Steve Jobs's biological sister, Mona Simpson, wrote a moving and highly personal eulogy for a private funeral service for the fallen tech titan that took place a few days after his death in last month.
An acclaimed novelist, she delivered a beautifully written description of Jobs's life, illness and death. She said his last words before he slipped into unconsciousness for the last time were, "Oh wow. Oh wow. Oh wow."
Miles J. Standford wrote: Over and above this he accomplished scholarly and deeply spiritual work in translating the Bible into English, French, German; and the NT in Italian. His "Darby Bible" is considered by theologians to be on a par with the American Standard Version 1901, published several years later.
I agree with you on this for sure, and as I read your observations I couldn't help but draw a conclusion about the "ages" taught in evolution as well.
It also made me think of the "New Agers" that are waiting for a "great awakening" that brings in a new age, the Age of Aquarius for example. The next step in our evolution they say, when we awaken to our real potential. Us being gods really, and we hear hints about it coming December 21 2012 at the end of the Mayan calender and such things as that. Quantum shift, Paradigm Shift and terms like that are often used.
Seems a horrible thing to change the Words God chooses and replace them with counterfeits so you can teach a whole new doctrine all your own with your very own new Darby version bible that allows it.
Dispensationalism was introduced by God, to really set the record straight, Dispensations
Dr. Thomas Ice wrote: Although Darby was the first to systematize dispensationalism, I believe that rudimentary features can be found prior to the nineteenth century, especially in the early church and the three hundred years prior to Darby. Opponents often debate a pre-Darby heritage, but I think the evidence does support our claim that there are historical and theological antecedents to the modern system.
jpw wrote: yes, how would a saint be made without the Holy Spirit? That is a bit bizarre! Is that what is taught?
It sure is! but not so directly as I stated it, because if people caught that, they wouldn't follow it, and it is the prevalent teaching in most church denominations today. I've been a dispensationalist for 25 years and never heard it put so plainly.
H.A. Ironside in Ironside's notes on Selected Books wrote: The Holy Spirit is in the world, where He is working in and through the church of God. He indwells every believer individually and the church collectively; therefore as long as the church is in the world, the antichrist will not be revealed.
The Holy Spirit came to abide with the church forever, so as long as the church is here, He will be here. But when the church is caught up to be with the Lord, the Spirit of God will no longer be in the world...
Mike wrote: Need clarificaion. Why would saints need saving, by self or otherwise?
Sorry, this could go way off topic. Dispensationalism teaches that the church leaves the earth at the rapture, and the Holy Spirit leaves too, so the man of sin can be revealed.
But what about all the people who are saved during "the tribulation"? (Rev 7:14 is quoted) According to dispenationalism, they get saved during the tribulation without the Holy Spirit, because He already left with the church at the pre-trib rapture.
Don't ask me to make sense out of that, it doesn't make sense. The Bible teaches in many places that salvation is complete in Christ, and the impartation and indwelling of the Holy Spirit is part of being Saved.
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. (Romans 8:9)
westcoastreader wrote: But when a friend (himself a devoted dispensationalist like I thought I was) pointed out that after the rapture, the Holy Spirit will leave the Earth, and "the tribulation" saints to save themselves... for the first time my eyes were open to the absurdity of this idea. I still don't know who is "trustworthy" on this topic. You can search for "J.N. Darby Jesuit" and see all the hits. StillWatersRevivalBooks lots of J.N. Darby and CI Scofield "stuff" sign me as ~"Still Researching"
Need clarificaion. Why would saints need saving, by self or otherwise?
KyrieEleison1 wrote: WCR, I am just getting ready to start looking into the Jesuit accusation on Darby. Can you share any links or provide any direction? A jump-start would be much appreciated.
I've been half heartedly digging around in this stuff for a few years, and because I don't "want" to believe it I kind of squint when I read about it. But when a friend (himself a devoted dispensationalist like I thought I was) pointed out that after the rapture, the Holy Spirit will leave the Earth, and "the tribulation" saints to save themselves... for the first time my eyes were open to the absurdity of this idea.
Not Only Was JOHN WESLEY A DISPENSATIONALIST; BUT, HE WOULDN'T FALL FOR THE SATANIC+VATICAN "JESUIT(IC)S" GARBAGE & PROPAGANDA OF GOING TO PHYSICAL "[UN]HOLY" WAR AGAINST THE "MAHOMETANS" (MOHAMMEDANS) AS "boob-a-job" & THE OTHER "JESUIT(IC)S" ADVOCATE ON S-A !
JOHN WESLEY Said On His Deathbed:
"THE BEST OF ALL IS, GOD IS WITH US ! THE BEST OF ALL IS, GOD IS WITH US !"
GEORGE WHITEFIELD Said As His Last Dying Words:
"I AM DYING" !
AT WHITEFIELD'S MEMORIAL SERVICE, JOHN WESLEY SAID:
"OH, WHAT HAS THE CHURCH SUFFERED IN THE SETTING OF THAT BRIGHT STAR WHICH SHONE SO GLORIOUSLY IN OUR HEMISPHERE. WE HAVE NONE LEFT TO SUCCEED HIM; NONE OF HIS GIFTS; NONE ANYTHING LIKE HIM IN USEFULNESS."
CHARLES WESLEY DICTATED TO HIS WIFE:
"IN AGE AND FEEBLENESS EXTREME, WHAT SHALL A SINFUL WORM REDEEM ? JESUS, MY ONLY HOPE THOU ART, STRENGTH OF MY FAILING FLESH AND HEART, O COULD I CATCH A SMILE FROM THEE, AND DROP INTO ETERNITY." !
**CHARLES FINNEY, A TRUE REVIVALIST LIKE THE WESLEYS, WROTE IN 1868 "WHY I LEFT FREEMASONRY" ASKED:
"#1.IS ANY MAN WHO IS UNDER A MOST SOLEMN OATH TO KILL ALL WHO VIOLATE ANY PART OF MASONIC OATHS, A FIT PERSON TO BE AT LARGE AMONG MEN ?
#2.OUGHT FREEMASONS OF THIS STAMP TO BE FELLOWSHIPPED IN THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH ?"
In 1 Tim. 6, the context was Paul's directions concerning *church members*, not pagan outsiders like Jobs. Or is eternal life (v.19) a promise to ALL the generous rich, including those outside the church? If so, then Bill Gates has got it made.
Derbyshire's stereotyping of Apple customers is a puerile, false generalization, and besides, I doubt Apple would have achieved its market position today if their customer base was restricted to effete urbanites.
One man's plaything is another's vital necessity. Do not judge hastily, lest you be judged.
Walter Isaacson's biography of Steve Jobs has the info on his high B.O. days with Atari, mentioned on a major radio talk show in the week the bk was released. They have not been sued for defamation or libel. Apple has a high profit margin--some say 40 percent--but no one complains of their high prices, while banks and oil companies are vilified for any profits they make-doesn't seem fair. Dennis Ritchie vs. Jobs: computer language vs. gadgets for metrosexuals is from John Derbyshire commentary on National Review website. Making products people will buy--making meth in your basement or growing marihuana there would be OK, I guess. See example of inventor of Slinkys--sold all to become a missionary but ruined his family. I think First Timothy 6:17 to 19 are good verses for rich people like Jobs, et. al.