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What does church discipline have to do with the separation of church and state? At first glance, they seem like a strange combination: one, a relatively obscure church procedure, and the other, a hotly contested legal and political issue. But they have been forced together as a growing number of churches find themselves in court.

Behind these court cases is an almost forgotten history of the relationship between church and state. In A Tale of Two Governments, Robert Renaud and Lael Weinberger tell this story, interweaving history and theology with current events and the latest court cases. A Tale of Two Governments is for every American who cares about religious freedom, for every pastor who wants to wisely navigate the legal minefields, and for every Christian who cares about the integrity of the church.

“This book stands in a gap that I’ve long hoped to see occupied.” From the foreword by John MacArthur

My guest on the program today will be Lael D. Weinberger - he holds a law degree from Oak Brook College of Law. After graduating, he clerked for the Idaho Supreme Court. He is now practicing law and pursuing graduate studies in history.