Pope Francis breaks another barrier as first Jesuit pontiff
Pope Francis is unique not just for being the first Latin American pope. He's also the first Jesuit pope, possibly signaling a renewed emphasis on traditional Catholic theology by the church.
The Society of Jesus, as the Jesuits are formally known, observes a vow of poverty, and as archbishop of Buenos Aires, the former Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio was known for his accessibility and simplicity, said Michael Sheeran, president-elect of the American Association of Jesuit Colleges and Universities.
The new pope has been a vocal opponent of abortion and especially of same-sex marriage, saying in 2010 that its role was to "seriously injure the family." He said the practice deprived children of "the human growth that God wanted them given by a father and a mother."
That position drew a rebuke from Argentine President Cristina Fernandez, who called Bergoglio a relic of "medieval times and the...
Lurker wrote: Thanks for your reply, brother. The jesuit oath, spooky indeed. What they don't (can't) understand is that they will never counter the Reformation as it was God's work and the free from the dictates of church and state vernacular bible in the hands of the plowboy is the crown jewel (Isaiah 55:11). As I was reviewing my post I saw something which had never stood out before in this context..... Isa 26:12 LORD, thou wilt ordain peace for us: for thou also hast wrought all our works in us. "all our works...." Doesn't seem to leave any room for will works of personal merit to cooperate in one's salvation, does it? I ask because of your past experience as a former Catholic. (I believe I remember you saying that.... if not, my bad.) Thanks.
No, your memory is correct. I was raised in a Catholic family, baptized and confirmed a Catholic. There was actually a period when my parents wanted me to be an alter boy. THANK GOD THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN. When God sees me, He sees His Son's righteousness. When He sees my works; He sees His works that were done through me. Yes, fellow ember, all of them.
Your memory isn't bad for an old-timer, but if my older memory is correct, you are still a couple of years behind me.
Frank wrote: Well said fellow ember! When the US House of Representatives chose a Jesuit for their chaplain, I did a little research on them and found the following "oath". Some say it never existed; some say it did, but no longer; so who knows. But, it is interesting and matches the Jesuit history. http://s43.beta.photobucket.com/user/tlthe5th/media/jesuits/a1jesuit_oath.jpg.html But, your comments regarding how God sees things were very good and a blessing to me.
Thanks for your reply, brother.
The jesuit oath, spooky indeed. What they don't (can't) understand is that they will never counter the Reformation as it was God's work and the free from the dictates of church and state vernacular bible in the hands of the plowboy, first revealed in 1560, is the crown jewel (Isaiah 55:11).
As I was reviewing my post I saw something which had never stood out before in this context.....
Isa 26:12 LORD, thou wilt ordain peace for us: for thou also hast wrought all our works in us.
"all our works...."
Doesn't seem to leave any room for will works of personal merit to cooperate in one's salvation, does it?
I ask because of your past experience as a former Catholic. (I believe I remember you saying that.... if not, my bad.) Thanks.
AntiPapist wrote: I ALREADY KNOW YOU "JE[W]SUITS" & LIARS ON SermonAudio Are On Your Way To THE LAKE OF FIRE: I'm Just Letting You Know You Won't Go There Without A REBUTTAL On Earth From THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH & NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH. As I Was Saying Before The "JE[W]SUIT"-moderator & Closet "FREEMASONIC"-moderator "Blanked" &-Or "JE[W]SUITICALLY" "Blacked" Me Out:
Ladies and gentlemen, SermonAudio.com's resident psychopath! Let's give him a big round of applause! Because we all knew his antisemitic, nonsensical rant was not too far behind as soon as the Pavlovian bell in his head rang "Jesuit…" oh what, I'm sorry, "Je[w}suit!" Hey pal, get some new material, please. Your predictability combined with your paranoia are well-versed. Please repent and believe the Gospel of Messiah Jesus.
Why is this James White character on here?. Why is this sean harris guy here as well? These usurpers of the word are playing both sides of the fence. They hold apostate copies of the 'word of God' in their hands, then critisize the people who take their stand on the KJV which,translated by roman catholics and puritans, was translated to be the 'chief good one' of all translations. The puritans and the church of the Lord Jesus Christ were certainly fine with using it for over 300 years. It's been about 140 years now that the westcott and hort unbelievers trashed and mutilated the word of God into english. And since that time, there has been copy after copy after copy of these satanic influenced unbelieving translators. If there is any agreement with roman catholicism, it's that it is guilty of an false representation of the Lord Jesus Christ and his true church. Which gives their lives to get the word to others. All that i see and have experienced thus far from the popish perpetrators, it the persecuting of bible believing born again of the word and will and Spirit of the living God christians. While its jesuits pretend friendship and 'fellowship' with 'christian' terms and phrases, they stand against and holy and just God who knoweth their hearts! The truth divides ask the Lord.
"During the reign of Benedict XVI in 09, Piper was asked on video if he had two minutes to question the Pope on an issue, what would he ask, and he chose the subject of justification.
"I think Rome and Protestantism are not yet ready – I don't think the Reformation is over..." he said in the video.
"He then proceeded to detail the question he would ask the Pope. "'Do you teach that we should rely entirely on the righteousness of Christ imputed to us by faith alone as the ground of God being 100% for us, after which necessary sanctification comes? Do you teach that?'" he said in the clip.
"And if he said, 'No, we don't,' then I'd say, 'I think that right at the core of Roman Catholic theology is a heresy,' or something like that," he added.
"In a new post on Thursday, however, Piper conceded that 'heresy' is a strong word and attempted a more nuanced explanation of what he meant by his comments.
"I am thankful that God is willing to save us even when our grasp of the gospel may be partial or defective."
For Piper, as of today, the Reformation is officially over.
Christopher000 wrote: I wanted to add that I chose to go this route because every single Roman Catholic I have tried to speak to thus far became instantly angry and defensive. Listen to this: The very last lady that I tried to speak to became angry as well. Everything was okay for the first few minutes, but then I brought up the topic of Mary. She became hostile and said in a sharp voice, "I don't know what the Bible says, but she is our holy mother!" The conversation ended there.
Ah yes, within minutes of being made pope, Francis was praying to Mary in front of thousands of happy-clappies.
I wanted to add that I chose to go this route because every single Roman Catholic I have tried to speak to thus far became instantly angry and defensive. Listen to this: The very last lady that I tried to speak to became angry as well. Everything was okay for the first few minutes, but then I brought up the topic of Mary. She became hostile and said in a sharp voice, "I don't know what the Bible says, but she is our holy mother!" The conversation ended there.
I am currently building a website that addresses the Roman machine. Doctrine by doctrine, dogma by dogma, ritual by ritual. I'm building it to be very user friendly, going topic by topic, exhaustively, but in an interesting, factual, informative, and readable way so as not to lose, confuse, or overload anyone. This isn't an easy thing though because there is so much information and history. The title is: Roman Catholocism: The Worlds Greatest Mass Deception.
I have also started a mirror or it which will be a PowerPoint presentation that will also be converted to a video for YouTube. I still have a lot of work left though.
"Some may wonder what the point of reflecting on Rome is for a Protestant. At least threefold, I would respond. First, Protestants benefit from a conservative papacy: on public square issues such as abortion, marriage and religious freedom, the RCC has a higher profile and more power - financial, legal, institutional - than any Protestant group. We all benefit from the cultural and legal power of the RCC in these areas. Second, your neighbours probably do not distinguish between Christian groups. A sleazy, morally corrupt RCC is like a sleazy, morally corrupt televangelist ministry: we are all marked with the same brush in the public eye and our task of evangelism becomes that much harder. Third, RC authors often offer more penetrating insights into secular culture than their evangelical equivalents. Comparing George Weigel to Rob Bell in such circumstances is akin to comparing Michelangelo to Thomas Kinkade."
Are there any Reformed Christian leaders giving a Biblical critique of the selection of the new pope? If the media is correct that 1 out of 4 Americans is Roman Catholic, we had better get busy sharing the Gospel and telling others the truth. Also, I want to thank and praise the Lord for those commenting on this post.
Christopher000 wrote: Aside from the unregenerate, John, I was mainly speaking of the currently religious. Those who belong to cults, false religions, or even mainline churches but seriously comprimise the Bible to suit their lifestyles, or the lifestyles of others to keep the tithes coming in, I guess. Doesn anyone fear God anymore, and for those who know better, what in the world are they thinking? They must have rationalized an eternal Hell right out of the Bible to be so comfortable doing and teaching the things that they do. Thanks for taking the time to actually read my mini books, by the way...ha-ha.
Always a pleasure Christopher. It is great to see your zeal. I wish I had the energy to be so zealous.
Yes, the nominal Christian is unregenerate, as are those belonging to cults. It is not much advantage to be religious, even though they have access to God's word. It takes an enlightenment of the Spirit to break through into darkened hearts. Which is why I praise God continually for his gracious and effective work in my rebellious life, without which I should still be lost and in my sins. It is ALL OF GRACE, the undeserved favour and blessing of God.
Aside from the unregenerate, John, I was mainly speaking of the currently religious. Those who belong to cults, false religions, or even mainline churches but seriously comprimise the Bible to suit their lifestyles, or the lifestyles of others to keep the tithes coming in, I guess. Doesn anyone fear God anymore, and for those who know better, what in the world are they thinking? They must have rationalized an eternal Hell right out of the Bible to be so comfortable doing and teaching the things that they do.
Thanks for taking the time to actually read my mini books, by the way...ha-ha.
Christopher000 wrote: ...What I don't understand is how people will spend so much time exhaustively researching big ticket purchases, health care, vacation spots, choosing a gym, or whatever the case may be, but when it comes to where they will spend eternity ,they simply continue to believe whatever it is they had been taught growing up or whatever it is that fits their lifestyles. People will exhaustively research the worldly things that they feel are important, but when it comes to where they will spend eternity, instead of opening their Bibles, even for a moment, they choose to believe whatever lies or fantastical things that happen to spew from the mouths of mere sinfilled men. I don't understand this and I never will.
It's a fact, brother. And to the human mind incomprehensible and bizarre. But the natural man is in such a fog about these things that he wouldn't know where to turn even if he does come to think of eternity and where he is going. And yet he will apply his mind, as you said, to all sorts of things which are non-spiritual.
I remember what is was like to be unregenerate, to have no spiritual life. And I liken myself in those days to a lifeless living corpse, wandering about aimlessly.
...What I don't understand is how people will spend so much time exhaustively researching big ticket purchases, health care, vacation spots, choosing a gym, or whatever the case may be, but when it comes to where they will spend eternity ,they simply continue to believe whatever it is they had been taught growing up or whatever it is that fits their lifestyles. People will exhaustively research the worldly things that they feel are important, but when it comes to where they will spend eternity, instead of opening their Bibles, even for a moment, they choose to believe whatever lies or fantastical things that happen to spew from the mouths of mere sinfilled men. I don't understand this and I never will.
John UK wrote: "...they would know even now if they were to read their Bible and see how unbiblical is the whole of the RCC system."
This is what has bothered me from the beginning and continues today, and every day. God has provided His complete word for each of us. The Bible contains all that we need to know for salvation and Christian living. Even though we have this supernatural book, provided by God himself, so many choose to trust mere men for where they will spend eternity, never looking into the facts for themselves which makes no sense to me at all No matter what children are taught growing up, and no matter what we believe into young adulthood, we all become thinking, rational adults who are responsible for finding our own truth which isn't difficult. Seems most people stick with whatever they were taught to believe while growing up...never questioning it even though so many things are either fanciful or just plain obviously wrong. Even when they are prove. Wrong time and again, they choose to stick with whatever is comfortable for them, even when they are aware that there will be no 2nd chances to get things right. What I always thinks about is how people will spend so much time exhaustively researching prices before buying big ticket items, choosing health
Angela Wittman wrote: I was surprised at the coverage given to the election of a new pope by the local media and the lack of questioning or information about the history of the Jesuits or even why the superstitious rites such as the wearing of red shoes, etc. ---
Maybe he will tap his heels together and say to himself "There's no place like Rome...there's no place like Rome..."
I found UPS's link interesting, I don't quite agree with all its Eschatology, I found it's information on The Jesuits informative.
I will agree with the article the last two Popes were planning a greater evangelism campaign, The New Catholic Evangelization and the newest Catholic in Lincoln was drawn into this false church by it.
This newest Unholiness, is an Argentinian of Italian descent, highly educated, as most present day Jesuits are, and perhaps moral and honest. He could be one of the greatest dangers to Christianity, yet (q.v. Should Roman Catholicism really be classified as a Christian religion? -- No. (PDF) )--if he straightens up the Romish Church even some. He is going to have a lot of appeal to members of the Romish Church in Latin America which have been leaving it, in large numbers.
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