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Choice News THURSDAY, OCT 31, 2013  |  38 comments
Rand Paul Says Aid Helps “Worldwide War on Christianity”
In his October 11 speech, Senator Paul accused President Obama of trying to “gloss over who is attacking and killing Christians.”

While carefully making a distinction between the majority of Muslims, who are non-violent, and the minority who condone the killing of Christians, Paul nonetheless said, “there is a worldwide war on Christians by a fanatical element of Islam.”

Observing that even a minority of Muslims constituted large numbers, Paul cited a Pew Research poll that indicated that 21 percent of Egyptians, 15 percent of Jordanians, and 13 percent of Pakistani Muslims “find terrorism acceptable if not laudable.” The senator noted that “if you add up the numbers in just three countries, over 40 million Muslims sympathize with violence against Christians.”

“American tax dollars should never be spent to prop up a war on Christianity. But that is what is happening right now. As Christians ...


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Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Mike thanks for your undeserved kind but true words, but as far as SteveR's comment, I just consider the source and go on.

I did look at the links the jpw gave and further research makes me stand corrected, Christians did fare better under Hussein than after his disposal. Thank you for pointing that out.

But you are going have to help me a little further here, if you don't mind.

How is blaming Bush and not Obama (which Jim from Lincoln did) helping our persecuted brethren? How would preachers in America speaking against governmental procedures and policies help our persecuted brethren? Why do you think that preaching against funding of wars would make donations go down? How would churches dropping 501c status aide our persecuted brethren? If churches lost tax exempt status, for the most part in the ones with which I am familiar, would mean that the givers tax deduction would go down. I haven't met anyone who gives just because it gives them a tax break, maybe you and I fellowship in different circles.
There is no question we make plenty of boondoggles in our Middle East policies, so why is that the believers fault, and what exactly are they supposed to repent of that would change that?

Thanks for your input.

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News Item11/3/13 4:20 PM
William S. Sutherland | Houston, Texas  Find all comments by William S. Sutherland
To paraphrase someone who Jim Lincoln probably holds in high esteem as a fellow Bush-basher, "Poor Jim, he can't hep it. He was born with a Democrat foot in his mouth." Forget ever hearing Jim deal with the current administration in the same way he dredges up W or some other Republican from the past. He obviously refuses to acknowledge the horrendous record of the Impostor from Kenya and his Rules for Radicals agenda. Jim would rather play slight-of-hand than honestly admit that the current administration is a detriment to this country. And when someone like Rand Paul states the obvious, Jim just can't bring himself to give credit where credit is due. No, he resorts to his knee-jerk reaction. If this country or Jim Lincoln is still around in twenty years, he'll still be blaming W for whatever failures the then presiding president is guilty of. He'll probably even dig up W out of the grave to blame him rather than the real guilty party. It makes me think he must have voted for the current Impostor and therefore can't point the finger without sharing in the guilt. PS. NO, Jim, I didn't vote for W, not for govenor nor president.
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News Item11/3/13 9:00 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
SteveR wrote:
Penny
I used to be stunned when admonishing people like these. I thought, how could they not care? I thought perhaps their ignorance could be cured though sharing information, but it never was. Its not just wilfull ignorance, down deep they crave the persecution of Christians
If you think Unprofitable Servant craves the persecution of Christians, you are more to be pitied than anything else. I hope Penny can see through your offerings.
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News Item11/3/13 8:51 AM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
penny wrote:
Unprofitable, I ignore not. persecution of Chrsitians was not worse under saddam, where did you hear that?
Penny
I used to be stunned when admonishing people like these. I thought, how could they not care? I thought perhaps their ignorance could be cured though sharing information, but it never was. Its not just wilfull ignorance, down deep they crave the persecution of Christians
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News Item11/3/13 8:37 AM
penny  Find all comments by penny
Unprofitable, I ignore not. persecution of Chrsitians was not worse under saddam, where did you hear that? they had jobs under him. you haven't researched this topic and you are parroting what you've been told to think. now how bout letting the Iraqi Christians themselves tell you what they think? What I see may look a little different. I see you blaming O and Jim blaming B and what I've done is watched their behavior. they are on the same team as far as I'm concerned. team of self, and look at who B kisses and O bows to. same team. it was B's daddy that announced the NWO at the Congress floor, remember that? where did sddm get his weapons, do you know? which will hurt more considering du, have you seen the numbers lost in this and how a more pro Iranian sect put in power? come on now.

here's a recent article, from a Christian ministry

http://www.opendoorsusa.org/news/2013/10-October/Northern-Iraq-no-longer-safe-for-Christians

even better, look at numbers of CHristians 1991, a million, then 2003, and then afterword plummets....

http://www.christianpost.com/news/open-doors-usa-extremists-want-to-eliminate-christians-from-iraq-58514/

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News Item11/2/13 11:06 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
I tell what I find in my research is that there has been marked increase in the persecution of Christians. You along with Jim blame Bush policy and ignore the fact that persecution was more pronounced under Saddam Hussain in Iraq than after his disposal. Maybe because it doesn't help the blame the United States for all the world's problems game.

The "dumbing down" of churches due to 501c is simply your personal opinion.

So, I don't reckon we will agree but I am sorry that makes you deem me unworthy of joining you in prayer.

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News Item11/2/13 6:52 PM
mourner  Find all comments by mourner
penny wrote:
Unprofitable, the current persecution is ongoing from previous and current leadership. can you not understand this????
/QUOTE]True persecution is because men live godly in Christ Jesus. Christ is the fulfillment of the law. The godly keep the first table commandments imperfectly but recognizably. Many are suffering the results of tyrannical oppressors in power but to know who the persecuted are one one have to know more information then what most news articles give. It is hard enough in ones own nation to recognizing the persecuted. It is godliness not righteousness they are suffering for.
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News Item11/2/13 5:59 PM
penny  Find all comments by penny
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
You don't think it is important to address the CURRENT persecution of Christians in the Middle East? Maybe jpw is right then, we don't have enough concern about our persecuted brethren and are more concerned about scoring political points. God forgive us
Unprofitable, the current persecution is ongoing from previous and current leadership. can you not understand this????

where did the Iraqi Christians who had to all flee (witnesses spoke for years about the disappearance of the Christians) go to? go look it up! now go and look where the globalist jihadists are harming the Christians. you need to get out a map and read up and map this out and get a picture in your mind.

and yes, this is really a dumbing down of the pulpit. in fact, this is just the end result of many years of it.

and maybe when you see, we can both join in prayer for God's mercy on us.

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News Item11/2/13 4:38 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Jim Lincoln wrote:
No, UPS, I'm not saying "Two wrongs make a right," ...
Then why bring it up??? There was nothing in the article that pointed to what happened during the previous administration. You don't think it is important to address the CURRENT persecution of Christians in the Middle East? Maybe jpw is right then, we don't have enough concern about our persecuted brethren and are more concerned about scoring political points. God forgive us
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News Item11/2/13 3:55 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
No, UPS, I'm not saying "Two wrongs make a right," I'm just pointing out that WND and others here who are really want to mix religion and government, (actually it might be a pure religious question) question Baby-face Bush's hand-holding with Arab sheiks, very strange looking. I think I also pointed out if Randy made a modification about foreign aid to Muslim countries contingent on protection those who are not of Islamic faith, that would be a much better idea. Of course no Muslim country would take our money then, and we would be ahead, Israel is famous protecting other faiths, so perhaps they could get the money that would have went to the Muslim countries would be given to Israel? Not that Randy would ever suggest that idea, as I have already pointed out, Like Father, Like Son: Ron Paul Passes the Neo-Confederate Baton to Rand.

Yes, a church that spends a lot of time on politics, has already lost it's interest in being Christian, The Purpose of the Local Church and Community Issues 501c or not.

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News Item11/2/13 12:00 PM
mourner  Find all comments by mourner
penny wrote:
we have a Senator actually trying to speak on behalf of the end times martyrs, ....
Penny, in another thread you agreed with me, but I see it is because you didn't understand what I said. That's okay because on further reflection neither did I, on some points.

When I quoted I Tim 5:22 "Lay hands suddenly on no man, neither be partaker of other men's sins: keep thyself pure."
I believed that Paul instructed Timothy that to lay hands on God's gift of pastor/teacher in ordaining him to the ministry too hastily, would make him culpable for his actions. I inferred the same principle from this and other Scriptures regarding putting men in civil office, without well weighed out thought.

In my place and calling, I believe I can ask no man to take a religious act of worship, which an 'oath' is and swear allegiance to a document that will not acknowledge the authority of Scripture, nor the deity of Jesus Christ, in leading a gospel privileged land. I'd be asking the man to deny Christ. I would be asking him to sin. Mr. Paul has taken that oath. He says some things that are true with many that are not and that is deceptive.

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News Item11/2/13 10:35 AM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
jpw, you are more than welcome to your disdain of the 501c regulations, but you have no proof that allowing members to take as a tax credit their donations is silencing the voice of those churches. There are many churches in my area that speak out against the government and its policies. Why do you say that churches are not speaking against the persecution of the brethren in the Middle East, where is your proof, because they don't in the area in which you live? They were feeding Christians to the lions and burning them at the stake in New Testament times, where are the condemnations of the government by the New Testament writers? Let us keep going, if the churches repent as you admonish, giving up their 501c status gives more money into the hands of the government whose actions you are condemning, how is that a help? I love you dearly but fail to understand you constant condemnation of the church.

Jim, even if what you say is accurate, DO TWO WRONGS MAKE A RIGHT? Are you saying it is okay for Obama to do wrong because Bush also did wrong? Give me a break. I may never understand the "independent" mindset that always cuts down what happens because it was done by Republicans and always defends the same actions because they are done by Democrats.

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News Item10/31/13 11:33 PM
penny  Find all comments by penny
corner, what did you miss about American tax dollars, lets just think this out rationally for a moment. think hard.
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News Item10/31/13 3:52 PM
corner  Find all comments by corner
"While carefully making a distinction between the majority of Muslims, who are non-violent, and the minority who condone the killing of Christians, Paul nonetheless said, “there is a worldwide war on Christians by a fanatical element of Islam.”"

There is no distinction between active and inactive enemies of Christ. All muslims are the enemy of God and His Son.

Jesus said;
Matt 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

Paul taught;
2Cor 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
8 We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but not in despair;
9 Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed;
10 Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.
11 For we which live are alway delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.

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News Item10/31/13 3:04 PM
Mr. Marty McD | usa  Find all comments by Mr. Marty McD
Does Just War really rub you so raw Mr. Jim Lincoln? Heaven forbid my money not be taken under threat of death in order to bomb some brown people across the ocean because an American Corp wants higher profits.... and the cost of life is disregarded. There are Christians all over the world, even if many are only Christian by name alone.
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News Item10/31/13 2:53 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
No, you don't Penny, you have a crackpot spouting his father's nonsense, Like Father, Like Son: Ron Paul Passes the Neo-Confederate Baton to Rand. The great reduction of --nominal-- Christians in Iraq happened under Bush Jr.'s watch.

Admittedly the bribe money we pay out to the Muhammadans, it should be made contingent on how well they protect Christians, of course knowing the Muhammadans that means we would save a lot of money.

Oh, a little statistic you should be interested in, World’s Muslim population more widespread than you might think | Pew Research Center.

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News Item10/31/13 10:46 AM
penny  Find all comments by penny
“American tax dollars should never be spent to prop up a war on Christianity"

and this is one reason why 501 churches have gone silent. they want the donations to keep coming in. also won't talk about the depression we are in.....minus a few Godly pastors. that might make people feel down and hoard their money.

we have a Senator actually trying to speak on behalf of the end times martyrs, but our denominations are not even brave enough to interview him and admit it.... because....their ties have been to these wores.

it is a sickly condition that is remedied through repentance. I wonder if it will be worth it in the end if they keep their churches but lose the Holy Spirit. instead, they play the clown and continue entertaining the crowds week after week.

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News Item10/31/13 10:33 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Surely this will cause Jim Lincoln some distress. If he agrees with Rand Paul, he agrees with a man he calls "demagogue." If he disagrees, he supports the continued arming of the Muslim fanatics, that which Paul opposes. Poor Jim.
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