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Choice News THURSDAY, JAN 30, 2014  |  163 comments  |  3 commentaries
Who’s ‘godless’ now? Russia says it’s U.S.

At the height of the Cold War, it was common for American conservatives to label the officially atheist Soviet Union a “godless nation.”

More than two decades on, history has come full circle, as the Kremlin and its allies in the Russian Orthodox Church hurl the same allegation at the West.

“Many Euro-Atlantic countries have moved away from their roots, including Christian values,” Russian President Vladimir Putin said in a recent keynote speech. “Policies are being pursued that place on the same level a multi-child family and a same-sex partnership, a faith in God and a belief in Satan. This is the path to degradation.” ...


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Dopey  Find all comments by Dopey
Apostle John Beechy wrote:
J. Vern taught Statism and that it's ok for believers to kill other believers and unbelievers in the name of Jesus.
Mr. Apostle note carefully the following two verses:

He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
(Hebrew 10:28)

"This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established."
(2 Corinthians 13:1)

At 2/8/14 9:41 AM I gave two witnesses that Dr. Vernon McGee believes Ezekiel 38 refers to Russia ---from Mr. McGees' mouth no less.

Now you no doubt will also wish to obey God in God's way , so will you please provide two or three witnesses that 1. Mr. McGee "taught Statism " and 2. " that it's ok for believers to kill other believers and unbelievers in the name of Jesus." Preferably get the witnesses from Mr. McGee's own mouth as God reveals in the Bible that their are a lot of lying witnesses in the world.

In fact there were lying witnesses that helped crucify the Lord Jesus Christ and we wouldn't want lying witnesses to help crucify Dr. J. Vernon McGee would we Mr. Apostle

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News Item2/8/14 2:42 PM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
John UK wrote:
Caught up, rapture. Okay, that's fair enough, Steve.
Ezekiel 37/8/9 I will refresh my memory by reading them in the morning to see if they refer to modern Israel or not. (I'm not saying I will arrive at an answer though.)
But in the meantime, if you are well acquainted with the said passages, maybe you could post up your conclusions concerning them.
You want my exegesis in 864 characters or less? You overestimate my talents. There are many fine commentaries available on this subject, please feel free to ask any questions you might have understanding them
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News Item2/8/14 2:06 PM
penny  Find all comments by penny
that is quite a sobering scripture John UK. thanks for the reminder, reminds me to redeem the time.
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News Item2/8/14 1:58 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
SteveR wrote:
Nice Scripture choice John UK. However I feel you misspoke in your 'ps.' All Christians believe in a Rapture, just not a secret pre/mid trib one.
1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
What I find distastefully narcissistic about Dopeys delusion is he believes
1) Ezek 37/8/9 are promises to the modern State of Israel
yet
2) has a different definition of Gog and Magog than Orthodox Rabbis IN Israel
Caught up, rapture. Okay, that's fair enough, Steve.

Ezekiel 37/8/9 I will refresh my memory by reading them in the morning to see if they refer to modern Israel or not. (I'm not saying I will arrive at an answer though.)

But in the meantime, if you are well acquainted with the said passages, maybe you could post up your conclusions concerning them.

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News Item2/8/14 1:51 PM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
John UK wrote:
This text is my choice, David.
John 3:36 KJV
36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
I love tightly packed texts, full of sound doctrine and great to preach from.
p.s. I'm ready for a rapture, even though I don't believe in one.
Nice Scripture choice John UK. However I feel you misspoke in your 'ps.' All Christians believe in a Rapture, just not a secret pre/mid trib one.

1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

What I find distastefully narcissistic about Dopeys delusion is he believes

1) Ezek 37/8/9 are promises to the modern State of Israel
yet
2) has a different definition of Gog and Magog than Orthodox Rabbis IN Israel

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News Item2/8/14 1:48 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
penny wrote:
"Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen." Revelation 1:7
Matthew 24:37 KJV
37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Hardly needs commenting on, eh Penny?

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News Item2/8/14 1:44 PM
penny  Find all comments by penny
Dopey, that is a great scripture. as Christ died and rose from the dead, we will rise, with a great shout. reminds of many other scriptures dealing with the resurrection. when Christ returns, that's it, today is the day of salvation.

"Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen." Revelation 1:7

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News Item2/8/14 1:42 PM
Apostle John Beechy  Find all comments by Apostle John Beechy
J. Vern taught Statism and that it's ok for believers to kill other believers and unbelievers in the name of Jesus.
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News Item2/8/14 1:34 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Dopey wrote:
Thanks SteveR, 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12 is my choice.
This text is my choice, David.

John 3:36 KJV
36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

I love tightly packed texts, full of sound doctrine and great to preach from.

p.s. I'm ready for a rapture, even though I don't believe in one.

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News Item2/8/14 10:23 AM
Dopey  Find all comments by Dopey
SteveR wrote:
Back again teaching your same lies...
Stones 1 and 2 are in this thread here: 2/6/14 9:12 AM
Stones 3 and 4 are in this thread here: 2/7/14 9:44 AM
Stone 5 part 1 is in this thread here: 2/8/14 9:41 AM

And Now stone 5 part 2:

That audio exposition by Dr. J . Vernon McGeee that I referred to in Stone 5 part 1 is free and can be downloaded here. Scroll down the page until you get to the Ezekiel download (105 mb) then download it and you will not only have his audio exposition of Ezekiel 38 and 39 but his audio exposition of the entire book of Ezekiel.

*********
Who wants to be the first to rail on Dr. J. Vernon McGee?

Oh wait! I'm to late for SteveR has already done it, for SteveR has called Dr. McGee a liar.

For I, saith the LORD, will be unto her a wall of fire round about, and will be the glory in the midst of her.
( Zechariah 2:5)

So and more also do God unto the enemies of David, if I leave of all that pertain to him by the morning light any that pisseth against the wall.
(1 Samuel 25:22)

SteveR, quite pissing against the wall, that is God.

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News Item2/8/14 9:58 AM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
Dopey wrote:
Stones 1 and 2 are in this thread here: 2/6/14 9:12 AM
Stones 3 and 4 are in this thread here: 2/7/14 9:44 AM
And now the fifth stone Part 1 :
"I believe that in the chapters 38 and 39 that the enemy that is mentioned here is Russia"
Back again teaching your same lies

Jeremiah 28:15 Then said the prophet Jeremiah unto Hananiah the prophet, Hear now, Hananiah; The LORD hath not sent thee; but thou makest this people to trust in a lie.

Jeremiah 28:16 Therefore thus saith the LORD; Behold, I will cast thee from off the face of the earth: this year thou shalt die, because thou hast taught rebellion against the LORD.

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News Item2/8/14 9:41 AM
Dopey  Find all comments by Dopey
Stones 1 and 2 are in this thread here: 2/6/14 9:12 AM

Stones 3 and 4 are in this thread here: 2/7/14 9:44 AM

And now the fifth stone Part 1 :

"I believe that in the chapters 38 and 39 that the enemy that is mentioned here is Russia"

"I want to to also add that when I entered the ministry I did not believe that it referred to Russia. I refused to accept that interpretation. I had been to a seminary that taught Amillennialism, my denominational seminary, and I would not accept it.
And even after I worked for my doctor's degree I did not accept it even at the time of my graduation. But I came to the conclusion I better study this on my own...there are three points of contact that make me know in my own heart and mind that we are talking about Russia."

The above two quotations are the words of Dr. J. Vernon McGee

Those words of Dr. McGee are spoken by him in his "Ezekiel 38 Intro" which is part of his audio exposition of Ezekiel 38 and 39.

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News Item2/8/14 3:23 AM
CAB  Find all comments by CAB
Dopey wrote:
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 ..we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall notprevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven WITH A SHOUT, with the voice of the archangel, and with the (LAST) TRUMP OF GOD: and the DEAD in Christ shall rise FIRST: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together WITH THEM in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord..1 Thes 4:13-18 is foundation stone of "pretrib secret rapture". There are many other stones..with that foundation stone before entire building can be seen clearly.
Great scriptures, but not secret and not pretrib. They show Post Trib, 2nd Coming.

There are only two resurrections, and the second is for the DAMNED (aka Second Death). Rev. 20:6, 14

1Thes. shows the Catching Up HOW.

2Thes. shows the Catching Up WHEN (ie AFTER THE ANTICHRIST)

At the LAST TRUMP 1 Cor.15:52

Jesus said in Matthew 24:29-31, AFTER THE TRIBULATION

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News Item2/8/14 12:43 AM
Dopey  Find all comments by Dopey
penned wrote:
...
Dopey, can you actually show us the pretrib secret rapture in the New Testament? thanks.
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
(1Thessalonians 4:13-18)

Penned 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 is the foundation stone in Scripture of the, to use your words, "pretrib secret rapture".

There are many other stones in Scripture that God set to be used in connection with that foundation stone before the entire building can be seen clearly.

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News Item2/7/14 10:10 PM
penned  Find all comments by penned
Unprofitable Servant, regarding your comments, yep.

Dopey, can you actually show us the pretrib secret rapture in the New Testament? thanks.

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News Item2/7/14 3:11 PM
CAB  Find all comments by CAB
CAB wrote:
20 FACTS on THE BLOOD by F. Viola
Gives life to those who consume it (John 6:53)

DJC49 wrote: CAB ...Do you really believe this? Considering that you are quite the hyper-literalist, I assume we must (according to the text) drink the actual blood of Christ in order to have life! How do we do this? Are the RCs right [concerning transubstantiation]?
______

CAB: The nite before Jesus was crucified he celebrated Passover w/ his disciples, gave bread and wine, said, "This is my body and blood given for you, do this as often as you drink in REMEMBRANCE of me."

Something spiritual happens between believers and Jesus because of his bloody sacrifice, don't know the science of it, but we are in him, he in us, as He is in the Father and Father in Him, one Spirit. Creed says Holy Spirit proceeds from Father and Son TOGETHER. Being born again means God's spirit joins w/ our dead spirit and revives it.

We must stay united to stay spiritually alive. Unrepented sin will dry us up, and if we die dry we go to Hell.

We hunger for his Word (of Truth) and his Spirit.

The Blood is a mystery, has limitless power to save and transform. Read 1 Cor 12. Very heavy duty.

I'd appreciate anybody's sincere revelations on this subject, not to debate but to shed light.

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News Item2/7/14 2:36 PM
Dopey  Find all comments by Dopey
Russia and it's allies will attack Israel and that truth is dealt with in Ezekiel 38 and 39 in the Old Testament.

An event that occurs relatively close to that Russian attack of Israel and is to a degree connected to the attack is the Rapture, an event dealt with in numerous places in the New Testament.

People who read this thread feel free to answer if you are Rapture Ready ?. But anyone answering should take time to study first from Scripture what being Rapture Ready equals, for doing so may keep you from being severely embarrassed in public.

The Rapture Series

A Picture of Imminence

Imminence and the Rapture

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News Item2/7/14 12:00 PM
DJC49 | Florida  Find all comments by DJC49
CAB wrote:
20 FACTS on THE BLOOD by F. Viola

Gives life to those who consume it (John 6:53)

CAB ...
Do you really believe this?

Considering that you are quite the hyper-literalist [the Jews literally gnashed/chomped on Stephen so as to cannibalize him], I would assume that we must (according to the text) drink the actual blood of Christ in order to have life!

How do we do this?
Are the Roman Catholics right [concerning transubstantiation]?

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News Item2/7/14 11:41 AM
Dopey  Find all comments by Dopey
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
Thanks for your response jpw. I did read the link, and just say that anybody can say anything on the internet,(even John Calvin saw that truth ) and even it were true it would not explain the countless democrats including Clinton, Gore, Kerry, etc. who supported an invasion of Iraq until it became politically expedient to ignore the statements they made supporting it.
Unprofitable Servant

For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
(1 Corinthians 3:19)

******************
On another subject --- one that has something to do with Russia the prime theme set forth in the article chosen by Sermon Audio --- but which most "commentators" in this thread seem to be blissfully unaware of:

2/7/14 9:44 AM

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News Item2/7/14 11:07 AM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
penned wrote:
Unprofitable Servant, Did you read the link? What do you think of Chirac's description of our leader's policy? Do you agree with it?
penned wrote:
Unprofitable Servant, Did you read the link? What do you think of Chirac's description of our leader's policy? Do you agree with it?
Thanks for your response jpw. I did read the link, and just say that anybody can say anything on the internet,(even John Calvin saw that truth ) and even it were true it would not explain the countless democrats including Clinton, Gore, Kerry, etc. who supported an invasion of Iraq until it became politically expedient to ignore the statements they made supporting it.
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