The petition to let Texas secede from the U.S. to be reviewed by the White House
As of 3:40 p.m. ET, more than 25,000 Texans have already signed the petition on The White House website to let Texas peacefully secede from United States of America and “create its own NEW government.”
The petition, created on Nov. 9, argues for secession.
Angela Wittman writes: It might be best if I listen to more sermons and comment less. Great advise for us all Angela. May God grant us the grace to do so.
Dear Frank, No, I don't think you would intentionally mislead others and I apologize for painting you and John from the UK with such a broad brush. But you all must realize I am Reformed Presbyterian in my theology and will defend it and those who I believe rightly interpret Scripture. I really thought this was a place where I could express these beliefs without causing controversy. It might be best if I listen to more sermons and comment less. Sorry to have offended you.
Angela Wittman wrote: Dear Frank and John from the UK, I could be mistaken, but I thought this website, SermonAudio, was created by a gentleman in the Free Presbyterian Church. I then assumed that it would be a place where I could meet like-minded believers. Of course, I don't expect everyone to think exactly like me, but that there would be a mutual respect for the teaching and teachers of Reformed Theology. At this point, I am totally confused as to why there would be such hostility to the wonderful work of John Calvin at this website. I have never felt more like weeping at the comments on this website as I do at both of yours.
I have never mentioned John Calvin or referred to the reformation on any post that I have done. I mentioned what I call the errors of the kingdom now philosophy and took the time to note the scriptures that were driving my thoughts. For you to say or suggest that I would ever intentionally mislead or discourage a believer in Christ is shameful. Your activism has apparently blinded your ability to discern that.
As an aside, I have already forgiven you completely for the hurt I felt, so we can just leave it alone.
Thank you to faith secession... I guess I've been in a peaceful place for many years, worshiping and serving the Lord with like-minded believers from many different persuasions of Christian belief and was quite surprised at the "heat" displayed here. However, if I am correct that the owner is of Presbyterian belief, I recommend the "guests' here be respectful of the Reformation Fathers such as Calvin who preached and ministered in Geneva when it was a city shining upon a hill for all to see.
jpw wrote: I just want to follow God's commands in my life. If someone asks me to break God's law, be it killing innocent people through the power of the sword or chemicals or abandoning my family, or stealing from my neighbor, I have to reject it...
Amen.
[Begin rant] I see three major forms of government all ordained by God. These being Civil, Church, & Family. The role and order of these governments is established in the Holy Bible. When one of these governments begins to go outside of its ordained role and encroaches on the role of another, then it becomes necessary for the other gov'ts to resist and hinder this disorder that order (meaning Godly order) may be established.
Currently, each of these forms of government are mostly out of order. Thus, it becomes necessary for Godly men who are responsible for the governance of their families to lead their families in righteousness regardless of the dictates of civil government and, sadly, even church government.
Likewise, a civil government's desire to separate from an ineffectual lawless gov't (such as our Federal/UN/Federal Reserve/IMF gov't) via the encouragement of peaceful secession, should be supported. [/end rant]
I just want to follow God's commands in my life. If someone asks me to break God's law, be it killing innocent people through the power of the sword or chemicals or abandoning my family, or stealing from my neighbor, I have to reject it.
Corrie just started moving those babies out. Wilberforce came up with legislation that weakened the slave ship business.
In all ways we serve and represent Christ.
I do not have the perfect ideals in my mind of the perfect gov.
without gov there would be chaos, but when entities are allowed to put themselves above the law, then they produce chaos.
or when the law favors one group's survival over another, then chaos ensues.
its just the way things work.
Angela, I would encourage you to keep your allegience with Christ first (as I know you do from your posts) and Calvin as among others found hope in the scriptures. The whole lot of reform leaders put themselves into high positions that they never should have.
And all can call me arminian for that, (I respect presby churches), and I would say, that if the RCC put themselves in such high power, drowning the saints for believer's baptism, the reaction would be the same.
It is not right to force all people to register their babies into a religion.
Marty wrote: You reject the Law of God as a guide for governance, mock the Saints and prefer unaided human reason instead. Is there a third option I'm missing? Christ is King now, over all the Earth. Satan's power hasn't multiplied since his head was crushed by Christ's heel. You are what you believe, and you reject God's Word as the epistemological basis of human relationships
Marty, what do you propose?
Do you want to see a Christian President, with Christian counsellors, Christian judges, magistrates, Christian police force, Christian FBI, CIA, Christian teachers, professors, Christian doctors and pilots, Christian baseball players et al?
Man, you're living in a dream world.
Has not GOD ordained the rulers?
And you thought it was all down to the vote.
And no, I do not believe in a democracy, as it is. Elections are a farce, the system is all wrong, men get into power because some folks don't vote. There needs to be a better, more radical way.
Neil wrote: Lincoln didn't call for troops until SC commenced hostilities by firing on a Federal fort. If that wasn't a "casus belli" requiring a military response, I don't know what is. Presumably a new Republic of Texas would not be so stupid. If you want the moral high ground, let your opponent strike the 1st blow. As I said before, being on the losing side of a Presidential election is not a reasonable ground for secession. It is the essence of anarchy, as Lincoln said. If Texas really cared about Federal tyranny, they should've seceded back in the '30s, or at least the '60s. But maybe they couldn't resist all those wonder transfer payments (welfare, subsidies).
Hadn't heard about Texas thinking about commencing any hostilities. Certainly agree with letting your opponent strike the 1st blow. In any case, I wonder if governments have to actually declare physical war on their own people in order for it to be recognized as war? There are other ways to subject a people, than to blow them up or shoot them.
It doesn't seem likely that secession hadn't been discussed before the last two elections. Back in the 30s, perhaps Texas was more than a wealthy wart on the Fed backside. States hadn't yet been reduced to 2 letter postal abbvs.
Suffering for Christ is a blessing and to be expected, but it'd be nice if some men didn't go out if their way to embolden evil by way of ignoring the sword of the magistrate ... for like murderers, child molesters, etc
Angela Wittman wrote: I don't expect everyone to think exactly like me, but that there would be a mutual respect for the teaching and teachers of Reformed Theology. At this point, I am totally confused as to why there would be such hostility to the wonderful work of John Calvin at this website. I have never felt more like weeping at the comments on this website as I do at both of yours.
The preponderance of evangelicals are passive arminians. The minority are aggressive calvinists. More heat than light being shed is to be expected.
Angela Wittman wrote: Dear Frank and John from the UK, I could be mistaken, but I thought this website, SermonAudio, was created by a gentleman in the Free Presbyterian Church. I then assumed that it would be a place where I could meet like-minded believers. Of course, I don't expect everyone to think exactly like me, but that there would be a mutual respect for the teaching and teachers of Reformed Theology. At this point, I am totally confused as to why there would be such hostility to the wonderful work of John Calvin at this website. I have never felt more like weeping at the comments on this website as I do at both of yours.
Sister Angela, you know very well that I have shown respect for believers of all persuasions, including Presbyterians and Arminists. But maybe you have forgotten the attacks I have personally come under from various Presby folks who have accused me of all sorts of things, including being a Wesleyan Methodist from people who knew full well that I hold to the 1689 Baptist Confession.
The anti I have had from (Scottish) Presbys has not endeared me to them, nor their doctrines, but if you were a member of the Free Presby Church of Ulster, even your attitude would be greatly changed.
You reject the Law of God as a guide for governance, mock the Saints and prefer unaided human reason instead. Is there a third option I'm missing? Christ is King now, over all the Earth. Satan's power hasn't multiplied since his head was crushed by Christ's heel. You are what you believe, and you reject God's Word as the epistemological basis of human relationships
How about a constitutional republic founded on the Kingship of Christ, john? What is your epistemological basis for elevating democracy into the heavens?
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Sorry to have offended you.
from people who knew full well that I hold to the 1689 Baptist Confession.
