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The survey has led to concerns that tens of thousands of teachers may face being sacked or disciplined over their views, because of how legislation is worded.


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John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Christopher000 wrote:
JohnUK wrote:
"I have to go take a bath, but back in a while"
A bath? As in bubble bath? Please say "shower" the next time like we manly Americans say. I'm very visual and immediately pictured you sitting in a bathtub and wearing one of those plastic caps with vanilla scented candles everywhere.
Or, am I not wrong? ...hmmm.
Hey, you never mentioned the duck nor HMS Newcastle. Nor the model nuclear sub, nor the Scottish Pipe Band. Nor the piped Jazz Music. Nor even the Waterproof King James Bible - sorry - Authorised Version!

Frank wrote:
More or less. More more than less.
I would have to think of the judgment part and I'm too tired.
Shall we begin again tomorrow? Or have you got a link to a suitable sermon here on SA where I can get the fuller picture? I don't want to wear you out bro.
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News Item2/6/13 3:28 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
John UK wrote:
Let me see now. The man of sin is revealed. He signs a peace treaty with Israel. There is seven years or so of great tribulation. After (post) this tribulation, the Lord descends from heaven with a shout. There is a general resurrection. Believers join the Lord in the air. The final judgment on the world completes.
Is that it?
More or less. More more than less.
I would have to think of the judgment part and I'm too tired.
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News Item2/6/13 3:20 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Let me see now. The man of sin is revealed. He signs a peace treaty with Israel. There is seven years or so of great tribulation. After (post) this tribulation, the Lord descends from heaven with a shout. There is a general resurrection. Believers join the Lord in the air. The final judgment on the world completes.

That is how I understand the timeline. I'm sure my current understanding will be shattered as this conversation continues. I never seem to have much right and this topic is always Interesting.

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News Item2/6/13 3:17 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
JohnUK wrote:
"I have to go take a bath, but back in a while"

A bath? As in bubble bath? Please say "shower" the next time like we manly Americans say. I'm very visual and immediately pictured you sitting in a bathtub and wearing one of those plastic caps with vanilla scented candles everywhere.
Or, am I not wrong? ...hmmm.

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News Item2/6/13 2:33 PM
Rufus | Fort Worth, TX  Protected NameFind all comments by Rufus
Frank wrote:
...scripture are you referring to?
Depends on the portion you are referring to but here are a few worthy of consideration.

Luke 21:36 - Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

1 John 2:28 - And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.

Revelation 3:16 - So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

Galatians 5:21 - Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Revelation 20:6 - Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

1 Peter 4:17 - For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that o

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News Item2/6/13 2:05 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Frank wrote:
Now scripture teaches that the antichrist will sign a peace treaty of some kind with Israel and that will begin the tribulation period which lasts approximately 7 years. So, the tribulation period doesn’t start right before the sounding of the last trumpet, but lasts for several years.
Let me see now. The man of sin is revealed. He signs a peace treaty with Israel. There is seven years or so of great tribulation. After (post) this tribulation, the Lord descends from heaven with a shout. There is a general resurrection. Believers join the Lord in the air. The final judgment on the world completes.

Is that it?

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News Item2/6/13 1:51 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
John UK wrote:
[1] Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and [by] our gathering together unto him, [2] That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. [3] Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; (2Th 2:1-3 KJV)

Apparently these Christians believed the day of the Lord, (His second coming; notice “our gathering unto Him) had already occurred. Paul tells them it can’t occur until the son of perdition (the antichrist) is revealed. Now scripture teaches that the antichrist will sign a peace treaty of some kind with Israel and that will begin the tribulation period which lasts approximately 7 years. So, the tribulation period doesn’t start right before the sounding of the last trumpet, but lasts for several years. As an aside, if this is referring to Christ simply coming back to earth and the gathering is not a rapture, it makes no sense.
Post Tribulation rapture.

Rufus, what scripture are you referring to?

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News Item2/6/13 1:46 PM
Rufus | Fort Worth, TX  Protected NameFind all comments by Rufus
The trouble with the contemporary pre-trib rapture position is not whether or not it will happen, for it will indeed happen. The trouble is in the presumption that all believers will be a part of the first fruits or pre-trib rapture for it will only be those that are accounted worthy to escape the things that will come to pass. It will be those who are already suffering for Christ and are living holy lives.

Those that are lukewarm about their walk will be spewed out of the mouth of Jesus Christ into the tribulation. This would be a motivating doctrine that would encourage folks to righteousness.

The doctrine that tells folks that because they are believers and they have Jesus in their back pocket, they have nothing to worry about so go on sinning, that's a doctrine that's going to get folks in trouble and cause them not to be salt.

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News Item2/6/13 12:49 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
jpw wrote:
the reason I ask, is that many I have known are sure the rapture will come before they face trials of the faith.
I have also noted that most pre-trib preacher teach more about the tribulations that their like-minded followers won't undergo.

Now I am not justifying my position, but I tend to be a separatist, so I might be adding to the problem you are speaking about. In other words, I think the world is completely evil except for the saints that belong to Christ. But, I would agree with you that being salt and light includes warning people of the evils of today and what is to come regardless of the personal cost to us.

Each of us will likely be tested to see if we are genuinly in the faith. God already knows, but it will strengthen us and strengthen our faith and will document our relationship to each other. But, there will be a time when the wheat and tares will be separated. I always pray that when I undergo any type of testing that I persevere, but I already know that the Lord will keep me and lead me through it.

I think we will be amazed as the end nears who was really in the faith and who wasn't.

Thanks for the follow up. But now I have to look up blue glovers.

Help, I couldn't find the glovers.

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News Item2/6/13 12:35 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Frank wrote:
Well, if you don't disconnect these verses from 29-31, then it "must" be in the future. The Son of Man hasn't come in the clouds yet! Also, I believe that the reference to Daniel 9:27 is a reference to the antichrist, but I understand that some believe it is actually a reference to Christ.
Righto, so just before the trumpet sounds, and the Lord comes with clouds, there is a terrible tribulation, sufficient to warrant fleeing from it.

Is this what you refer to as "the great tribulation"?

And is the "rapture" when the Lord comes with clouds, and all pilgrims set off to be with the Lord?

I have to go take a bath, but back in a while.

BTW, what is this doctrine you espouse called bro?

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News Item2/6/13 12:30 PM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
thanks Frank, I haven't the time to read through all comments, but of the one response immediately to mine, I have to agree.

the reason I ask, is that many I have known are sure the rapture will come before they face trials of the faith.

I sense this to be a huge issue among these generations living today in the west..... the extreme disconnect between the US participation in Christian martyrdom in the ME, ect, the silence about the blue glovers, the food markets that lead to illness, the boy scout changes in policy, etc..... pastors who have come out of the pretrib rapture, then suddenly become alive to the realities of this generation and become salt again.

what are those who have never counted the cost going to do when persecution comes to their doorstep? isn't this why we fellowship? to exhort and strengthen?

dear brothers and sisters, we need to be strong in the Lord so that we may remain in the faith, instead of like the seed planted in the rocks, when the sun shone down, it had no roots and withered.

people are really losing their jobs for their faith and much more than this. yes, I look forward to Christ's return, but until then.... I live here. And if we are here, then it is God's will to walk us through the fire as well as out of it.

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News Item2/6/13 12:19 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
John UK wrote:
Okay, Matt 24 is about the end of the world. And there is tribulation just before the end. So what is this, bro?...
Matthew 24:15-21 KJV
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Is this to come or fulfilled already?
Well, if you don't disconnect these verses from 29-31, then it "must" be in the future. The Son of Man hasn't come in the clouds yet! Also, I believe that the reference to Daniel 9:27 is a reference to the antichrist, but I understand that some believe it is actually a reference to Christ.
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News Item2/6/13 12:06 PM
Rufus | Fort Worth, TX  Protected NameFind all comments by Rufus
Three kinds of fruit (all believers, all eternally saved). Ripe, Green, Rotten. The ripe will be plucked early (first-fruits). The green will be tried until it is ripe (general harvest and gleaning). The rotten fruit will be plucked and cast out.
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News Item2/6/13 12:01 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Okay, Matt 24 is about the end of the world. And there is tribulation just before the end. So what is this, bro?...

Matthew 24:15-21 KJV
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Is this to come or fulfilled already?

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News Item2/6/13 11:46 AM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
John UK wrote:
Wa Hey, Frank!
Let us begin at the first quote:
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 KJV
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Literal methinks. So where in the timescale does this event occur?
After the tribulation.

[29] Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: [30] And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. [31] And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. (Mat 24:29-31 KJV)

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News Item2/6/13 11:29 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Frank wrote:
John, I don't know where to begin, but I would start with 1 Th. 4.
1 Thessalonians 4:13-17

Okay, John, just remember, literal where literal, figurative where figurative and metaphorical where metaphorical. Just like reading any other book. If we will be raptured is one issue; the timing is the other. Which one do you want to discuss?

Wa Hey, Frank!

Let us begin at the first quote:

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 KJV
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Literal methinks. So where in the timescale does this event occur?

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News Item2/6/13 11:03 AM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
John UK wrote:
That reminds me Frank, you have not yet given me Lesson One.
John, I don't know where to begin, but I would start with 1 Th. 4.

1 Thessalonians 4:13-17
Mark 13:26
Mark 14:62
Matthew 24:30
Matthew 26:64
Revelation 1:7
Acts 1:9 -11

Christopher, yes a good argument could be made that Christians won't undergo at least some of the tribulation period. Those who think that way, separate God's wrath from Satan's wrath. I personally believe that the trib period can be separated and Satan's wrath will be used to separate God's children from Satan's children, (a form of testing if you will) but I don't believe the church will be raptured prior to God pouring out His wrath.

Okay, John, just remember, literal where literal, figurative where figurative and metaphorical where metaphorical. Just like reading any other book. If we will be raptured is one issue; the timing is the other. Which one do you want to discuss?

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News Item2/6/13 7:33 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
I was reading JPW and Frank's comments and my understanding is that the born again Christians alive at it's start won't suffer through it...not the 2nd half anyway. However, I'm well aware of the arguments from both camps.
Either way, I'm really excited that Christ could literally be taking His Earth back, possibly, during my lifetime. Maybe not but I plan to remain ready at all times. Everything is falling into place, just like the Bible said it would and I just can't believe that soon, the words of the Bible will come to life all around us, going from intangible to tangible. Finally, we will be able to see clearly.I think we are in for some very visually strange days ahead.
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News Item2/6/13 2:15 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Frank wrote:
I do believe that the majority of believers will be martyred during this period of time; especially those that continue to be salt and light. Unless the Lord intervenes; that will be the lot of those who witness and warn others about what is taking place during this period of time. Even our families will turn against us, so it will be very difficult.
That reminds me Frank, you have not yet given me Lesson One.
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News Item2/6/13 2:05 AM
PS | USA  Find all comments by PS
The nations are only setting themselves against the LORD and His Anointed one! They will bring their own sin upon their own pates. If God uses them to chastise His people. be sure of this one thing He breaks the rod He uses when He is done with it. God will in NO WAY justify. the wicked doers!
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