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While at the Pro-life rally Saturday afternoon, a pleasant middle-aged
woman approached my wife.

"Would you like a prayer card, ma'am?" she politely asked.
"Is that a picture of Mary??" my wife cautiously replied.
"Why, yes it is."
"I am sorry, but we pray only to Jesus our Mediator. We don't need
Mary for that," Jody graciously commented.

Thus the cordial debate began. I am certainly impressed that the lady
was not timid. Many people in this world are not interested in
conversations about God and religion-whether short or prolonged. In
this case, the Roman Catholic was not only interested she was
persistent. Although most amiable, she was certainly not open minded
by any stretch of the imagination. She would pause to breath and then
reassert her devotion to Mary, giving us little space to speak at
times. And like a pit-bull, no matter how much our counter-points
bludgeoned her view, she would not let go.

"Why would Mary have to be perfect to give birth to Christ?" we

"To give birth to a perfect human, she had to be perfect" she
answered in a matter-of-fact manner
"Then was her mother perfect?" we quickly countered.
"No, that does not follow. She was divine so she had to be
"!!??-divine you say?"
"Yes," she innocently responded.
"You realize that in normal language 'divine' means 'deity'
or 'god'?" we incredulously asked.
"Well, she is part of Christ. She gave part of herself-her
soul-to Christ."
"So, you believe in four gods?" we persisted.
"Look," she sighed, "for Christ to be perfect and live a life of
perfection for us to follow, she had to be perfect"
"So she participated in deity with Christ?"
"She is divine; she is perfect and gave part of herself for
Christ's humanity. Christ himself while on the cross presented Mary
to the church as our Mother" she doggedly persisted.

Persistence indeed! We could never get her to explain what she meant by

Mary being "divine". Nor could we get her to see her need of
Christ as her only savior since she insisted that Mary was our mediator
with Christ. In fact, Christ must always heed his mother! Did not
Christ honor her? Naturally, we pointed out that Christ honored his
father too, but it did not follow that Joseph was our mediator.

We were certainly running in circles near the end: she denied the sole

authority of the Bible; she denied the sole sufficiency of Christ's
atonement; she denied the need for faith alone without works for
salvation. This is not inductive speculation on our part, we asked
here pointedly these very issues throughout our ten-minute discussion.

Now, dear reader, note the denials carefully: the word "sole" or

"alone" are the key words. She admitted the need of Christ and the
Bible and faith but none of them were alone. She was adamant that good
works would bring her to heaven. She had no confidence that she was
going to heaven; so, she explained, she had to try harder to obey God
lest she fall short of full justification.

Quite sad. Although we felt as though we were beating our heads

against a wall, we persisted because we pitied her. She has no hope
save herself and she admitted that was not enough. Christ was only a
godly example (she repeated several times) and Mary was her divine

My wife and I planted a seed. It seemed like much work at the time,

but we know our duty to God and love for the lost: dig, plant and leave
the increase to God.

Even if your head hurts.


[from Providence Points e-Newsletter, Jan. 22, 2006, or comment here for a subscription).

Category:  Church Life

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