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Although largely underreported, Satanic subculture and so-called devil worship has been a factor in numerous other mass killings, including the recent Batman shooting massacre.

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John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Neil wrote:
Sorry, but I missed it. I'm looking for a simple integer percentage, not a sob story full of irrelevant detail. You're great at storytelling.
Thank you Neil, that is a great complement.

Now then, integers. The man has a wholesale warehouse. He buys in British made pullovers and his costs per pullover work out at £10.00. And so, marking up 150% he sells them on to retailers at £25.00 They in turn have to mark up 150% and put them in the shop at £62.50.

Now at the time when the American car manufacturer Ford sent over reps to begin making cars in the UK, it was not long before every other car you saw on the road was a Ford. Thousands had good jobs with good wages, and they went out and bought pullovers. The staff selling the pullovers bought a Ford, and all was well. Until the guv in their wisdom starting importing Japanese cars by the thousands which so competed with Ford that before long all the Ford workers were out of work, on the dole, and could no longer afford a winter woolly.

The wholesaler was making no money any more, so he travelled over to India, where he found people willing to work from home and sell him pullovers for £0.50. So he took them on and started making a packet again.

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News Item12/26/12 8:12 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
John UK wrote:
Neil, I posted an edit for you if you noticed it not.
[blah blah boo hoo hoo] That's another sad ending.
Sorry, but I missed it. I'm looking for a simple integer percentage, not a sob story full of irrelevant detail. You're great at storytelling.
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News Item12/26/12 7:50 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Neil wrote:
You still dodge my question & talk like a politician. What's enormous, excessive, or realistic?
What does it take to get a straight answer out of you?
Neil, I posted an edit for you if you noticed it not.

Excessive profit? Simple. If you have shareholders, you have to make a percentage more on each sale to pay them. So your prices must be raised by the same amount. And so what should cost you 80 dollars will now cost you 95 dollars.

And how does the person have the money to pay the extra 15 dollars to feed the shareholder who sits at home watching share prices all day. He asks for a rise from his employer. His employer won't give him one. So he goes on strike. He's an ambulance driver, and when you're lying by the roadside needing assistance, he's on strike and no ambulance comes. That's another sad ending.

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News Item12/26/12 7:39 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
John UK wrote:
Profits must be made, but not excessive ones. Prices must be realistic and flexible.
You still dodge my question & talk like a politician. What's enormous, excessive, or realistic?

What does it take to get a straight answer out of you? You're still playing the pity party tune, as if economic conditions in the UK, a highly-regulated socialistic country, are so easily attributed to laissez-faire capitalism.

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News Item12/26/12 7:35 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Question wrote:
What then do you understand by free enterprise?
My understanding of it is this.
1. For the unbeliever, it is the opportunity to make a good go of a business. There are no holds barred, the ten commandments can be ignored, toes may be trodden on, corrupt business techniques utilised, profits are the only goal.

2. For the believer, it is an antithesis of communism, and is a biblical principle. Honesty, veracity and love must play their part. Profits must be made, but not excessive ones. Prices must be realistic and flexible. The ten commandments must be obeyed even in the business world. The main goal must be the glory of God, pleasing him above all else.

Neil: "Sad endings are not an argument, they're just emotional manipulation."

There are many sad people in the UK today, because their business, worked so hard over, is being swallowed up by giants. Our towns become ghost towns, some without even a Post Office, forcing the elderly to travel by bus to get their pension and a few stamps. This is not manipulation, just plain facts. And if it does not make you weep, or at least get angry, you are a hardened man.

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News Item12/26/12 7:32 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
John UK wrote:
Noel could not compete and lost his shop, and all the locals missed him terribly. It was a sad ending.
Sad endings are not an argument, they're just emotional manipulation. And it proves you have issues with free markets after all. You didn't even bother to distinguish between pharmaceuticals & other businesses.

I think you're a bundle of contradictions, too confused to maintain a rational discussion.

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News Item12/26/12 7:18 PM
Question  Find all comments by Question
John UK wrote:
If Neil searches as hard as he can, he will not find me saying yet that shareholders profit from the sick.
However, let me illustrate.
Noel is a hardworking shopkeeper in Ticson, Arizona. He is married with three children who all work in the family business. They live above the shop, frugally but happy, and attend a local church, as they are all Christians.
Over the way, there is another shopkeeper called Mr Wolmart. He too makes sufficient for his needs, selling similar products. But he is not a Christian, and wants more and more.
So he advertises his business, and promises that if people will give him loads of money, he will ensure the safety of that capital, and give every year a huge bonus payment which he calls dividends.
He is successful in his adverts, and soon he has enough money to open ten other shops. He also has the capital to buy at a discount from major suppliers, and so his prices come down and he sells more and more. Profits go up, and the dividends are massive, so people buy more, sitting at home waiting for the divs to roll in.
Noel could not compete and lost his shop, and all the locals missed him terribly. It was a sad ending.
What then do you understand by free enterprise?
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News Item12/26/12 7:12 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Question wrote:
So what's your answer?
If Neil searches as hard as he can, he will not find me saying yet that shareholders profit from the sick.

However, let me illustrate.

Noel is a hardworking shopkeeper in Ticson, Arizona. He is married with three children who all work in the family business. They live above the shop, frugally but happy, and attend a local church, as they are all Christians.

Over the way, there is another shopkeeper called Mr Wolmart. He too makes sufficient for his needs, selling similar products. But he is not a Christian, and wants more and more.

So he advertises his business, and promises that if people will give him loads of money, he will ensure the safety of that capital, and give every year a huge bonus payment which he calls dividends.

He is successful in his adverts, and soon he has enough money to open ten other shops. He also has the capital to buy at a discount from major suppliers, and so his prices come down and he sells more and more. Profits go up, and the dividends are massive, so people buy more, sitting at home waiting for the divs to roll in.

Noel could not compete and lost his shop, and all the locals missed him terribly. It was a sad ending.

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News Item12/26/12 6:59 PM
Question  Find all comments by Question
John UK wrote:
Far be it from me not to resolve inconsistencies and continue my Ad Misericoriam soapbox speech and judge things I know little about.
What was the query again?
John, that is the problem when one starts preaching on a forum viz. one stops listening!

Neil wrote:

You're inconsistent; if owning pharma shares is wrong (what you ludicrously call profiting from the sick), then why complain about only the rich being able to afford them? If it's wrong for the rich, it's no less wrong for the poor as well.

So what's your answer?

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News Item12/26/12 6:50 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Neil wrote:
Instead of resolving the inconsistency I pointed out, you continue your Ad Misericordiam soapbox speech & judge things you know little about.
Far be it from me not to resolve inconsistencies and continue my Ad Misericoriam soapbox speech and judge things I know little about.

What was the query again?

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News Item12/26/12 6:30 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
John UK wrote:
Ahem. The people who are profiting from the sick are the pharmaceutical companies who charge enormous prices.
Instead of resolving the inconsistency I pointed out, you continue your Ad Misericordiam soapbox speech & judge things you know little about.

Do you know specifically WHY they're charging "enormous" prices? Have you considered the issues of civil liability & regulatory compliance? Who are you to decide what is "enormous," anyway?

Just because Jesus commanded charity towards the sick does not mean the worker should be denied his hire & compelled to lose money on charity cases. If he is too expensive, a competitor will get the business instead, if the hospital buyer has half a brain.

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News Item12/26/12 6:25 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Neil wrote:
You're inconsistent; if owning pharma shares is wrong (what you ludicrously call profiting from the sick), then why complain about only the rich being able to afford them?
Ahem. The people who are profiting from the sick are the pharmaceutical companies who charge enormous prices. Others who are profiting excessively from the sick are the private hospitals who also charge enormous, unwarranted prices. Others who are profiting excessively from the sick are those manufacturers who make electric scooters, which are basically no more than a steel frame with an electric motor. Maybe if ever you get sick sometime and need a stairlift fitted, or need residential fulltime care, you will come to see things the way I see them.

All businesses must run at a profit, but there are many corrupt businesses who make far too much money for money's sake. And I often see the same attitude in professing Christians, more's the pity.

As for medicines or not, I am amazed that some believers claim God to be sovereign in life and death, yet they are first to run off down the road to the GP when they get a tremur. And they claim that GP's are sent by God to sovereignly heal them of all their ailments caused by unhealthy eating.

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News Item12/26/12 6:08 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
John UK wrote:
Neil, first of all I apologise for being tiresome to you.
Secondly, I don't know what it is like in the states, but here the only people that can afford shares are the rich people.
What I find really tiresome is the attitude that the sick are there to be profited from.
When did you ever see Jesus charging for health treatment?
Oh and being self-employed myself, I guess I hardly fit your caricature, seeing as I believe in free enterprise and working hard for the crust on my table.
The Bible is not opposed to capitalism, so why should I be?
You're inconsistent; if owning pharma shares is wrong (what you ludicrously call profiting from the sick), then why complain about only the rich being able to afford them? If it's wrong for the rich, it's no less wrong for the poor as well.

Must I remind you that if there's no profit from medicine, there's little incentive, or means, to develop new ones? Pretty basic economics here.

I don't care whether you're self-employed. What leads me to question your commitment to capitalism is, you, just like leftists everywhere, judge *other* folks' way of making *their* crust, esp. people you don't even know. "Judge not, lest ye be judged."

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News Item12/26/12 5:59 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Neil wrote:
It is soooo tiresome. Not only do I hear the rich repeatedly blamed for social problems in the general media, I get the same line from "conservative" Christians on this site as well. Are there any British here who do not parrot the Fabian anti-capitalist party line?
Neil, first of all I apologise for being tiresome to you.

Secondly, I don't know what it is like in the states, but here the only people that can afford shares are the rich people.

What I find really tiresome is the attitude that the sick are there to be profited from.

When did you ever see Jesus charging for health treatment?

Oh and being self-employed myself, I guess I hardly fit your caricature, seeing as I believe in free enterprise and working hard for the crust on my table.

The Bible is not opposed to capitalism, so why should I be?

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News Item12/26/12 5:44 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
John UK wrote:
...But the rich won't care too much, as they've all got shares in the pharmaceutical companies, who make a fortune selling their tripe to the guv...
It is soooo tiresome. Not only do I hear the rich repeatedly blamed for social problems in the general media, I get the same line from "conservative" Christians on this site as well. UK Fabians & American Progressives really did a number on our culture.

Free enterprise gives one a choice. "Social democracy" does not.

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News Item12/26/12 4:57 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Republic wrote:
Thanks John UK,
Companies like any other. Profit is important. They are not in it for charity.
Don't Pharmaceuticals typically block or alter the body's natural function? Tylenol doesn't fix the problem but blocks the negative affects of the problem from reaching the brain, right?
Which at times is necessary. However I think that it has become the norm, and that is the issue. Nothing is normal or natural any more.
Quite right Republic.

In this country, people eat so badly that their arteries get furred up. When they go to the GP for help, he issues them with medication.

But there are some breakthroughs. Some GP's are now advising sufferers to cease smoking, to drink in moderation, and attend to their diet, making sure they get enough exercise. My guess is that the guv are concerned about the huge NHS bill, and so they are looking for ways to get people healthier in the long term. But the rich won't care too much, as they've all got shares in the pharmaceutical companies, who make a fortune selling their tripe to the guv, who issue it on subsidised prescriptions.

The very thought is enough to make anyone ill, thinking about all this.

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News Item12/26/12 2:24 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
jpw wrote:
Neil --
you are correct G3096 is "mageuo" in Strongs for Acts 8:9 ("sorcery").
also G5331 is "pharmakia" as seen in:
Gal. 5:20 ("witchraft"),
Rev 9:21 ("sorceries") and
Rev 18:23 ("sorceries").
OK, you win on that point. I apologize for not recognizing some of that. It might've helped if you spelled this out to start with, since you should know by now I'm automatically skeptical of your rambling posts.

But as I said before, your methodology is still flawed, in associating pharmaceuticals with sorcery on the basis of etymology alone. It does not logically follow, especially since as the Apostles commended medication (as "Unprofitable Servant" observed), including wine, a fermented beverage, your reasoning condemns them as sorcerers.

Sure God is the Great Physician. So how is that relevant here? Do you think I deny that medications rely on His power to function?

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News Item12/26/12 2:17 PM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
Neil --

you are correct G3096 is "mageuo" in Strongs for Acts 8:9 ("sorcery").

also G5331 is "pharmakia" as seen in:

Gal. 5:20 ("witchraft"),
Rev 9:21 ("sorceries") and
Rev 18:23 ("sorceries").

If you use blueletterbible website and reference Acts 8:9, you will see a link to Vine's reference page. If you do so you will see both Greek words listed, each under the word "sorcery". Under G3095 you will see "sorcerer", which if you link to that will list both "magos" and "pharmakos". "Magos" is a magician, a pretender of magic power. And "Pharmakos" who is devoted to magic powers, especially one who uses drugs, spells, enchantments.

I never said that all medications are sinful. A good doctor is a great blessing. God is our Great Physician.

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News Item12/26/12 1:48 PM
Mac Aroni  Find all comments by Mac Aroni
John UK wrote:
Pharmaceutical companies are what?...
Arminians!! In a secular world.
Whereas
everybody else waits for the Lord to cure all their ills and maladies.

EG: Don't take paracetemol.
Endure your headache until the Lord takes it away.

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News Item12/26/12 1:09 PM
Republic  Find all comments by Republic
John UK wrote:
I think the verse is Galatians 5:20, where the pharmacy word is translated witchcraft.
Also Revelation 9:21 (sorceries); Revelation 18:23 (sorceries); Revelation 21:8 (sorcerers); Revelation 22:15 (sorcerers).
Pharmaceutical companies are what?...
Thanks John UK,

Companies like any other. Profit is important. They are not in it for charity.

Don't Pharmaceuticals typically block or alter the body's natural function? Tylenol doesn't fix the problem but blocks the negative affects of the problem from reaching the brain, right?

Which at times is necessary. However I think that it has become the norm, and that is the issue. Nothing is normal or natural any more.

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