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WEDNESDAY, OCT 17, 2012  |  64 comments  |  2 commentaries
Article Calling Mormonism a 'Cult' Removed From Billy Graham Website

An article describing Mormonism as a "cult" was removed from the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association's (BGEA) website following Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney's visit with Graham last week.

The article described The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, commonly referred to as Mormonism, as a group that "teaches doctrines or beliefs that deviate from the biblical message of the Christian faith." Other groups identified as cults in the article include Jehovah's Witnesses, Unitarians, the Unification Church, Scientologists and Spiritists.

The article was removed sometime after Romney, a Mormon, visited Graham at his Montreat, N.C., home last week. Ken Barun, chief of staff for BGEA, said in an emailed statement on Tuesday that the organization removed the article in order to avoid a debate, though he did not specify whether or not the candidate's visit had anything to do ...


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News Item10/18/12 6:09 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Thatposter wrote:
You think he doesn't KNOW THAT?
Hey.....

You trying to emulate someone?

But anyway, if he DOES know that, don't you think he knows about repentance also?

Besides which, repentance and faith are the left and right leg of the sinner who is coming to Jesus for salvation. You cannot have just the one. Neither can you conjure either of them up in your own power. The gospel is the power of God - NOT the power of men. The effect of the Spirit upon men is to bring forth a repentant heart and a trusting spirit, having already brought new life to the sinner who was dead, and he was dead because of his sins.

Maybe you will understand one day.

I heard a preacher once whose gospel sermon never mentioned The Cross, but in the course of his message he preached repentance from sin. I asked him afterwards why he never mentioned the atoning death of the Saviour. Will you believe this? He said, "It wasn't mentioned in my text!"

Now WHO told him to preach from one text? Not God, for sure. Unless it was a text which embraces the whole of the message of the gospel.

Now please calm down and don't allow your anger to win the day in your heart.

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News Item10/18/12 5:21 PM
Thatposter  Find all comments by Thatposter
Frank wrote:
Very well said Christopher.
Why do you question over such silly things? What business is it of yours what another repents of?

I was not arguing with you, I was appealing to a man who is going to Hell and screaming all the way there on this site. You read the whole appeal and all you see is that I didn't mention "faith alone" by 'grace alone.' - To street-preacher? You think he doesn't KNOW THAT? You make sure you foolish foolish men that you NEVER mention repentance without mentioning faith and grace from now on, and word everything correctly and leave nothing out - on that you will be judged and mercilessly.
You aren't even aware that you are not accusing me but accusing The Word of God of NOT wording things the way you want it worded!

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News Item10/18/12 4:24 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Christopher000 wrote:
Thanks Mike. I'm aware of what RC's should repent of once out but I was curious to know what the specific poster felt he/she needed to be in repentance of and renounced upon their exit from the RCC.
I have a backward way of asking questions sometimes, but here's where I was going:
The poster was inferring that only repentance was needed for salvation (as I was understanding it). Then, John posed the question as to whether the poster believes that salvation is through Christ alone. The poster, instead of answering directly, provided several Scriptures that had nothing to do with anything other than the repentance end of things.
I'm aware the RCC is a works based religion and was curious to know whether or not the poster had come to realize this since exiting the church.
Hence the question, what does a RC, the poster in this case, specifically renounce? Amongst the many heritical doctrines, I was curious to know whether working ones way into Heaven would have been on the list since the question concerning faith in Christ alone was avoided.
Very well said Christopher.
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News Item10/18/12 3:16 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
It occurred to me during my daily readings that the faith which saves is the faith which endures; that is, the true belief in the true gospel, held fast to the very end. This is the seed in the good soil. Eg.

Colossians 1:21-23 KJV
21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

If any would therefore seek to move the Christian away from belief in "the hope of the gospel", they are false brethren who would bring the Christian under law and try to put it in his mind that salvation is by the works of the law, rather than the hearing of faith.

This is why I believe Paul said of his preaching, "For I determined to know nothing among you save Jesus Christ and him crucified." This was his most important message, Christ and what Christ has done for sinners, that hearers might come to believe on Christ and be saved.

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News Item10/18/12 3:00 PM
Christopher000 | RI  Find all comments by Christopher000
Thanks Mike. I'm aware of what RC's should repent of once out but I was curious to know what the specific poster felt he/she needed to be in repentance of and renounced upon their exit from the RCC.

I have a backward way of asking questions sometimes, but here's where I was going:

The poster was inferring that only repentance was needed for salvation (as I was understanding it). Then, John posed the question as to whether the poster believes that salvation is through Christ alone. The poster, instead of answering directly, provided several Scriptures that had nothing to do with anything other than the repentance end of things.

I'm aware the RCC is a works based religion and was curious to know whether or not the poster had come to realize this since exiting the church.

Hence the question, what does a RC, the poster in this case, specifically renounce? Amongst the many heritical doctrines, I was curious to know whether working ones way into Heaven would have been on the list since the question concerning faith in Christ alone was avoided.

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News Item10/18/12 2:42 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Lady and gentlemen, you comments are interesting about,
The Roman Road
Romans 3:10
As it is written, "There is none righteous, not even one."
Romans 3:23
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
Romans 5:12
Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned.
Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death; but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 5:8
But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Romans 10:9
That if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved.
Romans 10:13
For "Whoever will call upon the name of the Lord will be saved."---NASB

You don't have the religion of politics trumping Christianity. Billy Graham's Website...

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News Item10/18/12 1:49 PM
Phoebe | Timothy  Find all comments by Phoebe
O Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to you, avoiding worldly and empty chatter and the opposing arguments of what is falsely called "knowledge"-- 21 which some have professed and thus gone astray from the faith. Grace be with you.
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News Item10/18/12 1:46 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
XCath wrote:
Take the wording of my post up with The Word of God.
Do a word study on 'Repent'.
"Therefore repent and return so that your sins may be wiped away." This is what the Bible says.
You want to me to say something other than that?
Yes. Even the cults tell people to repent.

But Christians tell people that salvation from sin is found at CALVARY, where Christ "died for the ungodly", and that the gift of eternal life is by faith in Jesus Christ and what HE has done.

All to him I owe
Jesus paid it all
Sin had left a crimson stain
He washes white as snow.

Do you believe this?

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News Item10/18/12 1:37 PM
XCath  Find all comments by XCath
Take the wording of my post up with The Word of God.
Do a word study on 'Repent'.
"Therefore repent and return so that your sins may be wiped away." This is what the Bible says.
You want to me to say something other than that?
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News Item10/18/12 1:16 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Frank wrote:
....
I'm not sure if the above paragraph is well thought out.
How is your fellowship doing. I am praying every night for it and for your tract ministry.
Yes you are quite right about the judgment, Frank. And any "protestant" who defects to Rome is obviously no Christian.

The pioneering work is going ahead full steam, with a goodly number gathering to hear the word of God. We are blessed by having a brother greatly gifted by the Lord to teach the word. We are still waiting for the first converts, and appreciate your prayers on our behalf. Tracting will commence in November, and carry on through the winter, when most of the folks out on the streets will be locals rather than tourists. The town is inundatd by visitors during the tourist season and, although I like to give them all a tract, at present we are looking to build a church and have it constituted as soon as possible. Our first "breaking of bread" service will be most special.

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News Item10/18/12 12:59 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
John UK wrote:
He certainly should. And while he's at it, he can explain what his moniker means. Is he saying that he is a former Roman Catholic? If yes, is he telling the truth? If yes, can he say what theology he now adheres to? And also, what makes him think that Protestants are going back to Rome?
I agree that his comment "The protestant Christian's who are going toward the Catholic Church at the moment are going so that God can deal with them all together." is at best very confusing. I read that earlier, but didn't pick up on it like you did.

I simply took his moniker (now I know what that is called ) to mean that he was once a Catholic, but not anymore.

If he is referring to the false professing protestants, then I would agree that they are indeed going back to Rome in a religious sense, but that would have no spiritual significance in my opinion; a lost soul is a lost soul. Christ will not use the words RCC or protestant at the judgment. He will dismiss all "sinners" by saying depart, I never knew you.

I'm not sure if the above paragraph is well thought out.

How is your fellowship doing. I am praying every night for it and for your tract ministry.

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News Item10/18/12 12:40 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Frank wrote:
I don’t know if XCath. thinks that if he doesn’t recognize a particular sin and confess it then he will lose his salvation or somehow undo what the Lord Himself has done. Perhaps he should clarify this?
He certainly should. And while he's at it, he can explain what his moniker means. Is he saying that he is a former Roman Catholic? If yes, is he telling the truth? If yes, can he say what theology he now adheres to? And also, what makes him think that Protestants are going back to Rome?
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News Item10/18/12 12:14 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Mike, thanks for your list! It was good.

John, you may have picked up on something. First, I was elected from before the foundation of the world, but I came to Christ at a point of time in history; His election was made manifest to me. When I came to Christ, I did not confess individual sins, but I repented of all sins; it was a general conviction on my part. The Lord showed me that it was my sins that separated me from Him and they had to be addressed. Now, I simply want to walk in a manner worthy of my Lord, not to gain His love, but because He is worthy to be obeyed. I am now an adopted child of God and nothing I can ever do will undo that adoption. I realize on a daily basis that I am still committing sins and when the Holy Spirit convicts me of that, I confess them and turn from them. Christians who do not do this will not lose their salvation, but “will” be punished by their heavenly Father. But, I also realize that I do indeed have the righteousness of Christ applied to me because God’s only standard is perfection and nothing can ever undo that. I don’t know if XCath. thinks that if he doesn’t recognize a particular sin and confess it then he will lose his salvation or somehow undo what the Lord Himself has done. Perhaps he should clarify this?

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News Item10/18/12 10:48 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Christopher000 wrote:
---
I'm wondering what specifically an ex Roman Catholic repents of aside from private personal, everyday issues. I'm curious to know which practices, doctrines, rituals, etc are renounced. Don't take me wrong, ex-cath, I really appreciate your previous posts to me. I'm learning and am wondering this because it seems as though you may not feel that repentance along with faith alone in Christ only is necessary.
Again, not attacking...I'm just a dummy here but I'm curious to hear all sides of topics such as this.
Just a few for starters:

How about repenting of the false doctrine of the Pope being vicar(official representative, stand-in) of Christ?

The making of saints out of dead people?

Holding Mary as ever virgin, thus denying Jesus had brothers and sister?

Holding her as queen of heaven?

Praying to "saints"

Calling a man "father" against Scripture teaching?

Getting sins forgiven by a priest?

Holding the church as equal with the Bible in terms of ultimate truth source. Even so, being taught not from Scripture, instead from RC catechism. In fact, I personally know this has been said, "Do not study the Bible, let the priest tell you what is in it."

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News Item10/18/12 8:18 AM
Christopher000 | RI  Find all comments by Christopher000
Hmmm...I'll be interested to see where this conversation goes. I agree that faith alone in Christ is a basic doctrine that is fatal if not believed and practiced, going hand in hand with repentance.

My curiosity is peaked concerning repentence here. A new believer may repent for general sins, the way in which they've lived their lives, for rejecting Christ up until that point in time, etc, etc, etc.

A Mormon may repent for glorifying and following a mere man as opposed to Christ alone, adding to the word of God, believing that God had a physical relationship with Mary, that we can become gods, etc, etc.

I'm wondering what specifically an ex Roman Catholic repents of aside from private personal, everyday issues. I'm curious to know which practices, doctrines, rituals, etc are renounced. Don't take me wrong, ex-cath, I really appreciate your previous posts to me. I'm learning and am wondering this because it seems as though you may not feel that repentance along with faith alone in Christ only is necessary.

Again, not attacking...I'm just a dummy here but I'm curious to hear all sides of topics such as this.

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News Item10/18/12 5:08 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
XCath wrote:
I believe you step over way too many boundaries and need to be reminded who you are dealing with. For that I will pray. Christ have Mercy.
Mercy?

Your Catholicism has addled your brain with mindless repetition. Observe the truth from the word of God:

Romans 9:15-18 KJV
15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

Do you believe this?

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News Item10/18/12 4:09 AM
XCath  Find all comments by XCath
Repent the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand.
Repent for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand.
Then He began to denounce the cities in which most of His miracles were done because they would not repent.
Repent and believe the gospel.
And they went out and preached that men should repent.
Unless you repent you will likewise perish.
And if he returns saying 'I repent' forgive him.
Peter said 'Repent' and each of you be Baptised in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins and you will receive the Holy Spirit.
Therefore repent and return so that your sins may be wiped away.
Therefore having overlooked the time of ignorance God is now declaring to all men everywhere that they should repent.
Therefore remember from where you have fallen, and repent and do the deeds you did at first; or else I am coming to you and will remove your lampstand out of its place--unless you repent.

I believe you step over way too many boundaries and need to be reminded who you are dealing with. For that I will pray. Christ have Mercy.

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News Item10/18/12 1:57 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
XCath wrote:
There will be no "I'm for Calvin, let me through", "I'm for Luther" step aside. There will be no Catholic or Anglican or Pentecostal.
There will be people praising God.
They are those who repented.
Actually it is those who showed repentance toward God and faith (alone) in the Lord Jesus Christ (alone), namely, God's elect, chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world. These are the only ones who repent and believe, and that, by the grace of God alone.

Do you believe this?

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News Item10/17/12 10:01 PM
stepbside | texas  Find all comments by stepbside
God has never changed His mind to appease a sinner. Avoiding controversy by forsaking the truth is hypocritical at best.
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News Item10/17/12 8:57 PM
Christian | Las Vegas  Find all comments by Christian
This is just another example of how the " church" is sliding down the road to hell. Mormonism is a cult, always has been. Joseph Smith declared that all other Christian churches are an abomination so therefore they are lying when they state they too are Christians! Billy wake up!
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