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THURSDAY, AUG 23, 2012  |  133 comments
How Christian Colleges Become Bastions of Unbelief

What happened to so many once-Christian colleges in the United States? Two fine books describe the decline. George Marsden's 462-page The Soul of the American University shows how once-Protestant universities became secular look-alikes. James Burtchaell's The Dying of the Light: The Disengagement of Colleges and Universities from Their Christian Churches uses 868 pages to show not only how schools moved from liberal theism to secularism but how, before that, they moved from theologically conservative to liberal stances.

I'll try to give the high points of 1,330 pages in fewer than 1,330 words: Three central messages are (1) Follow the money, (2) Watch the college president, (3) See what the college does with Darwin. ...


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Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Indian Hills Community Church has men going out every Monday evening at 6:30 p.m. banging on doors spreading the Word, what IHCCers do individually and that's quite a bit. Remember the thread, Christian Business Sued for 'Religious Discrimination' Over Bible Study? Mike Voss the owner, is a member of IHCC.

What everyone knows the AV is a modern translation! The Claims of the Latin Vulgate-only View! So, as I said, you need to adopt the original Wycliffe Bible as your new Nehushtan to be your idol. The AV is too modern of translation, and too much like the NWT. e.g., Romans 8:26. By the way, I haven't looked all of them, but the Authorized RV has Himself and not itself in at least one verse where AV blasphemes the Holy Spirit.

No, so it goes John U.K.

Only acceptable translations

1. Have Baptists on their translation teams
2. Bibles have to be in contemporary English.

Restating the Obvious about Bible Translation

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News Item8/28/12 6:18 PM
KJV English speaking-Onlyist  Find all comments by KJV English speaking-Onlyist
I said
Can I ask you a question Jim, do your church do street ministry? If you do could tell me where to fine it?

Sorry, I meant if you church had in their website telling about them doing it, because I look in it's men ministry and it did not tell me much about what they do for the men.

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News Item8/28/12 4:09 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
historics wrote:
But Jim
The Baptists were only invented in 1521. And then it took them a couple of centuries before they came to be authenticated by some of the locals.
Ha! Made I smile, that one.

The only thing needed for a good translation is a good honest translator who knows what he's doing.

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News Item8/28/12 3:57 PM
KJV English speaking-Onlyist  Find all comments by KJV English speaking-Onlyist
Can I ask you a question Jim, do your church do street ministry? If you do could tell me where to fine it?
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News Item8/28/12 3:14 PM
historics  Find all comments by historics
Jim Lincoln wrote:
The only acceptable translations are: They had Baptists on the Translation team and are in contemporary English.
But Jim
The Baptists were only invented in 1521. And then it took them a couple of centuries before they came to be authenticated by some of the locals.
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News Item8/28/12 3:07 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Strange, a whole lot of capital letters? I hope this isn't another incarnation of Tony Cisneros? One of the biggest supporters of KJV, besides white supremacists, that are of the Identity: A 'Christian' Religion for White Racists movement.

Speaking of KJV only, the conclusion of a short interesting commentary:

Rick Norris wrote:
Are these claims concerning the Latin Vulgate-only view scriptural? The early English translators including the KJV translators rejected these Catholic claims as unscriptural. Surprisely, KJV-only advocates seem to have revived these same warmed-over Catholic claims as "irrefutable" proof for another incorrect one-translation-only view--the KJV-only view.
from, The Claims of the Latin Vulgate-only View.

The English really could have the best of both incorrect views by saying that Wycliffe's Bible is the perfect Word of God, since it's in English (as a bonus, even more unreadable than Elizabethan ) and translated from the Vulgate!

The only acceptable translations are: They had Baptists on the Translation team and are in contemporary English.

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News Item8/27/12 7:36 PM
Alexander The Least  Find all comments by Alexander The Least
I Got A Question For Ye Folks Who Wonder Why The (Baptist) Rockefeller-Funded "Fundamentalist" University Of Chicago Ever Got Started CONSERVATIVE Right(-Winged); But, Has Ended Up
LIBERAL Left(-Winged):

Doesn't The Old J.D. ROCKEFELLER-Funded "YMCA"--With ITS (THE YMCA's) Symbol Of The INVERTED "TRIANGLE" (ala Body, Mind & Spirit)--Have Anything To Do With IT [THE INVERTED-"TRIANGLE"] 'Complimenting' The RIGHT-SIDE-UP "TRIANGLE" Of The FREEMASONIC FACE Of THE GREAT SEAL On The Back Of Our U.S. One-Dollar-Bill ?

Hmmm.

They BOTH; That Is, The 'CONVERGING' RIGHT-SIDE-UP "TRIANGLE" With The 'UP-SIDE-DOWN [INVERTED] "TRIANGLE" Seem To Be Forming The:

"MOGAN-DAVID" &-Or

THE "STAR OF DAVID" !

My Reliable Sources Tell Me THE ROCKEFELLERS Are REALLY Genetic SEPHARDIC-"JEWS"; Who, With THE ROTHCHILDS (Who're ASHKENAZI-"JEWS") Are Going To PUBLICLY Team Up In The VERY NEAR FUTURE:

TO ANNOUNCE TO THE WORLD THE ANSWER TO THE PRESENT EUROPEAN & GLOBAL FINANCIAL "CRISIS"; WITH A NEW & IMPROVED GLOBAL(IST) ECONOMIC & FINANCIAL SYSTEM--A "MARK" IF YOU PLEASE--TO TRACK DOWN ALL NATIONAL &-OR INTERNATIONAL FINANCIAL-BUSINESS-COMMERCIAL (& 'RELIGIOUS') TRANSACTIONS !

**ALL 18th-thru-20th CENTURY ROCKEFELLER-FUNDED BASTIAN "CHRISTIAN" COLLEGES WERE "SET-UP" FROM THE GET-GO !

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News Item8/27/12 5:16 PM
KJV English speaking-Onlyist  Find all comments by KJV English speaking-Onlyist
Can you tell me Jim why- if the KJV translators believe the "lost books"- then why did they not put them in the canon, when they instead of putting it in the middle? And I want you and no one else answering these question.
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News Item8/27/12 3:07 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
John 1:32 Doug Kutilek Version
32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and He abode upon Him.

Nah! Doesn't hack it, Jim.

This is more like it:

John 1:32 KJV
32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.

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News Item8/27/12 3:05 PM
teachingJim.com  Find all comments by teachingJim.com
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Romans 8:16
Romans 8:26
Jim
Haven't I told you before to get out of the habit of third grade english grammar.

Now here is the dictionary AGAIN.

"it"
1. used to represent an inanimate thing understood, previously mentioned, about to be mentioned, or present in the immediate context): It has whitewall tires and red upholstery. You can't tell a book by its cover.

*****2. (used to represent a person or animal understood, previously mentioned, or about to be mentioned whose gender is unknown or disregarded): It was the largest ever caught off the Florida coast. Who was it? It was John. The horse had its saddle on. ******

3. (used to represent a group understood or previously mentioned): The judge told the jury it must decide two issues.

4. (used to represent a concept or abstract idea understood or previously stated): It all started with Adam and Eve. He has been taught to believe it all his life." (Dictionary.com)

Keep up the homework Jim and you're sure to improve.
Oh and get a copy of the real Bible. KJV.

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News Item8/27/12 2:54 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Considering that Matthew also told us that Joesph was Jesus father, remember the genealogy from Matthew? Joseph was the legal earthly father of Jesus. We know that he had a supernatural father.

Of course remember the Satanic verses in the KJV which blaspheme the Holy Spirit?

Two of the Satanic verses in the AV that blaspheme the holy spirit are,

Romans 8:16

Romans 8:26

Look at the JFB commentary for those two. Thankfully the large portion of conservative Christians have dumped the AV. Part III: From the KJV to the RV (from Elegance to Accuracy).

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News Item8/27/12 2:53 PM
kon Fusion  Find all comments by kon Fusion
Mike wrote:
How about that Luke 2:33? Was Joseph's mother really there?
Mike the question is, Was Joseph there?
Since
NIV
Lu 2.33 "The child's father and mother marveled at what was said about him"
NASB
Lu 2.33 "And His father and mother were amazed at the things which were being said about Him."
Or
"Does God get "amazed?" and "marvel" at things people say about His Son?
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News Item8/27/12 2:40 PM
KJV English speaking-Onlyist  Find all comments by KJV English speaking-Onlyist
It also telling you that Joesph was Jesus's father, which he is not. What the next hole you are going to fall in, Jim.
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News Item8/27/12 2:39 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Yes, if you look at Luke 2:33
And His father and mother were amazed at the things which were being said about Him. NASB
I'd rather look at...
Luke 2:33 KJV
33 And Joseph and his mother marvelled at those things which were spoken of him.
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News Item8/27/12 2:35 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Yes, if you look at, Luke 2:33

And His father and mother were amazed at the things which were being said about Him.---NASB

In the better modern Bibles you'll see it is talking about Joseph and Mary. It can be helpful to have a Bible comparison feature such as you'll find in e-Sword and other Bible programs.

By the way, the notes to the NET Bible a lot of people would consider better than the NET Bible itself. For example, Isaiah 7:14, it has "young woman" (However an unmarried pregnant young woman who wasn't married was probably a candidate for stoning even around the time of Jesus. Virgin would be an excellent translation, though Matthew put the final word to the matter. At least the NET Bible got Matthew 1:23 right.

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News Item8/27/12 1:33 PM
KJV English speaking-Onlyist  Find all comments by KJV English speaking-Onlyist
Mike said
How about that Luke 2:33? Was Joseph's mother really there?

It talking about Mary.

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News Item8/27/12 1:23 PM
Mike | York  Find all comments by Mike
How about that Luke 2:33? Was Joseph's mother really there?
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News Item8/27/12 1:09 PM
SteveR | Upper Midwest  Find all comments by SteveR
Mike wrote:
Excellent, Bro. Point well made.

Not by the NASB, which uses "virgin." The footnote merely states that the Hebrew word so translated has other translations. This is a fact, not a doctrinal error. You should be happy they chose the proper one, for as you said:
"However, when there are more than one possibles for the translation, the translator must use his wits and expertise to ascertain which is the correct one."

It is important to note that the translators of the septuagint used a Greek word that is unmistakably 'virgin' when translating the Hebrew 'almah' into Greek. Without question, those are the Hebrew speakers that are best qualified to offer what Isaiah meant.

I would urge great caution to adhere to anyone suggesting it meant anything less

* The most vocal defenders of the 'young woman or maiden' suggestion, are those that believe the birth of Hezekiah fulfilled that prophecy

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News Item8/27/12 1:05 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Mike wrote:
Excellent, Bro. Point well made.

Not by the NASB, which uses "virgin." The footnote merely states that the Hebrew word so translated has other translations. This is a fact, not a doctrinal error. You should be happy they chose the proper one, for as you said:
"However, when there are more than one possibles for the translation, the translator must use his wits and expertise to ascertain which is the correct one."

Correct!
The NASB has this right in this verse, unlike the dozens of other modern versions which have translated incorrectly. It is a rare thing when I give any point to the NASB, Mike, so make the most of this one.
__________

The Story Thus Far

Excellent true story!

I enjoyed reading that. Please post some more like that, and put a smile on me ol' turnip's face.

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News Item8/27/12 12:47 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
John UK wrote:
---
Isaiah 7:14 KJV
14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Now note that in this text, The Lord is giving A SIGN!

Now it is NO SIGN for a damsel, a maid, or a young woman, to conceive and bear a son.
---

Excellent, Bro. Point well made.

John UK wrote:
So this miraculous birth was to be the Incarnate God, a doctrine under attack. Guess who by?
Not by the NASB, which uses "virgin." The footnote merely states that the Hebrew word so translated has other translations. This is a fact, not a doctrinal error. You should be happy they chose the proper one, for as you said:

"However, when there are more than one possibles for the translation, the translator must use his wits and expertise to ascertain which is the correct one."

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