While the vast majority of discussion surrounding Pope Benedict XVI’s historic voluntary exit from the Catholic Church has focused upon his next steps, some critics have spent their time pushing for the faith leader to be put on trial following his departure. With Benedict preparing to vacate the papacy in just days, victims rights advocates are open about their desire for his prosecution over the abuse scandal that continues to rock the Catholic Church.
Of course, the image of the pope sitting in a courtroom is relatively outlandish — and an unlikely development. But that hasn’t stopped some from trying to legally pin the crimes of select priests on the head of the Catholic Church. The potential scenario was apparently so troublesome that it was reportedly a factor in Benedict’s decision to continue taking up residence at the Vatican.
One Vatican official told Reuters that Benedict’s decision...
Frank, I still pray for Sandra. Please let me know if anything ever sparks. I know she'll begin turning around at some point so let me know if you ever get any good news, like if she begins asking questions, etc.
The majority of Roman Catholics know nothing of the contents of the Bible other than Romes version of the ten commandments. They are not even aware that the 2nd command has been removed and replaced with a split 10th. The average Roman Catholic has put their complete faith, their eternal security, into the hands of mere sinful men and a church gone wild with fatal anti-Bible, anti-God, anti-Christ doctrines, dogmas, and rituals. Anyway, from what I've read and inferred from the Bible, and Christ's own words, each of us will be held accountable for what we know or don't know because He has provided us with His complete word. His word contains all we need to know for salvation and Christian living...there will be no excuses for being deceived in the end. All oral tradition ended with the Bible and is contained within the Bible...all that God needed us to know anyway. Anyone who adds to or takes away words from this book...
Lurker wrote: "the different states in the process of justification. The Council of Trent assigns the first and most important place to faith... a firm belief in the truths and promises of Divine revelation. The next step is a genuine sorrow for all sin with the resolution to begin a new life by receiving holy baptism and by observing the commandments of God. The process of justification is then brought to a close by the baptism of water, inasmuch as by the grace of this sacrament the catechumen is freed from sin (original and personal) and its punishments, and is made a child of God. The same process of justification is repeated in those who by mortal sin have lost their baptismal innocence; with this modification, however, that the Sacrament of Penance replaces baptism."New Advent (Condensed to conserve space. Scroll down to The Catholic doctrine on justification..)
By SteveR's reading of the Bible the Judaizers were genuine Christians, because their misunderstanding of the crucial doctrine of Justification would have been no bar to entry in heaven!
SteveR wrote: I dont believe that is the correct Biblical explanation of Justification, but doubtfully would exclude one from being saved
"the different states in the process of justification. The Council of Trent assigns the first and most important place to faith... a firm belief in the truths and promises of Divine revelation. The next step is a genuine sorrow for all sin with the resolution to begin a new life by receiving holy baptism and by observing the commandments of God. The process of justification is then brought to a close by the baptism of water, inasmuch as by the grace of this sacrament the catechumen is freed from sin (original and personal) and its punishments, and is made a child of God. The same process of justification is repeated in those who by mortal sin have lost their baptismal innocence; with this modification, however, that the Sacrament of Penance replaces baptism."New Advent (Condensed to conserve space. Scroll down to The Catholic doctrine on justification and read all.)
Compare that to 1689 LBCF - Justification and tell us again that neither "would exclude one from being saved" i.e. both are approved by God.
The nonsense of Purgatory, the Mass, or any of the other sacramental "Get out of Hell, free" card is absolute nonsense, this was pointed out quite well by Mike Gendron in, Exchanging Religion for a Relationship (PDF).
One thing that Mike is wrong about people do print phoney $100 bills, and try to pass them off as real (as has happened in Nebraska), just like the Romish Church tries to pass its phoney salvation plans as real. Are We Really Catholic Bashing? (PDF).
Lurker wrote: I'm going to ask a pointed question which I hope you will answer. Will anyone who abides by the RCC doctrine of justification inherit eternal life? I will look in this evening for your answer.
I dont believe that is the correct Biblical explanation of Justification, but doubtfully would exclude one from being saved
Mark 10:26 And they were astonished out of measure, saying among themselves, Who then can be saved?
Mark 10:27 And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.
SteveR wrote: You think its an insult that something might be hid from you? Only because you know not the scriptures. Problem is, you can fall into two categories [snip]
I could say the same of you, Steve, but what would that accomplish besides massaging my ego? Would God be glorified?
What's in question, here, is your assertion. I'm going to ask a pointed question which I hope you will answer.
Lurker wrote: You do have a tendency to insult those who disagree with you, don't you?
You think its an insult that something might be hid from you? Only because you know not the scriptures. Problem is, you can fall into two categories
Like Elisha
2 Kings 4:27 And when she came to the man of God to the hill, she caught him by the feet: but Gehazi came near to thrust her away. And the man of God said, Let her alone; for her soul is vexed within her: and the LORD hath hid it from me, and hath not told me.
Or the lost
2 Corinthians 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Malachi 1:6 (KJV)" A son honoureth his father, and a servant his master: if then I be a father, where is mine honor? and if I be a master, where is my fear? saith the LORD of hosts unto you, O priests, that despise my name. And ye say, Wherein have we despised thy name?" The RCC has never honored the true God the Lord Jesus Christ by obeying His commandments and following His Word. They have always worshiped what they defined as God and their version of His commands. If they are the ones making that decision, who is the the master? There is a reason we call God, God. How can you say they have worshiped Jesus as the one true God when they are the ones who set up the parameters?
SteveR wrote: Out of context? Perhaps you are blind or its been hidden from you? Anyways, how many do I need before you convict all of them? 100? 50? 10?
You do have a tendency to insult those who disagree with you, don't you?
The texts you quoted, well known by most professing Christians whether born again or not, do not make your case.
SteveR wrote: As for me and my family, I will stand with Father Abraham James 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
The Pharisees believed God also. Yet they crucifed Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ who said they were of their father the devil.
Lurker wrote: My, my. A multitude of posters on several threads have asked you to defend your assertion that there are born again Christians in the RCC and all you come up with is a couple out of context prooftexts .
Out of context? Perhaps you are blind or its been hidden from you?
Anyways, how many do I need before you convict all of them? 100? 50? 10?
Even Father Abraham appealled for Sodom
Genesis 18:23 And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked?
Genesis 18:24 Peradventure there be fifty righteous within the city: wilt thou also destroy and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein? ... Genesis 18:32 And he said, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak yet but this once: Peradventure ten shall be found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for ten's sake.
As for me and my family, I will stand with Father Abraham James 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
SteveR wrote: You need to understand that ALL our Churches fall short, and there is probably a very good reason why the Lord keeps many of his people in the RCC as we ALL have missed the mark. He keeps them there because its better for them, for their cursing or for their blessing. Romans 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Begging the question.
You still have offered no evidence that that which you assume to be true is true.
Halur wrote: a) Suggest you read Romans 7:14-25 and redefine your definition of sin. b) If by asking me to read the Bible you want me to reach the misguided conclusions you have about heretical religions; - Then God will not allow me to make that error. Thanks be to God. May the Lord bring you into His counsel and truth.
You need to understand that ALL our Churches fall short, and there is probably a very good reason why the Lord keeps many of his people in the RCC as we ALL have missed the mark.
He keeps them there because its better for them, for their cursing or for their blessing.
Romans 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
SteveR wrote: Continue to read those chapters with a refresher in the Books of History.(Joshua, Judges, Samuel, Kings & Chronicles)
My, my.
A multitude of posters on several threads have asked you to defend your assertion that there are born again Christians in the RCC and all you come up with is a couple out of context prooftexts and tossing out several chapters of scripture followed up with several books of scripture suggesting the answer is there while attempting to shift the onus which lies squarely with you.
Why don't you just be honest and admit that your assertion is your opinion which can't be defended from scripture? Anything less is dishonest and an intentional abuse of God's word.... something that a God fearing Christian cannot do with a clear conscience.
SteveR wrote: a) The definition of sin is literally 'missing the mark.' And you continue to miss the mark b) Continue to read those chapters with a refresher in the Books of History.(Joshua, Judges, Samuel, Kings & Chronicles)
a) Suggest you read Romans 7:14-25 and redefine your definition of sin.
b) If by asking me to read the Bible you want me to reach the misguided conclusions you have about heretical religions; - Then God will not allow me to make that error. Thanks be to God.
May the Lord bring you into His counsel and truth.
SteveR wrote: The definition of sin is literally 'missing the mark.' And you continue to miss the mark..
Actually, that is only partly true. What about "transgression" and "iniquity"? IOW, sin is transgression of the law - overstepping the mark, and it is also perversion, or twistedness!
But, I'm sure your beloved RCC theology doesn't sit comfortably with these notions being a good semi-pelagian that you are.
Halur wrote: Still no answer eh? Ah well perhaps your conviction/contention that God deliberately places some of His disciples in sinful and idolatrous circumstances is as unanswerable as it is unBiblical. God's statement to the Roman Catholic idolatrous and heretical branch of the reprobation is the Bible and the Reformation.
The definition of sin is literally 'missing the mark.' And you continue to miss the mark
Continue to read those chapters with a refresher in the Books of History.(Joshua, Judges, Samuel, Kings & Chronicles)
SteveR wrote: Ezekiel would admonish not only the RCC but our Churches as well
Still no answer eh?
Ah well perhaps your conviction/contention that God deliberately places some of His disciples in sinful and idolatrous circumstances is as unanswerable as it is unBiblical.
God's statement to the Roman Catholic idolatrous and heretical branch of the reprobation is the Bible and the Reformation.
Halur wrote: Ez 8-20 relates to Jerusalem being eyebrow deep in idolatry. If then you are suggesting that the "Christian" in the RCC is put there by God to teach the truth and against the evils of idolatry. - Then my question remains unanswered. Ezekiel is sent to reveal the truth to Jerusalem.
You miss the mark
Ezekiel would admonish not only the RCC but our Churches as well
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Dr. Alan Cairns | 8/3/2009
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is absolute nonsense, this was pointed out quite well by Mike Gendron in, 
Reminds me of someone!
obvious: "
stever
..deception is the work of the devil
you should know,..."
