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FRONT PAGE  |  10/26/2014
SUNDAY, JAN 20, 2013  |  43 comments
Obama’s Gun Control Proposals Get Support From the Vatican

The Vatican praised President Barack Obama’s proposals for curbing gun violence, saying they are a “step in the right direction.”

The Vatican’s chief spokesman the Rev. Federico Lombardi, said Saturday that 47 religious leaders have appealed to members of the U.S. Congress “to limit firearms that are making society pay an unacceptable price in terms of massacres and senseless deaths.”

“I am with them,” Lombardi said, in an editorial carried on Vatican Radio, lining up the Vatican’s moral support in favor of firearm limits. ...


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News Item1/22/13 11:32 AM
protect them  Find all comments by protect them
Kyle wrote:
Your non-sequitors never cease to amaze me. And it's gun owners who are said to have an irrational fear
The proof of the premise is to be seen at Sandy Hook.

Prevent these massacres of children by removing the guns from the shopping centres, or continue to allow these slaughters by your current moral standards. One or the other!!

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News Item1/22/13 8:32 AM
redskin  Find all comments by redskin
Christopher000 wrote:
I wonder what's with the red rashes around the mouths of anyone posing for a pic out of the Vatican.
Didn't you know that they all wear masks in the Vatican, but take them off for pics?

see

Methinks you exaggerate, but...

More seriously

Man of Sin=Scarlet beast

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News Item1/22/13 8:05 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
I wonder what's with the red rashes around the mouths of anyone posing for a pic out of the Vatican. Check out the priests pic in the "Vatican ok's next Catholic leader for Ireland thread" as well. I saw another on the site recently too but can't remember the news heading.
I just think it's interesting because I've only noticed the rashes, or whatever, on vatican "employees".
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News Item1/21/13 10:27 PM
Kyle | Tucson  Find all comments by Kyle
protect them wrote:
The Right to bear arms of necessity includes the right of some to annihilate 20 six year old kids.
To remove the one necessarily requires the removal of the other. Both originate in the same initial human conviction.
Your non-sequitors never cease to amaze me. And it's gun owners who are said to have an irrational fear.

Martin, that argument will fall on deaf ears. To the gun grabbers on this forum, you are now an anarchist.

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News Item1/21/13 7:24 PM
Martin | Texas  Contact via emailFind all comments by Martin
The Pope has no understanding of the form of government that was established here by the Founding Founders. To encourage the president to ban weapons is to encourage him to engage in unlawful violation of the 2nd amendment to our Constitution, which prohibits the federal government from infringing the right of law-abiding citizens to keep and bear arms. Clearly, the government has no business removing from such citizens firearms that are most effective in self-defense in crisis situations-- for example, in the event that a person's home were invaded by a group of thugs, or in the event that one had to participate in state-led resistance efforts against enemies foreign or domestic. Abolishing the 2nd Amendment outright is not the only way to remove the right to keep and bear arms. Another way is to erode that right gradually by putting in place senseless gun bans that do nothing to curb criminal gun violence in this country, a country in which there are already 300 million guns in circulation. Believe me, the government will never succeed in confiscating all those guns; it will only succeed in weakening the power of law-abiding citizens to defend themselves-- nothing more.
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News Item1/21/13 7:09 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
protect them wrote:
The Right to bear arms of necessity includes the right of some to annihilate 20 six year old kids.
To remove the one necessarily requires the removal of the other. Both originate in the same initial human conviction.
Police and military have the right to bear arms. By your reasoning, that of necessity includes the right of some to annihilate 20 six year old kids.
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News Item1/21/13 7:03 PM
AJP Taylor  Find all comments by AJP Taylor
Your neighbour to the north has remarkably resilient public finances, combined with public healthcare. So much so that the UK just poached Mark Carney from being Governor of the Bank of Canada to become Governor of the Bank of England.

External debt per capita (values stated in US dollars):
USA $52,170

Canada $29,625
EU average $27,864
UK $15,795

It is evidently not public healthcare that drives the worst budget deficits.

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News Item1/21/13 6:23 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
AJP Taylor wrote:
Given that the USA has no universal healthcare programme and has $16bn in public debt (and more in unfunded liabilities) it evidently is not the public healthcare that has been the decisive factor in creating the debt crisis.
Some countries have both public healthcare, balanced budgets and manageable long term debt.
Actually we do and it is already contributing to the deficit and causing healthcare cost to rise. However, you mentioned there are some countries that have both public healthcare and balanced budgets. I have no reason to doubt you, but could not find an example. Would you be so kind as to provide one?
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News Item1/21/13 4:39 PM
AJP Taylor  Find all comments by AJP Taylor
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
Also, if the nations that offer healthcare are showing their appreciation they sure have an odd way of showing it as their healthcare systems are in shambles and most of European nations are going under in debt crisis.
Given that the USA has no universal healthcare programme and has $16bn in public debt (and more in unfunded liabilities) it evidently is not the public healthcare that has been the decisive factor in creating the debt crisis.

Some countries have both public healthcare, balanced budgets and manageable long term debt.

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News Item1/21/13 4:27 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
AJP Taylor wrote:
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If you ask an entire nation to be willing to die and suffer in the service of the nation, then it is fitting and appropriate that that sacrifice was honoured by the creation of affordable heatlhcare for the wounded, widows and orphans....
Not that it is a great system (its failures are but a foreshadow of the one all Americans will have) but we do have healthcare for those who have fought for our country and we do NOT require the entire nation to die and suffer in the service of our country. Also, if the nations that offer healthcare are showing their appreciation they sure have an odd way of showing it as their healthcare systems are in shambles and most of European nations are going under in debt crisis. Which once that happens NOBODY will get any benefits. Also, protect them, the right to bear arms is not a license to kill innocent men, women and children. Nobody that I know of thinks of it that way. Remember, those killings took place in the state with the 5th toughest gun laws in the nation (including a ban on assault weapons) and the killer was denied when he tried to purchase a gun. The problem was not the guns, it was the person controlling the guns.
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News Item1/21/13 3:38 PM
protect them  Find all comments by protect them
The Right to bear arms of necessity includes the right of some to annihilate 20 six year old kids.

To remove the one necessarily requires the removal of the other. Both originate in the same initial human conviction.

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News Item1/21/13 3:24 PM
AJP Taylor  Find all comments by AJP Taylor
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
All that does not address the fact that it is NOT the responsibility of the government to provide healthcare.
Correct, it is not the responsibility of government. It is their privilege and honour, as evidenced by the international examples you have given.

If you ask an entire nation to be willing to die and suffer in the service of the nation, then it is fitting and appropriate that that sacrifice was honoured by the creation of affordable heatlhcare for the wounded, widows and orphans.

Whereas, a nation that suffered little restricts such benefits to its veterans only. A nation that went through the blitz and stood almost ALONE against Hitler honours all its people with a noble, lasting, legacy.

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News Item1/21/13 2:56 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
For jpw, great comment. For Mike, help my memory, for which party do most Catholics vote for in an election? (I believe it starts with the letter d) For Jim, public healthcare leads to LONG waiting times (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/06/19/wait-times.html), fewer choices and higher cost (born in higher taxes on things like gasoline, which is why it is nearly $10 a gallon in UK) EVERYWHERE it is implemented. Already people in UK, since you sighted them, are having medical treatment denied based upon the severity of their illness. It is already starting to have those effects here and it is not completely in force. (see also http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/peter-roff/2009/07/28/statistics-show-canada-healthcare-is-inferior-to-american-system) All that does not address the fact that it is NOT the responsibility of the government to provide healthcare. Just like any other government program it will be the picture of inefficiency, fraud, and waste at the expense of the American people and their health
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News Item1/21/13 2:32 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Ah, Mike N.Y., your indifference to women's health q.v., ...the Affordable Care Act finally makes healthcare affordable and accessible for women.. Is also noted. Or for that matter anyone who can't afford the raising cost of healthcare, Give healthcare a chance to evolve.

I do not like or support the abortion provisions of Obamacare, in fact I would worry that it will turn into being used like the British healthcare system, which for example supported an excellent midwife program (John U.K., can say if that part of the program is supported) and supplies abortions apparently on a whim.

Mike, I would hope some of these abortion provisions will be changed, and on the private sector level I would Christian organizations would increase their help to women who think abortion is the only way out of their problems.

Archie, good to notice that. By the way I had a few ":-7" scattered in my response which is means tongue-in-cheek or sarcasm.

By the way "Animal Farm," was quite :-7 in its approach, and I would still recommend people to read it.

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News Item1/21/13 6:42 AM
Kyle | Tucson  Find all comments by Kyle
It wasn't required for me, so it is at least no longer required reading.
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News Item1/21/13 2:05 AM
Republic  Find all comments by Republic
Animal Farm, by George Orwell was required reading when I was in school. Pretty soon it will probably be confiscated if found on school premises.

The landscape is changing and common sense is again being replaced by fear. The ball was started to roll a long time ago. Bush capitalized on fear after 9/11 with the patriot act and a lot of other freedom robbers. Now we see that the people, instead of being lead by common sense and the Word, are being lead by their fears streight into captivity. Giving away their children's freedoms for the false promises of a snake oil salesman.

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News Item1/20/13 9:12 PM
Kyle | Connecticut  Find all comments by Kyle
This story is just more proof that suppression of the right to bear arms is cultural, not Biblical. If the headquarters of Mormonism and Catholicism were swapped, the Vatican would vehemently oppose any such usurpation of it's member's rights.
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News Item1/20/13 3:43 PM
Archie Tighe-Poole  Find all comments by Archie Tighe-Poole
jpw wrote:
Jim- there has never been an awakening of communism without a group of people who think they are of a higher intellectual class and are specially designed to clamp down on the rest of their fellow citizens to run their lives.
I think you are confusing communism with conservatism.
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News Item1/20/13 3:34 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
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Hey, it doesn't matter where a good idea comes from remember Obamacare came from the Republicans! Republican Origins of Democratic Health Care Provision.
Nice side-step, Jim.

A bad idea remains a bad idea. Your back door support of abortion and bureaucrat led medical decisions has been noted for some time.

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News Item1/20/13 3:24 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Apparently, you haven't read The Perils of Popery, Mike? This is what was said about that famous Republican William H. Seward.
R.L. Dabney wrote:
Nearly two generations ago (the men of this day seem to have forgotten the infamy) William H. Seward, of New York, began this dangerous and dishonest game. He wished to be Governor of New York. He came to an understanding with Archbishop Hughes, then the head of the popish hierarchy in that state, to give him the Irish vote in return for certain sectarian advantages in the disbursement of the state revenues. Neither Rome nor the demagogues have since forgotten their lesson, nor will they ever forget it. It would be as unreasonable to expect it as to expect that hawks will forget the poultry yard.

It is the nature of the demagogue to trade off anything for votes; they are the breath in the nostrils of his ambition....

Of course I use "goose step" in honor :-7 of His Unholiness. Hey, it doesn't matter where a good idea comes from remember Obamacare came from the Republicans! Republican Origins of Democratic Health Care Provision.
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