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End-Times Christian Movie Series ‘Left Behind’ Set for Hollywood Reboot
While the “Left Behind” series is getting a major face-lift, the team behind the older films is, at least to a degree, intact. Writer, producer and Cloud Ten Pictures founder Paul Lalonde worked on the original series and he’s once again leading the latest effort. Script consultant John Patus, one of the many individuals who worked on “Left Behind: World at War,” the third movie in the series, is also involved in the new project.

While the reboot will follow what the Hollywood Reporter calls “a classic disaster film” format, the essential tenets of end-times theology will still be present. In fact, the film will remain Christian at its core, with the plot, once again, focusing on the survivors living in the hours after the Biblical Rapture. ...


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Huff | Tallahassee  Find all comments by Huff
The archangel michael is primarily the protector of Israel and the Jews. Satan prevails against the saints in the tribulation but God seals 144000 jews to preach the kingdom. God even uses an angel near the end to priclaim it worldwide. Something man has not been capable of doing. There are believers in the trib that have to govthrough the events but that points to christ reaping them in rev 14 at the last battle. The angel reaps and it is thrown to the wrath. Christ reaps or raptures those left. Some say three stages to rapture: the old test saints at Christ in first fruits, the pre or mid trib gathering, and rev 14 at armegeddon.
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News Item10/27/12 12:21 AM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Lurker wrote:
1) Sure would have been nice if God had inspired a user's guide!
2) I'm confused how you can hold to that view in light of Rev 11:15.
Anyway, consider the following:
Rom 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace and bring glad tidings of good things!
Do you recall the source prophecy?
Is 52:7 How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace; that bringeth good tidings of good, that publisheth salvation; that saith unto Zion *Thy God reigneth!*
Now for some relevant context.
Isa 52:11 Depart ye, depart ye, go ye out from thence, touch no unclean thing; go ye out of the midst of her; be ye clean that bear the vessels of the LORD.
Sound like 2 Cor 6:17 & Rev 18:4?
The only inspired hermeneutic I am aware is in Luke 4:16-21 which I use exclusively. That said, I'll not press the matter further.
1. I agree!
2. No conflict what-so-ever
3. Is 52:11 - separation same as 2 Co. 6:14-18. yes, same as 2 Co 6:17 Not the same as Re 18:4
4. I like your hermeneutic.

5. Fair enough brother!

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News Item10/27/12 12:01 AM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Frank wrote:
1) The issue I think is simply hermeneutics.

2) I see the sounding of the last trumphet to be at the end of the great tribulation and signifies the beginning of the day of the Lord and the rapture. My issue is that it is before the 1,000 year reign of Christ.

1) Sure would have been nice if God had inspired a user's guide!
2) I'm confused how you can hold to that view in light of Rev 11:15.

Anyway, consider the following:

Rom 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace and bring glad tidings of good things!

Do you recall the source prophecy?

Is 52:7 How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace; that bringeth good tidings of good, that publisheth salvation; that saith unto Zion *Thy God reigneth!*

Now for some relevant context.

Isa 52:11 Depart ye, depart ye, go ye out from thence, touch no unclean thing; go ye out of the midst of her; be ye clean that bear the vessels of the LORD.

Sound like 2 Cor 6:17 & Rev 18:4?

The only inspired hermeneutic I am aware is in Luke 4:16-21 which I use exclusively. That said, I'll not press the matter further.

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News Item10/26/12 10:00 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Huff wrote:
When the Holy Spirit is raptured, then the restrainer is absent from the world and the antichrist can be revealed. He has only a little time. Since michael threw him out of the third heaven for good.
The only disagreement you and I would have "from what you've posted", is I would not say it was the Holy Spirit who is the restrainer, but the Archangel Michael. I assume your position is a pre-trib position, but at the same time pre-tribers would say the Holy Spirit is God and since God is a spirit, He can't be removed from anywhere. Besides, pre-tribers believe folks will be saved after the rapture of believers. If the Holy Spirit is removed, how can that be? Will He not save then and reside in believers? In order to do that, He of course must be present. Michael makes more sense and does not violate the text in 2 Th 2.; see Daniel 12:1.
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News Item10/26/12 9:16 PM
Huff | Tallahassee  Find all comments by Huff
When the Holy Spirit is raptured, then the restrainer is absent from the world and the antichrist can be revealed. He has only a little time. Since michael threw him out of the third heaven for good.
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News Item10/26/12 9:12 PM
Huff | Tallahassee  Find all comments by Huff
God has a plan from the start to the end. The climax of events unfolded at Christ's second advent are perfect. His millenial kingdom is real. Satan has no place in this period of time. The millenial kingdom is a future event mentioned also by John and Daniel, see Rev. 14:14 and Dan 7:13, same Son of man cloud reference. This is the end of armageddon. Revelation reads with cut-scenes like a hollywood movie. Do not add or take away from that book or be cursed. As for election and free will: none can come to Jesus unless the Father calls them first. There are more verses like this defending election fron Christ's mouth thru the epistles than man choosing God. God selects those saved not the other way around, see Matt. 25:31-46. God is all-everything. Knew I was writing this now but in real time i chose to write it yet He already knew the words. He is outside of time: eternal. The kingdom of the millenial lasts 1000 yrs then comes eternity.
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News Item10/26/12 12:34 PM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
Evil proliferates today-- but Satan was crushed by Christ's death and resurrection. Despite the evil and deception, despite the martyrdoms and suffering, Christ's kingdom is making its influence in the world.

In fact, all evil can do is deceive and destroy.

But God's message brings life, and so evil's day is short.

In Christ, we have the victory, if we remain in Christ.

And there are those of every tribe and nation being saved, even today, and counted in heaven.

The nations cannot be under complete deception, even though they erupt in chaos, the gospel is still going out, and brings light to the nations.

At this point in my life I am amillenial.

The book of Revelations is given to the believer, Jew and Gentile to prepare them for tribulation (as more martyrs in this century than others combined) -- to see Christ's hand on the church, on His people through the storm of life to work out His plan of salvation.

The beheadings, the souls of the martyrs, they sit with Christ today.

The millenium is the glorious age of grace.. a time of great evil, yet great hope for those who believe, an age of eternal consequence.

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News Item10/26/12 11:03 AM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Lurker wrote:
Btw, Frank, I should ask if you interpret the Revelation chronologically or do you see a multiple of separate storylines covering the same timeline after the fashion of the prophets?
The reason I ask is because if you don't see the sounding of the seventh trumpet as an event concurrent with the end of the tribulation which follows the 1,000 year reign
Brother, I don't think that Revelations is always in chronological order. In other words, something in a later verse or chapter may have occured before the previous one. The issue I think is simply hermeneutics. You will say something is figurative and I will disagree and things like that. I see the sounding of the last trumphet to be at the end of the great tribulation and signifies the beginning of the day of the Lord and the rapture. My issue is that it is before the 1,000 year reign of Christ.

Revelations is a fascinating book and even though I think I understand "most" of it, I often can't tie it all together in a reasonable sense.

But, I am really glad the issue came up. Like I said, the one end-time scenario that I knew almost nothing about was the post/mill, so that in and of itself was good for me.

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News Item10/26/12 7:59 AM
bolary  Find all comments by bolary
Huff wrote:
Why the 1000 years? Satan is bound. The saints reign with Christ. Satan is unbound to test man one more time. Why was he in the Garden as a serpent? God tested the first man. Adam failed and curses were put on man, woman, the earth, and the serpent
So your god is not omniscient and omnipotent? Therefore requires a second round of truth and consequence beyond that of his creation?

From this perspective election is a lie!!

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News Item10/25/12 11:46 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Btw, Frank, I should ask if you interpret the Revelation chronologically or do you see a multiple of separate storylines covering the same timeline after the fashion of the prophets?

The reason I ask is because if you don't see the sounding of the seventh trumpet as an event concurrent with the end of the tribulation which follows the 1,000 year reign and the beginning of the great whith throne judgment, then it's unlikely that we will be a able to communicate.

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News Item10/25/12 11:17 PM
Xzoblyjr | Australia  Find all comments by Xzoblyjr
Lets look at Tim LaHaye

He sat in a ceremony with other christian "notables" where Sun Myung Moon leader of the moonies was crowned as Messiah.

Tim La Haye was friends with Mr Moon who he supported in a US jail.

Tim La Hayes first two books has the Pope and Mother Teresa being raptured.

Lets go back to the article and discuss this. Anyone?

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News Item10/25/12 11:06 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Frank wrote:
Revelations 20:2-7 references a thousand year period of time when Satan is bound and Christ reigns. Since the term 1000 years is used so often, you would have to somehow say scripture is using figurative language in repetition. If you are going to analogize those verses, then that method of exegesis can’t be argued, Therefore it has no clear foundation to rest on; no scripture that clearly supports that position. A thousand years, especially used in repetition means a thousand years unless some other verse clearly refutes it.
With all due respect, Frank, your opening proposition, your foundation, is a supposition.... your opinion that because 1,000 years is written more than once in the context of Rev 20 it must be interpreted literally. I can't grant that because scripture, being inerrant, must interpret scripture.

I would ask that you go back to my post and note that my argument is a string of relevant biblical texts which lead to a definate conclusion, although heavily edited because of space limitations. Please read each text from your own bible, in its immediate context, and let me know if you find fault with the overall continuity or any of the links and explain how you believe I erred. Trading arguments won't get us anywhere.

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News Item10/25/12 10:36 PM
Xzoblyjr | Australia  Find all comments by Xzoblyjr
Huff

With all this testing going on you sound like a Class A dispensationalist akin to C I Schofield and Darby.

You also mentioned

"When unbound the prople [sic] born during the 1000 yrs are capable of choosing the King of Kings or joining Satan in rebellion once again."

When do we have the choice. Is God bound by our yes and our no?

God chooses us, because I know that today I am just as unworthy of his grace as when I was first saved.
If God did not save me I would throw in the towel.
this world is becoming so dark why not!
Because my faith is held up by Christ not by might, not by power but by My Spirit.

If you take the literal view of Revelation it becomes a Hollywood feature film.

Careful study needs to be made of this book because this whole book is found in all over the Old Testament.

Christians need to take in wisdom the fact the religious during the birth of Christ argued over where Messiah would come from. Was it Bethlehem, Egypt and Nazareth.
Was not the actual all of them.
Be careful of holding to your faction and not allowing scripture to interpret scripture, and not the newspapers.

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News Item10/25/12 7:50 PM
Huff | Florida  Find all comments by Huff
The thousand years is is found in Isaiah also. Why the 1000 years? Satan is bound. The saints reign with Christ. Satan is unbound to test man one more time. Why was he in the Garden as a serpent? God tested the first man. Adam failed and curses were put on man, woman, the earth, and the serpent. Satan bound leaves temptation absent from his influence, yet Christ rules with a rod of iron. When unbound the prople born during the 1000 yrs are capable of choosing the King of Kings or joining Satan in rebellion once again. The rebels destroyed leaves eternity with how God wants it as true followers worshipping Him and Christ alone. Perfect plan from before the foundation of the World. The 1000 yrs is not figurative or a symbol. Look for key words such as "like" in description of the throne John sees first.
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News Item10/25/12 4:34 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
bolary wrote:
Do you think any of the Book of Revelation is figurative? Frank.
btw; I'm still waiting for somebody to explain why it is that God and Christ require a further 1000 years of time. Is it because God is not sure of the elect?
Yes, I think that some of the book of Revelations is figurative. I try to read it like any other book; if something appears to be or might be figurative, I will ponder whether it is and how that thought impacts the rest of scripture.

I don't have a clue why God will set up the 1,000 year reign, but rather than say He needs it, I would say He does it. I am not a big fan of "middle knowledge", which would imply He needs to do something based counterfactuals and things like that. And, no I will not argue middle knowledge. Most of that is way over my head. I only mentioned it because of the "need" thought.

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News Item10/25/12 4:08 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
bolary wrote:
Do you think any of the Book of Revelation is figurative? Frank.
btw; I'm still waiting for somebody to explain why it is that God and Christ require a further 1000 years of time. Is it because God is not sure of the elect?
It is annoying when God doesn't follow man's complex reasoning, isn't it?
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News Item10/25/12 3:27 PM
bolary  Find all comments by bolary
Frank wrote:
Revelations 20:2-7 references a thousand year period of time when Satan is bound and Christ reigns. Since the term 1000 years is used so often, you would have to somehow say scripture is using figurative language in repetition
Do you think any of the Book of Revelation is figurative? Frank.

btw; I'm still waiting for somebody to explain why it is that God and Christ require a further 1000 years of time. Is it because God is not sure of the elect?

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News Item10/25/12 3:05 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Lurker wrote:
1) Already past.
Your turn.
Revelations 20:2-7 references a thousand year period of time when Satan is bound and Christ reigns. Since the term 1000 years is used so often, you would have to somehow say scripture is using figurative language in repetition. If you are going to analogize those verses, then that method of exegesis can’t be argued, Therefore it has no clear foundation to rest on; no scripture that clearly supports that position. A thousand years, especially used in repetition means a thousand years unless some other verse clearly refutes it. Now, what verse says the Millennium is past, or that Satan has been bound during any period of mankind’s history?

Next, if the Millennium is past; when did Christ reign for a 1000 years? As far as the duration of Christ’s reign being limited to a 1000 year period, I don’t believe that. He already, and has always reigned in the hearts of believers from day one. But, He will reign in person for the 1000 years as literally stated in Re.20. I can’t see Him now, but I will see Him then and I will have a glorified incorruptible body then.

Maybe the resurrection issue next.

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News Item10/25/12 8:54 AM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Wharton wrote:
"Ye do err not knowing the Scriptures" Lurker.
You appear to be like the Sadducees who did not perceive the Resurrection in the OT.
Morning, Wharton.

While it is seldom discussed, indeed there was a resurrection of souls (passover) when God called His son out of Egypt for the just shall live by faith. Yet all who left Egypt, save Joshua and Caleb, perished in the wilderness in unbelief. The gospel didn't profit them, not being mixed with faith. Did they have eternal life?

I'd recommend you review the hall of faith (Heb 11) again, which, btw, includes Abraham and Sarah, and contemplate what better promise has been made to the NC saints which enables us to be made perfect which was not made to the OC saints.

That said, you missed my point. I said, or most certainly meant to say if I was not clear, that the *explicit* promises made to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and their seed included real estate, among other things, but the promise of eternal life was not among His explicit promises. That would not, could not, come until He who is our eternal life came and took the debt of the law out of the way by nailing it to the cross in His own body.

1Jo 2:25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

When?

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News Item10/25/12 6:19 AM
Wharton  Find all comments by Wharton
Lurker wrote:
No answer, eh?
"Ye do err not knowing the Scriptures" Lurker.

You appear to be like the Sadducees who did not perceive the Resurrection in the OT.
Thus do you contradict Christ Himself.
Who replies to you...

Matt 22:29 ... Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,
32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

The OT verse to which Jesus refers is Exod 3:6.

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