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Ohio court spars on science teacher's creationist lessons

State Supreme Court justices sparred with lawyers on Wednesday in a heated hour of arguments over the extent to which a now-fired public school science teacher had the right to push his religious beliefs in class.

A lawyer for the school board that dismissed John Freshwater in 2011 said he waved a Bible at his students, handed out religious pamphlets and espoused creationism in his evolution lessons.

Freshwater's attorney, Rita Dunaway, said accounts of Freshwater's class conduct were exaggerated and he was exercising his academic freedom to explore controversial ideas.

She said the board's decision to dismiss Freshwater showed hostility toward religion. ...


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John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
With respect wrote:
In pilgrims progress what books did pilgrim have for his journey from the city of destruction to the celestial city? He travelled light & carried just the one book that mattered!
Greatly appreciated your testimony. The Lord leads his people, and the Spirit guides into all truth.

But if you remember, the pilgrim was quite befuzzled as to which way to go, when he was under conviction of sin, and seeking to flee from the city of destruction. In God's providence (and remember you said that the Lord deals with individuals individually) he came upon the man named Evangelist, who pointed out the way for him to go: "Do you see yonder light?"

Now the instruction given by Evangelist could have been verbal, or a little tract, or even a book or booklet. In this modern age, it could even have been a CD with a gospel sermon by Peter Masters, or a USB stick with several sermons on it, or a link to EternityWhere.

I myself was converted through listening to testimonies on tape, and did not have a Bible until a friend also was converted and he bought some Bibles to read.

As Willy Mullan said, There are many ways which lead to Christ, but only Christ leads to God."

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News Item3/7/13 7:29 PM
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America wrote:
I would like to also add my experience as a young Christian saved out of Romanism.i had a AV study bible (good old Matthew Henry) but found myself reading his comments in the margin instead of being a Berean.I now have a Bible (text only) that I search and pray over for wisdom.The Holy Spirit is the best teacher.But have been helped along my journey by several old Puritan writers along the way.But I know that I will give an account for what I did with Gods Word not man's writings.
Just my thoughts.
valuable thoughts!

Thanks for sharing.

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News Item3/7/13 7:24 PM
America  Find all comments by America
I would like to also add my experience as a young Christian saved out of Romanism.i had a AV study bible (good old Matthew Henry) but found myself reading his comments in the margin instead of being a Berean.I now have a Bible (text only) that I search and pray over for wisdom.The Holy Spirit is the best teacher.But have been helped along my journey by several old Puritan writers along the way.But I know that I will give an account for what I did with Gods Word not man's writings.
Just my thoughts.
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News Item3/7/13 7:01 PM
With respect  Find all comments by With respect
It is after all the Bible which is called the sword of the Spirit, not Pink, or Ryle or Spurgeon.

Though these men may be of help along the way, being fallible they may also hinder your understanding, if you do not check critically everything that they write.

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News Item3/7/13 6:50 PM
With respect  Find all comments by With respect
goodbooks wrote:
God used the book FIRST..
And this now colors how you think the Lord should deal with everyone else. What is the bible pattern?

As a young Christian I determined to study nothing but the bible and spent the first 4 years studying just the Bible. As I knew no better I was worshipping in a Charismatic church. As I read my bible prayerfully the Lord brought many verses and chapters to my attention which clearly showed that the Charismatics had got it all wrong on the gifts. I had no other books. It was only after this that I picked up a book from the Charismatic position to see how or why they thought the gifts were for today. Now, and this is the telling thing, there were many subtle arguments which appeared to have scriptural support, BUT because I had been studying the bible only I saw through the errors and their very arguments confirmed me in my opposition!

If you will but use your God given brains and the help of the Holy Spirit there will be many a Gordian knot of error that you will be able to cut right through.

In pilgrims progress what books did pilgrim have for his journey from the city of destruction to the celestial city? He travelled light & carried just the one book that mattered!

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News Item3/7/13 6:24 PM
goodbooks  Find all comments by goodbooks
Christopher

Note the reviews on the books mentioned and how folk were 'challenged'.

1991 I was sent some Protestant tracts witnessing to Roman Catholics and a book called: Five English Reformers by J C Ryle. Having been converted in 1990 I had no idea about Romanism, but wept as I read the chapter 'Why our Reformers were burned'. I mentioned the tracts to my Pastor at my FIEC Evangelical Church, he told me he had better fellowship with the local RC Priest than Calvinists and that Catholics were saved. He told me to 'throw the tracts on the fire'. Little did he know how God was working in my heart through that book chapter! So does God speak through sound Christian books. Ryle showed me the blasphemy of the mass and caused me to search the scriptures. God used the book FIRST then brought his child to the BIBLE as Berean.

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The Sovereignty of God

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News Item3/7/13 4:55 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
@Goodbooks, and With respect, thanks for chiming in and taking the time to post!
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News Item3/7/13 12:50 PM
With respect  Find all comments by With respect
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
I agree that Spurgeon was and is unique. Paul said be followers of me as I am of Christ. I do believe we should all chose to meditate as Mr. Spurgeon did deeply upon the Word of God and am for using good Christians books as a means of grace for our spiritual profit. I was just saying that books should not be neglected, which you indicated you believe. I think we are both saying the same thing. May, by His grace and for His glory, the Word of Christ dwell in us richly that we may use it as our sword in our battle against the world, the flesh, and the devil.
We agree.
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News Item3/7/13 12:48 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
With respect wrote:
Spurgeon was one in a million, and a full time pastor from a very early age. Are you suggesting that he be a model for all Christians?
I agree that Spurgeon was and is unique. Paul said be followers of me as I am of Christ. I do believe we should all chose to meditate as Mr. Spurgeon did deeply upon the Word of God and am for using good Christians books as a means of grace for our spiritual profit. I was just saying that books should not be neglected, which you indicated you believe. I think we are both saying the same thing. May, by His grace and for His glory, the Word of Christ dwell in us richly that we may use it as our sword in our battle against the world, the flesh, and the devil.
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News Item3/7/13 12:16 PM
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John UK wrote:
Our model is the Lord Jesus, and as far as we know he never read any books.
But Ingleesi is an example of what I said earlier, and today countless folks benefit daily from his insights gained through study and prayer.
The context of my comment was the habit of reading books other than the Bible. I was not suggesting that he be a model in any other way.

As for the Lord Jesus being a model for reading habits, do remember John that he as God is omniscient.

The other fact about Spurgeon that US does not mention is that he enjoyed a formidable memory. One anecdote handed down to us suggests that he had photographic memory and could recite whole paragraphs merely given a page number, and that after the first reading of a book!

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News Item3/7/13 11:59 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
With respect wrote:
Spurgeon was one in a million, and a full time pastor from a very early age. Are you suggesting that he be a model for all Christians?
Our model is the Lord Jesus, and as far as we know he never read any books.

But Ingleesi is an example of what I said earlier, and today countless folks benefit daily from his insights gained through study and prayer.

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News Item3/7/13 11:42 AM
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Unprofitable Servant wrote:
btw, Spurgeon was an avid reader from his earliest youth. He particularly liked Rutherford and Bunyan. He had no college education, when he went to meet about that, the person at whose house he was to meet the guy from the college put Spurgeon in one waiting room and the guy from the college in another, and never the twain did meet as neither knew the other was there. So, his education was from the many books he read and his obvious deep meditation upon the Scriptures.
Spurgeon was one in a million, and a full time pastor from a very early age. Are you suggesting that he be a model for all Christians?
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News Item3/7/13 11:19 AM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
btw, Spurgeon was an avid reader from his earliest youth. He particularly liked Rutherford and Bunyan. He had no college education, when he went to meet about that, the person at whose house he was to meet the guy from the college put Spurgeon in one waiting room and the guy from the college in another, and never the twain did meet as neither knew the other was there. So, his education was from the many books he read and his obvious deep meditation upon the Scriptures.
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News Item3/7/13 9:38 AM
With respect  Find all comments by With respect
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
I think we need to be careful not to think of ourselves too highly. Do we really think the Holy Spirit is only able to show us truths and what He has shown other Bible students is not valid for us? Why are preachers commanded to feed the flock if it is just us, the Bible and the Holy Spirit? Those who have written into book form their studies and meditations are extremely helpful to us. Our final authority is definitely the Word of God, but I would be careful about saying we should not study the works of other Bible scholars.
No one is saying that. What we are doing is making a case for the primacy of the Bible, which as you say is our final authority in matters of faith.

The problem in the reformed camp is too much study of extra biblical sources to arrive at dogmatic views. Someone once said, never take a verse alone - but how often do you find, even in Christian literature (unless you are studying commentaries) verses taken out of context to make a case?!

Read other books by all means, but have your wits about you, assuming one has any - and that is the problem that too many read uncritically and therefore come to accept all sorts of rubbish as truth.

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News Item3/7/13 9:28 AM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
I think we need to be careful not to think of ourselves too highly. Do we really think the Holy Spirit is only able to show us truths and what He has shown other Bible students is not valid for us? Why are preachers commanded to feed the flock if it is just us, the Bible and the Holy Spirit? Those who have written into book form their studies and meditations are extremely helpful to us. Our final authority is definitely the Word of God, but I would be careful about saying we should not study the works of other Bible scholars.
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News Item3/7/13 8:33 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
With respect wrote:
Not to mention the huge costs of acquisition, which even those in straightened circumstances cheerfully lay out looking for biblical enlightenment!
Yes, it is odd.

The very best thing any believer can do is be active in the Lord's Service - out there - rather than sitting at home reading excellent Christian books which never seem to have much of a sanctifying effect.

Serious Bible Study, requiring helps, ought to be reserved for fulltime Christian workers, whose work is to teach the saints, and who devote themselves to "the word of God and prayer".

But the generality of saints ought to be more concerned with the practical outworking of their faith, going about doing good, or whatever it is the Lord calls them to do.

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News Item3/7/13 8:19 AM
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John UK wrote:
Yes I quite concur with that observation. There is an addiction born of a desire for knowledge which I think is at the root of this book purchasing and library making. It is the Garden all over again.
The writing and reading of books takes up a huge amount of time, and I wonder how much of it is actually in the will of God. If it is not his will, then it is sin.
Of course, writing down thoughts instead of preaching them is no bad thing, but the average working church member does not have the extra time or energy available to wade through vast tomes.
Not to mention the huge costs of acquisition, which even those in straightened circumstances cheerfully lay out looking for biblical enlightenment!
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News Item3/7/13 8:10 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
With respect wrote:
As I wrote earlier John,
"All I am insisting on is Bible first - use your own brains, develop your thinking faculties, and only then as iron sharpeneth iron compare with the thoughts of others."
Books have their part, but not THE major part that many in the reformed camp seem to think they should have.
I am sure that many reformed believers will have sizeable libraries. I am equally sure that they will only have ever read a very small number of books in their libraries. It is as Spurgeon wrote, many seem to believe that, almost by osmosis, possessing a vast library makes them knowledgeable and wise !
Yes I quite concur with that observation. There is an addiction born of a desire for knowledge which I think is at the root of this book purchasing and library making. It is the Garden all over again.

The writing and reading of books takes up a huge amount of time, and I wonder how much of it is actually in the will of God. If it is not his will, then it is sin.

Of course, writing down thoughts instead of preaching them is no bad thing, but the average working church member does not have the extra time or energy available to wade through vast tomes.

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News Item3/7/13 7:30 AM
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John UK wrote:
I can't help being lighthearted, it's good for my health.
But good books have played their part in my life. When I was confused about the Toronto "blessing" during a stint in a New Frontiers International church, I was greatly helped by some booklets by Ian Paisley which, along with my Bible study and prayerful consideration, got me on the right track.
As I wrote earlier John,

"All I am insisting on is Bible first - use your own brains, develop your thinking faculties, and only then as iron sharpeneth iron compare with the thoughts of others."

Books have their part, but not THE major part that many in the reformed camp seem to think they should have.

I am sure that many reformed believers will have sizeable libraries. I am equally sure that they will only ever have read a very small number of books in their libraries. It is as Spurgeon wrote, many seem to believe that, almost by osmosis, possessing a vast library makes them knowledgeable and wise !

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News Item3/7/13 6:54 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
With respect wrote:
My respect to you and your post.
I can't help being lighthearted, it's good for my health.

But good books have played their part in my life. When I was confused about the Toronto "blessing" during a stint in a New Frontiers International church, I was greatly helped by some booklets by Ian Paisley which, along with my Bible study and prayerful consideration, got me on the right track.

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