Pope Benedict XVI on Sunday called on bishops from around the world to revive the Christian faith among those who have forgotten or abandoned it.
The Church needs a new “missionary dynamic” of lay people and must pay “particular attention (to) baptized people who do not live according to the requirements of the baptism,” he said as 262 bishops wound up a three-week huddle that broached all major issues and crises shaking the 2,000-year-old institution.
Clerics must also apply “new methods, a new language that suits different cultures” in their bid for a “new evangelism,” he said during a closing mass at Saint Peter’s....
Observer wrote: I was wrong to say the family likeness extends only to some modern Presbys. I should NOT have excluded RCC trolls Should I be worried by the opinion of our resident devil, the slithery slimy member of the Chimera church?
John Yurich USA wrote: If those individuals in Matthew 7 did not worship Jesus as God then they were unbelievers. Anyone who worships Jesus as God is not an unbeliever.
JY You reaally need to teach yourself how to read the Bible accurately in context of what is right there in front of your face and that of anyone else who would pay close attention to what Jesus Christ actually said AND didn't say.
So look at Matthew 7:21-27 for even in the RC Bible the CONTEXT of what Jesus says is clear. NOT that they worshipped Him as God, He is, the 2 ND Person of the Godhead, AND EVEN THOUGH they called Him, 'Lord, Lord', BUT THAT they DID what He told them, or not.
IMHO I betcha didn't hear that in your brother's non-denominational 'sinner's prayer' church, did you (or did you and you somehow ignored that part)?
John Yurich USA wrote: Kindly answer the question. How can you possibly believe that one who is not Born Again and not guided by the Holy Spirit would have the ability to know that there are some unscriptural doctrines in the RCC? Before embracing Jesus as my Lord and Savior during that Altar Call I did not know that there were some unscriptural doctrines in the RCC. But afterwards I immediately came to know that there are some unscriptural doctrines in the RCC? So that takes care of your stupid notion that one who is not Born Again and not guided by the Holy Spirit has the ability to know that there are some unscriptural doctrines in the Catholic Church.
I've already replied. There are many unbelievers who hold to right doctrine who have no Christian experience and no spiritual life. But you wouldn't understand this. As I said pearls before swine, oink oink!!
Observer wrote: You were guided by self interest to save your own hide! As for your stupid question there are unbelievers who not only love doctrine, they even teach it! So what? It don't make them born again! Pearls before swine! Which is why YE MUST BE BORN AGAIN!
Kindly answer the question. How can you possibly believe that one who is not Born Again and not guided by the Holy Spirit would have the ability to know that there are some unscriptural doctrines in the RCC? Before embracing Jesus as my Lord and Savior during that Altar Call I did not know that there were some unscriptural doctrines in the RCC. But afterwards I immediately came to know that there are some unscriptural doctrines in the RCC? So that takes care of your stupid notion that one who is not Born Again and not guided by the Holy Spirit has the ability to know that there are some unscriptural doctrines in the Catholic Church.
John Yurich USA wrote: I was guided by the Holy Spirit in November 1997 to embrace Jesus as my Personal Lord and Savior during an Altar Call at my brothers Non Denominational Church. If I was not Born Again and guided by the Holy Spirit would I have the ability to know that there are some unscriptural doctrines in the RCC? No I wouldn't. One who is not Born Again and not guided by the Holy Spirit does not have the ability to know that there are some unscriptural doctrines in the RCC.
You were guided by self interest to save your own hide!
As for your stupid question there are unbelievers who not only love doctrine, they even teach it! So what? It don't make them born again!
Pearls before swine! Which is why YE MUST BE BORN AGAIN!
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I was wrong to say the family likeness extends only to some modern Presbys. I should NOT have excluded RCC trolls
Should I be worried by the opinion of our resident devil, the slithery slimy member of the Chimera church?
Observer wrote: The family likeness between these Jews and their modern counterparts (the Presbys) is real strong!
Observer The very fact that you would compare Presbyterians to the unbelieving jews of John 8 demonstrates your inability to discern Gods people from those of the wicked one
You often claim 'Ye must be Born Again,' but you arent there yet yourself. While Baptist doctrine is noticably inferior to Presbyterian, certainly there are Saints in your branch of Christianity. I suggest you seek them out for your own spiritual health rather than spend endless hours trying to convince Yurich he isnt a Christian.
btw-Your efforts are futile, as you cant convince the Elect they arent Saved because the witness they have inside of them on their weakest day is more powerful than your lies on your strongest day.
Observer wrote: More Duh!! Genuine believers are born again. Anyone who is not born again is an unbeliever irrespective of what they maintain they believe. You are in this latter category because you have no experience of the Lord's dealings with your soul. You did something that you think makes you a Christian whereas the Lord does something in the lives of genuine believers. But as I keep saying all this is as pearls before a swine YOU will never grasp this, which is why YE MUST BE BORN AGAIN!!
I was guided by the Holy Spirit in November 1997 to embrace Jesus as my Personal Lord and Savior during an Altar Call at my brothers Non Denominational Church. If I was not Born Again and guided by the Holy Spirit would I have the ability to know that there are some unscriptural doctrines in the RCC? No I wouldn't. One who is not Born Again and not guided by the Holy Spirit does not have the ability to know that there are some unscriptural doctrines in the RCC.
John Yurich USA wrote: I don't believe that anybody who worships Jesus as God is a Christian, but they are not unbelievers either. An unbeliever does not worship Jesus as God. Only those who embrace Jesus as their Personal Lord and Savior are Christians.
More Duh!!
Genuine believers are born again. Anyone who is not born again is an unbeliever irrespective of what they maintain they believe. You are in this latter category because you have no experience of the Lord's dealings with your soul. You did something that you think makes you a Christian whereas the Lord does something in the lives of genuine believers.
But as I keep saying all this is as pearls before a swine YOU will never grasp this, which is why YE MUST BE BORN AGAIN!!
Observer wrote: You don't even understand a simple passage like Matt 7, cuz you ain't a Christian!! If what you hold to were correct then every Romanist is a Christian Duh brain!!
I don't believe that anybody who worships Jesus as God is a Christian, but they are not unbelievers either. An unbeliever does not worship Jesus as God. Only those who embrace Jesus as their Personal Lord and Savior are Christians.
Observer to John Y wrote: You don't even understand a simple passage like Matt 7, cuz you ain't a Christian!! If what you hold to were correct then every Romanist is a Christian!!
John Yurich USA wrote: If those individuals in Matthew 7 did not worship Jesus as God then they were unbelievers. Anyone who worships Jesus as God is not an unbeliever.
You don't even understand a simple passage like Matt 7, cuz you ain't a Christian!!
If what you hold to were correct then every Romanist, Nominal Christian, Sabellian etc is a Christian Duh brain!!
Observer wrote: Matt 7.20-22 Only a spiritually dead person speaks the way you do! Do you suppose those people in Matthew 7 to whom the Lord Jesus said I NEVER KNEW YOU, worshipped another god and then thought to call Jesus LORD and even professed to do things in his name ? PAH! Logic and analytical skills indeed! As I said pearls before swine!
If those individuals in Matthew 7 did not worship Jesus as God then they were unbelievers. Anyone who worships Jesus as God is not an unbeliever.
John UK wrote: Yes it seems so. I'm just thinking out loud here. Here were Jews who Jesus said he knew were of Abraham's seed. That is, they were physically descended from Abraham. And there was a promise given to Abraham's seed. But obviously the promise was not given to all of Abraham's descendents. Because in this passage, Jesus tells them that although they were Abraham's seed, they were not his children. This must have meant in the spiritual sense. In fact their father was the devil, which was not to be taken literally but spiritually also. Thus, if the Presbys want to ascribe baptism as a replacement for circumcision, they have to realise that even if that were true, it counts for nought, because it is the spiritual descendents who are the people of God not the physical desendents. Thus, to claim a new birth and remission of sins for baptised infants is a nonsense, because that is going back to physical descendents rather than spiritual. Thus to baptise an infant without any reference to their spiritual state is a nonsense, and highly damaging to the cause of God.
Observer wrote: The family likeness between these Jews and their modern counterparts (the Presbys) is real strong!
Yes it seems so.
I'm just thinking out loud here. Here were Jews who Jesus said he knew were of Abraham's seed. That is, they were physically descended from Abraham. And there was a promise given to Abraham's seed. But obviously the promise was not given to all of Abraham's descendents. Because in this passage, Jesus tells them that although they were Abraham's seed, they were not his children. This must have meant in the spiritual sense. In fact their father was the devil, which was not to be taken literally but spiritually also.
Thus, if the Presbys want to ascribe baptism as a replacement for circumcision, they have to realise that even if that were true, it counts for nought, because it is the spiritual descendents who are the people of God not the physical desendents. Thus, to claim a new birth and remission of sins for baptised infants is a nonsense, because that is going back to physical descendents rather than spiritual.
Thus to baptise an infant without any reference to their spiritual state is a nonsense, and highly damaging to the cause of God.
John UK wrote: ......44 Ye are of your father the devil...... He .......abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
The family likeness between these Jews and their modern counterparts (the Presbys) is real strong!
Jesus spoke to some of Abraham's seed, but their father was not Abraham, and their circumcision counted for nought.
John 8:37-44 KJV 37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you. 38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father. 39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham. 40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham. 41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God. 42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. 43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. 44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
John Yurich USA wrote: Only someone who is a mentally deranged moron states that one who worships Jesus as God is an unbeliever. An unbeliever does not worship Jesus as God. I have always worshipped Jesus as God. And if Baptism does not impart salvation then it is just a dedication of infants and adults to Jesus.
Matt 7.20-22
Only a spiritually dead person speaks the way you do! Do you suppose those people in Matthew 7 to whom the Lord Jesus said I NEVER KNEW YOU, worshipped another god and then thought to call Jesus LORD and even professed to do things in his name ?
Observer wrote: You are an unbeliever and so you have no spiritual light. No good trying to give you a spiritual education cuz it would be like casting precious pearls before swine! This is evident to anyone who over many years has tried to have any meaningful interaction with you. You have no testimony of the Lord dealing with your soul. You are a hollow professor lacking the substance of true religion.
Only someone who is a mentally deranged moron states that one who worships Jesus as God is an unbeliever. An unbeliever does not worship Jesus as God. I have always worshipped Jesus as God. And if Baptism does not impart salvation then it is just a dedication of infants and adults to Jesus.
John Yurich USA wrote: Why do you keep stating that Infant Bapism is not a dedication of infants to Jesus and that Adult Baptism is not a dedication of adults to Jesus? Baptism does not impart salvation. Therefore it can only be that Infant Baptism is a dedication of infants to Jesus and Adult Baptism is a dedication of adults to Jesus.
You are an unbeliever and so you have no spiritual light. No good trying to give you a spiritual education cuz it would be like casting precious pearls before swine! This is evident to anyone who over many years has tried to have any meaningful interaction with you.
You have no testimony of the Lord dealing with your soul. You are a hollow professor lacking the substance of true religion.
Why do you keep stating that Infant Bapism is not a dedication of infants to Jesus and that Adult Baptism is not a dedication of adults to Jesus? Baptism does not impart salvation. Therefore it can only be that Infant Baptism is a dedication of infants to Jesus and Adult Baptism is a dedication of adults to Jesus.
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CONTEXT of what Jesus says is clear. NOT that they worshipped Him as God, He is, the 2 ND Person of the Godhead, AND EVEN THOUGH they called Him, 'Lord, Lord', 
