The U.S. military ordered soldiers to remove a cross and a steeple from atop a chapel and to board up cross-shaped windows at a remote American forward operating base in Afghanistan.
The removal of Christian symbols from the chapel at Forward Operating Base Orgun-E came after a solider complained — leading American Atheists president David Silverman to send a letter to the Pentagon.
“Soldiers with minority religious beliefs and atheists often feel like second-class citizens when Christianity is seemingly officially endorsed by their own base,” Silverman told Fox News. “We are very happy the Pentagon and the Army decided to do the right thing.”...
Pastor Mike wrote: I'd like to take this opportunity to applaud the United States Army for doing the right thing. It's looking increasing likely that atheism will one day soon take over as the majority religion in the United States. When that day comes and Christians become a minority, hopefully they will finally understand why it's so important to protect minority rights and the true meaning behind the words "congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion."
Unless you guys can breed faster than the Muslims the crosses are just going to be replaced with crescents eventually.
Frank wrote: Well said brother! You certainly have a heart for evangelism. Societies and churches have dummied down genuine Christianity to such an extent that this poor fellow thinks that everyone who gives mental assent to Christ is in the faith. When I think of the crosses that we normally see; I think of the Catholic cross where Christ is still hanging; still suffering. But, any cross that we see is simply somthing that is manmade and has no spiritual significance. IT IS FINISHED!
Amen bro! Completed, and "we are complete in him".
Yes, I often think of the unconverted and how they view Christianity. And it is with regret that I conclude their view is that propagated by the nominal folks rather than that shown by the regenerate.
No wonder then that these folks do not wish to follow it up and find out more about what ought to be the "dynamic Christian faith".
The early disciples were so vibrant and upfront that even the unbelievers were saying that they were turning the world upside down. And they feared these fiery preachers who had so much power. Perhaps if God comes in revival we will see such days again.
John UK wrote: 1. Actually Mike, I agree with you. The Cross as we know it is not a Christian symbol but a pagan one, so to remove it from Christian circles is a good idea. The piece of wood upon which the Saviour died for all who would trust in him, bearing their sins away by taking the consequences for them in his own body, was more likely to have been a straight beam. 2. Christianity is already and always has been a minority religion in the USA and every other country in the world. There is such a thing as nominal Christianity (in name only), which is made up of religious people who have never been born again. Such do not have the Spirit of God, are inevitably self-righteous, not understanding that salvation is by grace alone through faith alone.
Well said brother! You certainly have a heart for evangelism. Societies and churches have dummied down genuine Christianity to such an extent that this poor fellow thinks that everyone who gives mental assent to Christ is in the faith. When I think of the crosses that we normally see; I think of the Catholic cross where Christ is still hanging; still suffering. But, any cross that we see is simply somthing that is manmade and has no spiritual significance.
Christopher000 wrote: I'm relieved to hear that because I guess I have some crazy views concerning some topics and thought this one may have been yet another. I need to start qualifying anything fringe, with a "maybe, I think, or a what do I know" because I'm finding that some views I have are pretty out there, I guess. Like my views on the Nephelim, for example...ha-ha. Nobody ever seems to want to touch it.
A willingness to learn is what is most important. I am remember the baggage I picked up during my first 5 years as a Christian which I had to discard because as I studied the bible I found that I was in error!
I'm relieved to hear that because I guess I have some crazy views concerning some topics and thought this one may have been yet another. I need to start qualifying anything fringe, with a "maybe, I think, or a what do I know" because I'm finding that some views I have are pretty out there, I guess. Like my views on the Nephelim, for example...ha-ha. Nobody ever seems to want to touch it.
Pastor Mike wrote: 1. I'd like to take this opportunity to applaud the United States Army for doing the right thing. 2. It's looking increasing likely that atheism will one day soon take over as the majority religion in the United States. When that day comes and Christians become a minority, hopefully they will finally understand why it's so important to protect minority rights and the true meaning behind the words "congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion."
1. Actually Mike, I agree with you. The Cross as we know it is not a Christian symbol but a pagan one, so to remove it from Christian circles is a good idea. The piece of wood upon which the Saviour died for all who would trust in him, bearing their sins away by taking the consequences for them in his own body, was more likely to have been a straight beam.
2. Christianity is already and always has been a minority religion in the USA and every other country in the world. There is such a thing as nominal Christianity (in name only), which is made up of religious people who have never been born again. Such do not have the Spirit of God, are inevitably self-righteous, not understanding that salvation is by grace alone through faith alone.
You are correct in that we will become less and less a Christian nation. The question is, will we become an atheistic country or Muslim? Either way, the beauty of our country will be lost. Instead of being built around Christian principals (10 commandments. Love your neighbor...) the country will be built around Muslim law or the moto of doing whatever is right in you own eyes. Either spells self destruction.
I'd like to take this opportunity to applaud the United States Army for doing the right thing.
It's looking increasing likely that atheism will one day soon take over as the majority religion in the United States. When that day comes and Christians become a minority, hopefully they will finally understand why it's so important to protect minority rights and the true meaning behind the words "congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion."
Mike wrote: Hey Frank, do you think maybe those evil men and seducers are slippery because of the wax?
Perhaps But then I checked the verse in the NASB and it was much clearer. But since I know that John only uses the KJ, when and if he gets his lesson, I am going to do it from there.
2 Timothy 3:13 But evil men and impostors will proceed from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived.
I also noted that he wants to wait for an end-time thread; why I don't know. You would think he would want to learn now and not wait. But since I am a post-triber, we might get the lesson in anyway.
Frank wrote: Heh Pilgrim! But you and I would agree that the following is what has, is and will occur in the future. 2 Timothy 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
Hey Frank, do you think maybe those evil men and seducers are slippery because of the wax?
Frank wrote: Perfectly said! I agree with your points. As a pilgrim, this is not my home, but since the Lord hasn't taken me to my real home yet, He must have a reason for leaving me here. If for no other reason, perhaps it is to teach you about the end-times.
Well you know me Frank, always quick to listen and slow to speak.
So I am looking forward to hearing your thoughts on the endtimes, and I assure you that I will hearken to them most dilligently and thoughtfully and prayerfully and critically and hopefully and excitingly and wonderfully.
The next time we have a news item on the endtime scenario, I am hoping you will "go for it" and post up something of your posttrib wotsit, and I will give it some serious thought.
As for having work to do on earth. Yep, the Lord has work for both of us to do, in his sovereign will and purpose. What a privilege eh? That the Creator of all things should use the "chief of sinners" in accomplishing his purpose.
John UK wrote: Yes Frank, it is sadly true. But that fact does not prevent you and me from enjoying a peaceable and friendly relationship, knowing that we are fellow pilgrims on the same road, following the same glorious Saviour, and looking for that Beulah Land way beyond the blue. Indeed, the only people who can enjoy peace on earth are the people of God. Like Paul, we might prefer to be away and with Christ; but again like Paul, we might want to stay awhile, that we can be some use to our Lord and benefit others. "For to me, to live is Christ, and to die is gain." Unfortunately, we have forgotten that this is the whole attitude of Christianity, and we get caught up in so many other unworthy things.
Perfectly said! I agree with your points. As a pilgrim, this is not my home, but since the Lord hasn't taken me to my real home yet, He must have a reason for leaving me here. If for no other reason, perhaps it is to teach you about the end-times.
Frank wrote: Heh Pilgrim! But you and I would agree that the following is what has, is and will occur in the future. 2 Timothy 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
Yes Frank, it is sadly true. But that fact does not prevent you and me from enjoying a peaceable and friendly relationship, knowing that we are fellow pilgrims on the same road, following the same glorious Saviour, and looking for that Beulah Land way beyond the blue. Indeed, the only people who can enjoy peace on earth are the people of God. Like Paul, we might prefer to be away and with Christ; but again like Paul, we might want to stay awhile, that we can be some use to our Lord and benefit others. "For to me, to live is Christ, and to die is gain." Unfortunately, we have forgotten that this is the whole attitude of Christianity, and we get caught up in so many other unworthy things.
Michael Hranek wrote: John UK Shhhhhhhh. Don't talk to loud but what good is a massive nuclear stockpile when cowardly politicans would rather their citizens go to the ovens than offend their friends in the Religion of Peace, or whatever, you know the ones that get special invitation into the white house, by using it on them, or anyone else who wants to start throwing WMDs around.
Michael, I suppose the only good is that it keeps thousands of public sector workers in paid employment at the expense of the poor man in the private sector who is working hard to earn a crust.
What a sad world it is when trillions are spent on armaments which in theory can never be used. The world powers need their heads looking at. Countries are going broke just to keep a balance of supposed power.
I often think of heaven, and consider what a difference it will be when we arrive and find that no sin exists there, and all is at peace, wonderful and beautiful and friendly and healthy. And our Lord Jesus Christ to worship genuinely, as one bride and no schisms.
John UK wrote: Yes Frank. And it would also be more honest to say, "In Our Massive Nuclear Weaponry and Deterrent We Trust", for saving the nation from obliteration.
John UK Shhhhhhhh. Don't talk to loud but what good is a massive nuclear stockpile when cowardly politicans would rather their citizens go to the ovens than offend their friends in the Religion of Peace, or whatever, you know the ones that get special invitation into the white house, by using it on them, or anyone else who wants to start throwing WMDs around.
We have without a doubt lost the wars in Iraq & Afganistan. This article shows why.
Behind N. Korea, Iraq and Afganistan are the #2 and #3 top persecutors of Christians.
We have no moral standing in the world anymore. They have thrown out God and Christianity. There is no more good, or any religious moral compass in our military.
We have lost the wars in those countries and we are losing the USA at the same time.
Frank wrote: Our gods are what we esteem the most. It is either the God and Father of our Lord, or it is something He created; like nature or wealth, governments,etc. The "in God we trust" on our money is simply a form of idol worship and has no spiritual significance.
Yes Frank. And it would also be more honest to say, "In Our Massive Nuclear Weaponry and Deterrent We Trust", for saving the nation from obliteration.
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But since I am a post-triber, we might get the lesson in anyway.
let me count the ways: "the false divisions in christianity known as denominations..."
