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2.5 Million Alcohol-Related Deaths Worldwide- Annually
Based on the analyses of 100 individual country profiles, The World Health Organization (WHO) has released The Global Status Report on Alcohol and Health focused on analyzing available evidence on alcohol consumption, consequences and policy interventions at global, regional and national levels.
The harmful use of alcohol is a global problem which compromises both individual and social development. It causes harm far beyond the physical and psychological health of the drinker, including the harm to the well-being and health of people around the drinker. Alcohol is associated with many serious social and developmental issues, including violence, child neglect and abuse, and absenteeism in the workplace.
The harmful use of alcohol (defined as excessive use to the point that it causes damage to health) has many implications on public health as demonstrated in the following key findings:...
Christopher000 wrote: In case I wasn't clear, if I wanted to have a drink, I would, without any reservations. For me, I'm just better steering clear of it. I would never raise an eyebrow to someone elses choice though.
Interesting comments; I am a teetotaler by choice as well, but my Christian testimony has certainly influenced that decision. In addition, I am concerned that if I drank, it could cause a "weaker" brother or sister to stumble. I don't want to be the cause of that.
I know of nothing in Scripture that prohibits the intake of alcohol, but am familiar with the verses some have quoted here warning against drunkenness. I avoid it altogether because I don't even want to risk becoming a drunkard. The loss of credibility to my testimony, the risk of the sin of drunkenness, and, most importantly, blaspheming the Lord's name is simply not worth it.
I don't think we should be so hard on Rufus. The Bible in more than one spot indicates radical actions in avoidance of sin. Our Lord said to pluck out eyes and amputate limbs. Paul said he bruised his body and brought it under subjection. lest he be a castaway. Even our Lord resisted unto blood. (Hebrews 12:4) I don't believe you will meet an alcoholic that didn't start with just drinking moderately. The best path is to avoid it, pass not by it, and turn from it and take heed when we think we stand lest we fall. "Everything is permissible for me," but I will not be brought under the control of anything. " (I Corinthians 6:12)
I just read some very good comments below, comments from both sides. Other than the small percentage who have a drink here and there for the health benefits, like a glass of red wine with a meal of red meat, I really don't see the point. I , for one, don't care for the taste of alcohol and would drink solely to loosen up, have a good time, and get drunk, or close to it. Honestly, I think the goal for most people is to catch a buzz, otherwise, why not just drink fruit juice, soda, water, or whatever...see what I mean? Once they catch that buzz, a rusty door that says, "do not open" in their brains begins to slowly creak open and they become very susceptible to doing, saying, or being talked into things that they normally wouldn't. I think most people are very weak and catching a buzz in a social setting can be fun, or come unexpectedly, so it's better , for me anyway, to just stay away all together.
If I was to argue from life experience, my own and others, then I would undoubtedly condemn in the strongest terms the drinking industry, and the carnage which results from it. If I had the power I would make it illegal. But I wouldn't stop at alcohol, I would make all things illegal which caused hurt to anyone. The world would be vastly different after I had dealt with it.
However, the very principles of my life are not based on anything other than the word of God. At my conversion, I bowed the knee to the Great Jehovah, and became subservient to him and his ways. Therefore if I want to know anything, I have to find the principle in the Bible. Now I am a teetotal by choice, but I would certainly not enforce such on any other brother, as I do not find it to be a command of scripture. Indeed I find the opposite, I see the OT Jews drinking regularly. Indeed, such was the strength of the wine and strong drink, that they had to be warned against excessive drinking. The Nazarite vowed not to touch strong drink, ONLY for the time of the vow.
The NT saints had to be warned of excess, even at the Lord's Supper.
I once asked some current Jews about the strength of their Passover wine, and they said about 12%, which is equivalent to sherry.
Got drunk the first time I had 2 pints of beer (moderation?) Having been brought up in a hard working man's drinking culture,- in prison for something I did through being inebriated. Having seen a friend commit suicide solely due to inebriation. Having seen professional men drunk on 2 pints of larger. Having drunk regularly in student bar seeing 18 year old females tasting their first alcohol drink, staggering around after 2 glasses of wine, being sick and ending up in a strangers bed. Having witnessed the same debate previously on SA , then having a phone call that my 6ft 2 son was on a machine in emergency hospital at the age of 15...through having his first alcohol with friends- 3 glasses of (pop tasting) cider; some one needs to convince me 'moderation' always equals 'safe' BUT you won't convince me that your daughter or son can handle alcohol or always drink moderately, as I KNOW the dangers from real experience!
It was a writer who is against abstinence who writes about watered down wine as 'the common wine' and drank when water supply was bad- often contaminated etc.
Moderate drinkers today are abstaining from alcohol for the same reason as C H Spurgeon was convicted by 1884. I am not against moderate drinking!
Frank wrote: Okay brother, I agree that in the case of leaving my house, I did take it to absurdity. So, I will advise people to drink on the side of caution and not "draw nigh to drunkedness". You and I agree on this.
Yes, we agree. Our difference is at what point one is drunk. I believe someone who drinks alcohol begins to have their reaction times and discernment dulled after the first drink, with each successive drink the individual becomes dumber and makes dumber decisions often times leading to drinking more as well as other sins.
I believe God wants us to abstain from the appearance of evil, wants us to make no provision for the flesh and desires that we be given up to sound minds. I thus believe God's commanded BAC is 0.00. What do you believe his commanded BAC is?
Rufus wrote: If I was using my logic, my logic would be your logic. The logic is not to take the verse to an absurd extreme, the logic is to not go near the wine nor go near the strange woman. The logic is to make not provision for the flesh. Proverbs 3 3 For the lips of a strange woman drop as an honeycomb, and her mouth is smoother than oil: 4 But her end is bitter as wormwood, sharp as a two edged sword. 5 Her feet go down to death; her steps take hold on hell. 6 Lest thou shouldest ponder the path of life, her ways are moveable, that thou canst not know them. 7 Hear me now therefore, O ye children, and depart not from the words of my mouth. 8 Remove thy way far from her, and come not nigh the door of her house Romans 13:14 - But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.
Okay brother, I agree that in the case of leaving my house, I did take it to absurdity. So, I will advise people to drink on the side of caution and not "draw nigh to drunkedness". You and I agree on this.
Frank wrote: But then if I use your logic; it would be better to never leave your house at all. ...
If I was using my logic, my logic would be your logic. The logic is not to take the verse to an absurd extreme, the logic is to not go near the wine nor go near the strange woman. The logic is to make not provision for the flesh.
Proverbs 3 3 For the lips of a strange woman drop as an honeycomb, and her mouth is smoother than oil: 4 But her end is bitter as wormwood, sharp as a two edged sword. 5 Her feet go down to death; her steps take hold on hell. 6 Lest thou shouldest ponder the path of life, her ways are moveable, that thou canst not know them. 7 Hear me now therefore, O ye children, and depart not from the words of my mouth. 8 Remove thy way far from her, and come not nigh the door of her house
Romans 13:14 - But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.
GregPasty wrote: Watered down wine wouldn't get you drunk but it would contain alcohol at a ratio of 20:1 or more (the 20 being water). There was no water supply to homes so this wine drinking was common place. How did they drink in moderation in the Bible if 2 cups of wine today can get you 'drunk'? An interesting question? Consider how thirsty families would be with no water supply, needing to drink therefore plenty of watered down wine. Strong drink and undiluted wine in the Bible would get you drunk! ---
No water supply? I read several times of wells for water in Scripture, but not of 20:1 watered down wine.
John UK wrote: You've mentioned this before, brother.
Watered down wine wouldn't get you drunk but it would contain alcohol at a ratio of 20:1 or more (the 20 being water). There was no water supply to homes so this wine drinking was common place. How did they drink in moderation in the Bible if 2 cups of wine today can get you 'drunk'? An interesting question?
Consider how thirsty families would be with no water supply, needing to drink therefore plenty of watered down wine.
Strong drink and undiluted wine in the Bible would get you drunk!
Drinking unwatered wine would be a personal choice, but likewise always the choice of the one who liked to get drunk! Moderation? Well some one define it! The problem is that we know two glasses today can get you drunk, so what was moderation in the Scriptures with undiluted wine and strong drink-was it the same as today? Did 2 glasses make you drunk If so what is moderation then and today?
Modern Drink Industry is different for so many reasons! Read Dr Masters booklet which NEEDS to be considered biblically and especially in relation to the drinks industry. Much easier to read that booklet!
John UK wrote: You've mentioned this before, brother. Now what I need to know is, what is the difference between a 'modern alcohol industry' drink which makes men drunk, and a 'watered down wine in the Bible' which gets men drunk?
I has a guess....U has to drink more in bible times to get drunk innit?
Anne wrote: it is not mine to decide for anyone else. I do not look down on those who choose to refrain as their conscience may be weak and I wish not to offend. Cheers, to everyone else!
I liked your entire comment, (but scripture does say the marriage bed is undefiled); especially the above part. I have seen people who were risking their lives for Christ who drank, but when they were in the presence of those who thought it was a sin, they refrained. I have seen those who were risking their lives for Christ who believed that "any" alcohol usage was in fact a sin, but tolerated those who didn't think that way. I remember this wonderful fellow who would put the glass to his mouth and pretended to drink, but he didn't swallow it. Reminds me of a fellow who once said he didn't inhale.
But, in "all" circumstances, if someone asked me if drinking alcohol was in and of itself a sin according to scripture; I would in "all" circumstances say NO. Anyway, good comment.
Even worse the Government are so concerned about horse meat appearing in processed meat foods...when the horse meat is probably the most healthy part- as no one has noticed any difference in the taste! It is the other ingredients that are the real problem
If one Greggs sausage roll is ok to eat A sausage roll ; imagine if you had two and began to stagger around like a drunkard; slur your words; utter obscenities; beat up your wife and strangers; take off your clothes; spew up etc. how long before sausage rolls would be banned completely or you would be able to purchase only one on prescription?
Yet 2 alchopops; 2 cans of strong larger; 2 glasses of certain wines can lead to the above behaviour and who in the UK cares-so much for safe drinking? Modern alcohol industry is not the same as watered down wine in the Bible!
Rufus wrote: I agree we should not drink alcohol to excess and excess should be defined as one drink. Using your definition of excess...every "excessive" drinker started out drinking "moderately". The solution to avoid fornication is to come not nigh the strange woman's house. The solution to avoiding drunkenness is to look not thou upon the wine.
But then if I use your logic; it would be better to never leave your house at all. In that way, I would even get further away from strange woman's house.
There was a group of Pharisees (no I am not saying you are like them) that use to walk with their heads down. In that way, they were unlikely to look upon a woman to lust after her.
But, if someone asked me if they should drink at all; I would say no. If they asked me if taking a drink was a sin; I would say no unless your thought it was.
Rufus, if we try to follow your "logic", does this mean married couples shouldn't have relations because it could lead to some perverted fornication or lust? Should we never spank our children because some people beat theirs? Stay away from banks, in case the amount of money causes us to covet and envy? Should Christians never eat at buffets because of the gluttony involved? How about guns! Do we rid ourselves of such things that others have weilded in sin?
The Bible is replete, clear and direct - the excess of things permissible is the sin. And your snipit of text, please follow through... "Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright." As in when your eyes are bloodshot and you are drunk.
Indeed, many have history where alcoholism has ruined something. And yet I would venture to say there are more on the other end - who do drink but do so under Biblical responsibility. I respect anyone's choice in this matter; it is not mine to decide for anyone else. I do not look down on those who choose to refrain as their conscience may be weak and I wish not to offend.