the meaning of those words. We should ask ourselves, â€śwhat do they mean in the language of Scripture? What did the words mean to the writer and to his first century audience?â€ť Continued below..
Reply ctd to Some other Scriptures to consider The misunderstanding of what is meant by â€śpsalms,â€ť â€śhymns,â€ť and â€śsongsâ€ť in the New Testament is because many believers do not know that the 150 compositions in the book of Psalms were titled as â€śpsalmsâ€ť (Heb. (mizmohr) , â€śpraiseâ€ť (t'hillah)â€ť and â€śsongsâ€ť (sheer) .
In the Greek translation of the Old Testament (the Septuagint), which was the Bible used by the believers in Ephesus and Colossae, the book of Psalms is divided into â€śpsalms,â€ť â€śhymnsâ€ť and â€śsongsâ€ť â€“ thus Paul's use of â€śpsalms, hymns and spiritual songsâ€ť in Eph. 5:19 and Col 3:16 to refer to the entire book of Psalms, not to uninspired compositions. (â€śSpiritualâ€ť means â€śinspired by the Holy Spirit.â€ť)
The Greek word psalmos is the equivalent of mizmohr and is translated â€śpsalms.â€ť Humnos is the Greek word that is the equivalent of t'hillah and is translated â€śhymnâ€ť or sometimes â€śpraise.â€ť Odee is translated â€śsong.â€ť Psalmos, humnos and odee follow the Old Testament, of course, and are used often in the titles of the Psalms in the Septuagint. Sixty-seven are titled psalmos. Six are simply titled humnos. Thirty-five are titled odee. Twelve of the titles are both psalmos and odee, and two are both psalmos and humnos. And Psalm 76 is titled with all three: â€śpsalmos, humnos and odeeâ€ť (â€śpsalm, hymn and songâ€ť).
Reply ctd to Some other Scriptures to consider We no longer make the distinction between the three titles of inspired compositions and refer to all of them as simply the psalms. Sadly, this has resulted in the widespread belief that when the Bible says â€śpsalmsâ€ť it means the book of Psalms and when it says â€śhymnsâ€ť and â€śspiritual songsâ€ť it means uninspired compositions.
When the writers of the New Testament used the terms translated in our English Bibles as â€śpsalms,â€ť â€śhymnsâ€ť and â€śsongsâ€ť they were referring to the inspired psalms. They were certainly not referring to uninspired compositions. Every first century believer, Jew or gentile, who heard â€śpsalms, hymns and spiritual songsâ€ť knew immediately that the reference was to the inspired compositions in the psalter. That is how the compositions were titled. It would never occur to them to think that â€śpsalms, hymns and spiritual songsâ€ť meant â€śinspired psalms and uninspired compositions.â€ť
Reply ctd to Some other Scriptures to consider The hymn Jesus and the disciples sang in Mt. 26:30 and Mk. 14:26 was undoubtedly the hymn that was ALWAYS sung at the conclusion of Passover, part or all of the Great Hallel, psalms 113-118.
In Acts 16:25, Paul and Silas sang a hymn. The 1599 Geneva Bible translates it correctly: â€śNow at midnight Paul and Silas prayed, and sang Psalms unto God, and the prisoners heard them.â€ť
The quote of Rom. 15:9 you cite is from the NIV. I am very sorry to see that the translators simply inserted the word â€śhymns.â€ť The word is not in the verse in the Greek nor in any other English translation I have consulted. Not even humnos is in that verse (even if it was, it would simply mean one of the psalms). The KJV and the Geneva Bible both translate the verse accurately: â€ś...For this cause I will confess to thee among the Gentiles, and sing unto thy name.â€ť (KJV) â€ś...For this cause I will confess thee among the Gentiles, and sing unto thy Name.â€ť (Geneva Bible).
Reply to 'Some Other Scriptures To Consider' Please accept my brotherly urging to use a version more faithful to the original text; one that is based on the Received Text (Textus Receptus). I recommend the Geneva Bible of 1599/1560 from Tolle Lege Press.
There is much more to be said, but to keep my response reasonably brief, there is no evidence whatsoever, Biblical or historical, direct or inferential, that â€śhymnâ€ť or â€śsongâ€ť in the Bible ever means an uninspired human composition.
In fact, uninspired hymns have been usede to introduce heresy into the church. A very interesting book is â€śHymns, Heretics and Historyâ€ť by Louis F. DeBoer at http://www.amprpress.com/hymns_&_heretics.htm I highly recommend it.
In addition, I would appreciate it if you would take the time to prayerfully study the resources at
The bottom line is: No one has ever found a commandment in Scripture to sing uninspired songs in worship. Please think and pray about that.
Yours in Christ Jesus,
Some other Scriptures to consider Pastor, I am appreciative of your stated desire to honor God and be faithful to the Scriptures. All of us who believe share the common challenge of interpreting the Scriptures accurately. In simple terms, the ultimate test for the Bible student is to discern what portions of Scripture are prescriptive (declaring what must be done), and what portions of Scripture are descriptive (describing what was done).
I believe that your message came from a good heart. But I am perplexed at how you could draw your conclusions considering the full witness of the Bible. "Hymn" or "hymns" occurs more times in the New Testament than "psalm" or "psalms" (seven vs. six). Immediately after instituting the Lord's Supper, Jesus and the disciples sang a hymn (not a psalm). Paul's and Silas' jailhouse worship included singing hymns -- and there was some rocking and rolling going on as a result (I couldn't resist).
The result of Christ's becoming servant to the Jews was to confirm the promises made to the patriarchs, and open the way for you and me (among the Gentiles mentioned) in order that we may "glorify God for his mercy, as it is written:
â€śTherefore I will praise you among the Gentiles;
I will sing hymns to your name.â€ť (Rom. 15:9)
Note the word "hymns," not psalms.
Great Sermon! Once again I learn so much from your sermons. I love how you paint a picture of the places and the people. This helps so much to understand the mindset and culture of the area the sermon is about. I think this is my fourth listen to this sermon. My brother now loves them too.
Response to Mike Mike,
A brotherly suggestion -- if you want to get your point across, drop the invectives. "The servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient..." (II Tim 2:24)
I suggest "What Christ Says About The Rapture": http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=1124101058502
and my series on "the great tribulation" beginning at http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=91206222644
Blessings in Christ,
Great Sermon! I am enjoying your sermons. Like "Mike from so.fl" below, I too had a look at your website. But unlike Mike, I found much on your website that is edifying to the Body of Christ. Thank you for the resources. I will avail myself of them with much confidence.
Reply to BWS When you compared the Presbyterian churches in Scotland to those in the USA, which would you say are the more Biblical? And by the way, I am under the impression that Christianity as a whole in all of North America, Western Europe, and Australia is "based more on a godless culture than it is the Word of God."