I've got a little vacation time, due to the fact that our 9th child was born August 3rd! Ruthanne Christina Buzulak was born into this crazy world with the Islamic-lite, Fascist President Obama at the helm of our country. Pray for our children! Pray for our country! Pray that we Christians will repent, pray and do our duty for Jesus!
I was also perusing SermonAudio and found this gem:
"This is the spirit of apostasy in these last days, the people gather the teachers who will tell them what they want to hear.
Jas 5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; Jas 5:20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
Any of who? brethren.
Can a brother err from the truth? If he does can he be converted?
Peter who walked with Jesus, saw Him transformed on the mount of transfiguration, received from the Father that Jesus was the Christ,the Son of God, denied him and had to later be converted.
What is the brother who errs called? A sinner. When one such as this is converted what is saved? His soul. From what? death.
On the other hand what of all those precious promises of the Lord keeping us and no one plucking us from His hand? If there are so many verses for both the securist and the assurist the truth must be that both have merit. That truth must be in the context given and realized in the whole of scripture."
Wow! What say you eternal securists? Can you answer a fool to his folly?
Alright then, lets take this apart. Look at James 5:19, 20. But, let us lay down some rules of interpretation first.
1. We MUST be attentive to each word and explain what each word means according to the context of the surrounding words/verses.
2. We Must interpret the "obscure" or "confusing" or "questionable" text/words in light of what we already know according to the rest of the bible.
3. We MUST also not wrest the scripture to our own destruction, which many do.
Here's what I do know about the James 5 passage and authors assumption of Peter:
1. Eternal security is a proven doctrine based on solid/biblical interpretation of scripture.
2. Peter was already saved when he experienced Jesus' transformation on the mount of transfiguration.
3. Interpreting that James 5 means one can lose his/her salvation brings us to some pretty contradictory conclusions and some wild speculation:
For instance, if this does mean you could lose your salvation by sinning, which sin(s)? This verse isn't helping us because it says in James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in ONE [POINT], he is guilty of all. Therefore, according to the "pastor" that wrote the above underlined, if he doesn't love me as himself, he sins and is now lost and on his way to hell (Mt 22:39 And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.) unless he gets re-saved. But you can't get resaved because Hebrews explains that you can't lose your salvation. It's impossible-you would crucify the Lord afresh. He was crucified ONCE for our sins:
Heb 6:4 For [it is] IMPOSSIBLE for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put [him] to an open shame.
Those who twist Hebrews into a book that proves you can lose your salvation are delusional. It's the best book to prove that you CANNOT lose your salvation, if read correctly.
So let's look at some of the words of James 5:19, 20.
In verse 19 does the word "convert" mean conversion in the sense of being born again, again? No. It can and does here mean a form of repentance. For example, Peter was already saved before the mount of transfiguration. So then what did Jesus mean about Peter needing conversion? Simlpy this, Peter had been converted to Christ three years earlier and had been washed from his sin, as Christ noted when He washed his feet at the Supper (Joh 13:8-10). Peter was still proud and self-sufficient, and he had to be converted from this. God used Satan's attack upon Peter to humble him, to bring him to the end of himself, to bring him to repentance and conversion in this area of his life.
Next, lets look at the word "soul". How many meanings does the word soul have? The word "soul" has various meanings in Scripture. Sometimes it refers to the whole man (Ge 2:7; Le 17:12). Often, though, it refers to a conscious, immaterial part of man which exists beyond death apart from the body. Bible words must be defined by the context in which they are found, since almost all Bible words have various usages and definitions in different contexts. This is true with words in normal language in or out of the Bible.(D. Cloud) In the context of James 5 the word soul means person or whole man.
Can a saved person that is in sin end up ultimately dying? For sure. So a man (or soul) that sins and one of you gets him to quit by whatever means (convert) saves a sinner (by the way we are all sinners) from physical death. My wife and I knew a young man while in Germany; a good, good, young man. He loved the Lord and he was saved. A few years later in his life, while back in America, he decided to run out into sin. My wife and I tried to persuade and plead with him to come back to the Lord and a church and repent of his lifestyle. He said he would but was having issues with hypocritical situations in the church. It was a couple of years later that he was shot in the chest and died. The husband of the wife came home and shot my friend. Would to God he had listened to us and stopped his sinning.
So, using James 5 to persuade a person to stop sinning based upon possible death is biblical. On the other hand a person attempting to twist James 5 into meaning that you can lose your salvation is contradictory, incorrect and blasphemous based upon other hundreds of bible verses proving the very opposite.
David Cloud's article on Eternal Security is fantastic, please, please give it a read at:
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
I'll share this from David Cloud about this verse-and others:
1Jo 3:15 is not referring to the loss of salvation, as some have inferred; it is referring to the evidence of salvation. Verse 14 says: â€śWe know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.â€ť The saved man does not hate and murder. Those who continue to do such things prove that they were never saved. Joh 3:16 and many other verses promise eternal life to those who trust the shed blood, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ for salvation. Eternal life means just what it says. If 1Jo 3:15 means a born again believer in Christ can lose his salvation, it would contradict hundreds of plain Bible verses which say this is not possible. (See commentary on Heb. 6:4-6, for example.) 1Jo 3:15 is referring to the fact that salvation dramatically changes a personâ€™s life. See Ro 6:17- 18; 1Co 6:9-11; 2Co 5:17.
I agree Dee. I'm not for "manipulating" any scriptures. The bible is clear that God is the Author and FINISHER of our faith-not us.
Hebrews 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
And that we shall NEVER perish:
John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
The comment that says, 'We must interpret the "obscure" or "confusing" or "questionable" text/words in light of what we already know according to the rest of the bible' is part of the problem with Calvinists and Arminians alike. Every Scripture is interpreted based on what each already believes or assumes to be true in this totally unnecessary debate. Why can't we simply believe God's promises to keep us to the end, obey His instructions to endure to the end, and heed His countless warnings about falling? Why all this manipulation of Scripture to fit our mold?
I know this is an "old" post to comment on (maybe), but I wanted to see the answer to the question "For instance, if this does mean you could lose your salvation by sinning, which sin(s)?". I would ask about 1 Cor 6:9-10. I know there is a difference between "practicing" and just not being perfect. I just wanted to see if this comment might get read.