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FRONT PAGE  |  8/28/2015
SATURDAY, DEC 10, 2011  |  35 comments
Should Christians attend public schools?
That’s the question tackled by documentary producer Colin Gunn in his new film, IndoctriNation: Public Schools and the Decline of Christianity in America (see the trailer below).

The debate is spelled out right at the beginning of the film by two heavyweights in the world of evangelical Christianity. Albert Mohler, president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, makes his position clear: “I am convinced that the time has come for Christians to develop an exit strategy from the public schools.” Franklin Graham, son of evangelist Billy Graham and president of Samaritan’s Purse, is equally clear: “I want to see a child in every public school in America who is trained as a witness for Jesus Christ.”

So should Christians stay and fight from within, or abandon a system they perceive as broken? ...


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Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
John UK wrote:
I have to differ on that statement. Those who come to faith in Jesus Christ (savingly) have been "taught" at least something about him and what he has accomplished. "Faith" is a "persuasion", and the human mind is involved in the process. There are some who promote a "mindless" religion, even in Christian circles, and these are highly dangerous. "Empty your mind, relax, think of nothing, let God have his way...." and blah blah blah.
Rather Christianity is a "reasonable" religion. It requires thought. It needs much thought. Without thinking, it is not Christianity.
Check out the Bible word "faith" and you will see what I am saying. When I "believed", I was convinced:
1. That I was a sinner condemned
2. That Jesus is God's Son who died for my sins.
3. That Jesus was raised from the dead and alive today.
4. That Jesus is coming again.
This is the faith God gives.
John UK
Amen! and Amen!

Romans 10 tells us clearly, 'How can they call on him in whom the have not belived, and how can they believe in Him whom they have not heard, and how can they hear without a preacher.'

Jesus in John 6 tells us that everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Him.

Good Post John

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News Item12/11/11 7:05 AM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
wells wrote:
Still the devout Arminian John!
I suppose we must expect your wesleyan leanings towards a more spiritually powerful sinner.
Ah, so you don't believe in Sunday Schools to teach children the basics, nor do you believe in catechising, nor for adults do you believe in sitting under a preaching ministry, nor would you recommend anyone to read the Bible lest they learn something, or the Lord might "teach" them some important spiritual truth. Man, you're the weird one!

But maybe the quakers got it right, eh?

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News Item12/11/11 6:56 AM
wells  Find all comments by wells
John UK wrote:
I have to differ on that statement. Those who come to faith in Jesus Christ (savingly) have been "taught"
Still the devout Arminian John!
I suppose we must expect your wesleyan leanings towards a more spiritually powerful sinner.
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News Item12/11/11 5:52 AM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
wells wrote:
As for "strength" of Christian wisdom this has nothing to do with man teaching children. Faith is not an education process.
Rom 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as GOD hath dealt to every man the MEASURE OF FAITH.
I have to differ on that statement. Those who come to faith in Jesus Christ (savingly) have been "taught" at least something about him and what he has accomplished. "Faith" is a "persuasion", and the human mind is involved in the process. There are some who promote a "mindless" religion, even in Christian circles, and these are highly dangerous. "Empty your mind, relax, think of nothing, let God have his way...." and blah blah blah.

Rather Christianity is a "reasonable" religion. It requires thought. It needs much thought. Without thinking, it is not Christianity.

Check out the Bible word "faith" and you will see what I am saying. When I "believed", I was convinced:
1. That I was a sinner condemned
2. That Jesus is God's Son who died for my sins.
3. That Jesus was raised from the dead and alive today.
4. That Jesus is coming again.

This is the faith God gives.

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News Item12/10/11 6:28 PM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
these psuedo Christian leaders are so out of touch with what is really going on. It will be a good day when Christians begin praying again and looking to scripture to define who they are----not waiting for someone else to think for them.
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News Item12/10/11 3:58 PM
Thomas the Doubter | Ohio  Find all comments by Thomas the Doubter
Simple answer: NO. I will not sacrifice my children in the state secular humanist bootcamps.
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News Item12/10/11 3:50 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Ah, Scott, I can understand some of you remarks, and while sympathetic about you remarks about math (I was terrible at it, how is that evil?--or were you just kidding?)

By the way, too many Fundamentalists think that, The Christian and the Mind don't mix, but God holds us responsible for using it. I can see why many Mainliners don't realize that the average level of education is higher of the laity in Fundamental churches is higher than in Mainline ones! No, Come Let Us Reason together, and realize that Our Mind & the Use of Our Gifts are part of being Christian.

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News Item12/10/11 3:40 PM
wells  Find all comments by wells
Education is worldly and irrelevant.

It simply depends on how good or otherwise a memory you were born with.

Good memory - good pass marks - good job! Well paid.

Lousy memory - lousy pass marks - lousy jobs. Poorly paid.

If God wants you to be in a certain position in society then He ordains His elect to providentially be where HE requires the person to be.

As for "strength" of Christian wisdom this has nothing to do with man teaching children. Faith is not an education process.

Rom 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as GOD hath dealt to every man the MEASURE OF FAITH.

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News Item12/10/11 3:32 PM
Scott McMahan | Internet  Protected NameFind all comments by Scott McMahan
All you need to remember is that the public schools are funded by state lotteries, and teach math, a conflict of interest that can't be overcome.
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News Item12/10/11 3:22 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
For one thing not all public schools are not the same. I would think many public schools in the Great Plains and other parts of the country are conservative. If the child is brought up correctly at home the public schools aren't going corrode his religious beliefs. If his beliefs are corrupted, when he at the age 14 on, then it is the child's (or new adult's problem). As a Christian you are to be in the world, not part of it. A person can't remain in a monastery all of his life. But fine, if a person can afford to send his child to a good Christian private school or has the ability to home school his children very well indeed, Encouraging and supporting Christian families who educate their children at home.

Although neither Josef Stalin or Adolph Hitler had Christian training, they certainly were exposed to a religious background--both turned out to be monsters of the 20th Century.

Ah, like the comments about Mr. Franklin Graham.

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News Item12/10/11 2:55 PM
San Jose John | San Jose, CA  Find all comments by San Jose John
Claymore wrote:
Yesexcellent post But John SJ you are damned forever because you went to one of those evil, demonic, public schools. Attending government schools places you beyond ALL hope of grace.
Wow.

No wonder they named a mine and a sword after you!

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News Item12/10/11 2:13 PM
Claymore  Find all comments by Claymore
San Jose John wrote:
Excellent post!
Yesexcellent post But John SJ you are damned forever because you went to one of those evil, demonic, public schools. Attending government schools places you beyond ALL hope of grace.
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News Item12/10/11 1:09 PM
San Jose John | San Jose, CA  Find all comments by San Jose John
kenny wrote:
No Christian parent should EVER turn their child over to the government to be educated.
Excellent post!

Much as I'd love to have attended Christian school from k-12th grade, my parents saw public school as a bargain--especially since they were paying into it already (via property taxes) and couldn't afford private school.

I have no kids of my own but I can understand what must have been truly massive temptation experienced by my folks to "just let the government handle it" so that they could get on with their own lives.

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News Item12/10/11 11:10 AM
kenny | marietta, georgia  Find all comments by kenny
No child from a Christian home should ever darken the door of a government school under any circumstances.

I don't believe the government has any business being involved in education at all but I also understand that there will always be those who will clamor for this equivalent of educational food stamps.

Government schools are little more than free day care warehouses and humanistic initiation centers turning out little Godless statists.

No Christian parent should EVER turn their child over to the government to be educated.

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News Item12/10/11 10:44 AM
Marty | USA  Find all comments by Marty
Franklin Graham is at it again.

Oh, by the way, don't bother sending bibles to China now. Franklin says that the government has got it under control:

http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=72211956471

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