Pastor Rick Warren Hospitalized, Awaiting Diagnosis
Pastor Rick Warren of Saddleback Church was hospitalized Tuesday after experiencing pain in his arms.
The renowned Southern California pastor will be undergoing a series of tests to determine what the cause is though the doctor's "diagnostic guess" is that he has an inner ear virus that may have spread to the nerves in his neck and down his arms.
"[P]ray for a quick and accurate diagnosis, a fast remedy," he asked his megachurch in an email Tuesday late afternoon.
Lowson just reading Augustine tring to say that faith is a gift of God shows that he was a heretic(or unsaved), God's gift is eternal life. Can you show me scripture where we get faith as a gift from God(in the KJB of course)? And he is telling you not to pray to God to convince people souls, which is by itself shows he was a heretic, because don't tell me Paul was praying for the Jews souls, because he told us pray for the same thing(Rom 10:1). And lastly the Bible says call no man on earth your father, but your Father in heaven. Lets see Augustine was a RCB Church ----Father----... oops. This why I don't call the true early church elders "fathers".
Michael Hranek wrote: John UK Good to read your post, somehow people who like to quote Spurgeon haven't mentioned those kind of things. Anyway my beloved brother in Wales isn't it beyond wonderful that God Himself has given us: 66 Books in three languages (translated into ours) written on 3 Continents by about 40 authors over approximately 1600 years depicting supernatural, not just superhuman events, even foretelling in detail some events hundreds of years before they happen with the Divine Coroboration, this is the very Word of the Only True and Living God, in their fulfillment, with some awaiting a like awesome and very real fulfillment in God's time. God Himself speaking to us in words we have the right to understand, believe and live by and out in our lives BECAUSE God says what He means and means what He says. I am so thankful he had people like you and I, my wife and daughter in mind when He moved men by the Holy Spirit to give us His word, even that we might have a sure, knowing, certain AND EXPERIENCIAL FAITH, He Himself authors, approves of and greatly rewards, the faith that comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God to live a life more than worth the living.
Lowson wrote: Thats it Michael prove yourself to be Arminian. You never really did leave the Roman Catholic religious philosophy of works based salvation, did you!
If you really knew Calvin and Augustine you would know the Bible and its doctrine.
Lowson I believe I posted earlier to you how you might not understand.
Let me say this again, you might not understand my reply to you,
as you apparently believe something other than Sola Scriptura, as if the Bible, the very word of God and the indwelling Holy Spirit aren't enough for a born again child of God to know the Truth
I absolutely believe in a "works based salvation", which would be the sufficiency of the completed work of the Lord Jesus Christ for me and wonderfully for other sinners too, on the Cross!
Mike wrote: 1) I asked what do you think. Not a hard question. 2) Huh? 3) Meaning what in light of the question?
1) How can I possibly KNOW whether P.Mike can't believe or won't believe? What I THINK is irrelevant. 2)PASTOR MIKE thinks he's being logical. 3)You are offended by the Bible being a literary masterpiece?
John UK wrote: Hi Mike I wonder if you, as Calvin said, were one of those "redeemed by Christ's blood, but become again the vassal of the Devil, and thus have rendered void as far as you can that incomparable price". What a great shame that would be. To be so near, yet so far. To have one foot in the door, yet the back leg was heavier and dragged back out. To be redeemed and still perish. But then, Calvin may have been wrong.
Hi, where in the writings of Calvin is this idea to be found?
KJB Believer wrote: Lowson can you show me where Augustine taught salvation by faith in the Lord Jesus Christ? Note: Can you give the words before and the after the quote you will use.
Pastor Mike wrote: My opinion is that the theory which best describes the teaching of salvation as written in the Bible is Calvinism.
Hi Mike
I wonder if you, as Calvin said, were one of those "redeemed by Christ's blood, but become again the vassal of the Devil, and thus have rendered void as far as you can that incomparable price".
What a great shame that would be. To be so near, yet so far. To have one foot in the door, yet the back leg was heavier and dragged back out. To be redeemed and still perish.
Pastor Mike wrote: My opinion is that the theory which best describes the teaching of salvation as written in the Bible is Calvinism. However, I don't believe the Bible is actually true, which means the whole controversy isn't of much interest. So I guess you could call me a Calvinistic atheist.
"Pastor" Mike you what is you address, I planning mailing your local state hospital to tell them they got themselves a case. Calvinistic Atheist that is so dumb.
Lowson wrote: You are lying about Calvin and Spurgeon...
My opinion is that the theory which best describes the teaching of salvation as written in the Bible is Calvinism. However, I don't believe the Bible is actually true, which means the whole controversy isn't of much interest. So I guess you could call me a Calvinistic atheist.
Now is it that I can't believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster or that I won't believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster?
Lowson wrote: Thats it Michael prove yourself to be Arminian. You never really did leave the Roman Catholic religious philosophy of works based salvation, did you!
Lowson can you show me where Augustine taught salvation by faith in the Lord Jesus Christ? Note: Can you give the words before and the after the quote you will use.
Lowson wrote: You are lying about Calvin and Spurgeon and you have lost the contest and resorted to lies to save face. Repent of your deceit John UK. Repent.
I will desist to put up publically the proof of all that I have said, lest you be more shattered than you already are.
I hold Ingleesi Spurgeon in the highest esteem, as do all believers who hold to the biblical doctrines of free and sovereign grace. Indeed, my own tender heart towards other believers who believe somewhat differently to me, has no doubt been influenced under God's edifying grace, by men like Spurgeon, whose love was unfeigned, of the Holy Ghost. Maybe one day I too, like Spurgeon, will believe in a millennial reign of Christ upon the earth. Maybe that ought to be thundered out from the pulpits also, eh?
But you see, I am bound by the word of God, I'm not a robot. If you studied the whole works of John Calvin, instead of paddling about in the shallows of tulip and that sort of thing, you may come to a different conclusion.
Once again you call me unregenerate, but if you applied the same criterior to your beloved Calvin, you would have to call HIM unregenerate also.
John UK wrote: If you really knew your beloved Calvin, you'd be more aware than I am that in his commentary he relates to a universal atonement, and proves that if a man is lost it is not to be attributed to God but to the man himself.
You are lying about Calvin and Spurgeon and you have lost the contest and resorted to lies to save face. Repent of your deceit John UK. Repent.
Lowson wrote: If you really knew Calvin and Augustine you would know the Bible and its doctrine.
If you really knew your beloved Calvin, you'd be more aware than I am that in his commentary he relates to a universal atonement, and proves that if a man is lost it is not to be attributed to God but to the man himself.
If anyone is anti-calvinist it is you.
And it will not do for you to try to gainsay what I have just said, because it can all be proven, as we have done once before. But then, you simply ignore proof, and carry on making silly statements. I'm sure there's a medical word for such a thing.
Michael Hranek wrote: First, I am no fan of Augustine, the doctor of the Roman Catholic false religion
Thats it Michael prove yourself to be Arminian. You never really did leave the Roman Catholic religious philosophy of works based salvation, did you!
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John UK wrote: Remember also that C.H.Spurgeon is censured in the Heterodoxy Hall of Shame for having oh-so-arminian tendencies in his preaching, for attending a Catholic Church Service
Your hate-filled anti-calvinist stance proves your kinship to Jacob Arminius John. Now come clean at last and confess your true allegiance to Wesleyanism.
You two have the RCC/Arminian mark on your posts for years. Why not admit your guilt. You cannot receive the truth about God's sovereignty and faith the gift of God. If you really knew Calvin and Augustine you would know the Bible and its doctrine.
Michael Hranek wrote: And this sinner saved only by the Sovereign work of God, which included the people He put to praying for me, agrees and has so much to learn and grow into for the debt of Love I owe Jesus Christ, and will count it a wonderful reality that I can never repay no matter how much priviledge He give me in serving Him. You might not be able to understand this.
What an awesome witness to read today! Thanks and above all praise to Jesus Christ. I do not believe we will ever have mastery over how a perfect holy Father can reach down to those debased as us and give us eyes to see. And then to call us to share what He's done. To choose him or her who could not understand, and yet now does. That we would then share in the Kingdom of God. And yet He calls us to intercede for the lost. Not leaving us as robots but participating like Paul in the furthering of the Kingdom.
The gospel masters us, and not the other way around.
John UK Good to read your post, somehow people who like to quote Spurgeon haven't mentioned those kind of things.
Anyway my beloved brother in Wales isn't it beyond wonderful that God Himself has given us:
66 Books in three languages (translated into ours) written on 3 Continents by about 40 authors over approximately 1600 years depicting supernatural, not just superhuman events, even foretelling in detail some events hundreds of years before they happen with the Divine Coroboration, this is the very Word of the Only True and Living God, in their fulfillment, with some awaiting a like awesome and very real fulfillment in God's time.
God Himself speaking to us in words we have the right to understand, believe and live by and out in our lives BECAUSE God says what He means and means what He says.
I am so thankful he had people like you and I, my wife and daughter in mind when He moved men by the Holy Spirit to give us His word, even that we might have a sure, knowing, certain AND EXPERIENCIAL FAITH, He Himself authors, approves of and greatly rewards, the faith that comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God to live a life more than worth the living.
Remember also that C.H.Spurgeon is censured in the Heterodoxy Hall of Shame for having oh-so-arminian tendencies in his preaching, for attending a Catholic Church Service and commenting kindly on the scriptural parts of the service and allowing the preacher to have been a born again Catholic, and for being oh-so-tender towards believers of different persuasions such as John Wesley and George Whitefield, allowing them both the sign of great men of God, born again and on their respective ways to heaven despite diferences.
And I shudder to think what would happen if Ingleesi should come and thunder in your own church. Probably get turfed out for trying to convince the congregation to repent and believe the gospel. "Wretched arminist" I can hear you saying, "unregenerate infidel" another says. And so he makes his way over to the Baptists who receive him gladly as a man of God, to be taught of him.
Man I think you ought to reconsider using quotes from Spurgeon unless you are with him in his thoughts.
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I absolutely believe in a "works based salvation", which would be the sufficiency of the completed work of the Lord Jesus Christ for me and wonderfully for other sinners too, on the Cross!
