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WEDNESDAY, SEP 14, 2011  |  37 comments
Most Pastors Don't Want IRS Regulating Sermons on Politics
Amid ongoing debate over whether pastors should be allowed to preach on political candidates and issues, a new survey reveals that most pastors do not want the government regulating their sermons.

Seventy-nine percent of surveyed Protestant pastors said they strongly disagree with the statement: "The government should regulate sermons by revoking a church's tax exemption if its pastor approves of or criticizes candidates based on the church's moral beliefs or theology."

Another seven percent "somewhat" disagreed, according to the survey, which was sponsored by the Alliance Defense Fund and conducted by LifeWay Research.

Only 10 percent of the pastors agreed with the statement. ...


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News Item9/17/11 8:44 AM
Rufus | Fort Worth, TX  Protected NameFind all comments by Rufus
Michael Hranek wrote:
... and as Lurker noted well Eagles (or it might be translated vultures) are unclean birds in Lev and Deut.
...
In my humble view...Yall are taking the full attributes of the type further than intended of the author. When Jesus says he's coming as a thief in the night it does not mean he is a thief, it mean there is an attribute of the thief (speed) in which Jesus is equating to His return. We are not to take the full attributes of the thief and then conclude that Jesus is a thief. Further, God is referred to as the Lion of Judah. A lion is an unclean animal but this is not the point of the title. Thus, in reference to the eagles and the church, I encourage we take the attributes intended in the passage and apply them to the church but limit it to that.
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News Item9/17/11 8:08 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
John UK wrote:
The Body referred to is Christ's Body, and the Eagles are Christians who feed upon that Body By Faith.
John UK
Lurker

Brother John, I tend to disagree with you on this BECAUSE in the context of Matthew 24:24-28 Jesus is teaching and warning of false Messiahs and false prophets telling us clearly He is not out in the desert and He is not in the secret chambers (BUT He is coming and will come in great Power and Glory) and as Lurker noted well Eagles (or it might be translated vultures) are unclean birds in Lev and Deut.

So I would tend to think a carcase is exactly that a dead body, and we might view an apostate (quote) church as very much a dead corpse and eagles (or vultures) are those who gorge themselves on their dead flesh (false teachings, meetings, concerts, celebrations, etc.) gathering to do so.

Something we see all too often in modern day apostate seeker sensitive purpose driven entertaining ecuamenical and in adulterous spiritual union with governement and the world, churches of Sardis and Laodicea, and espcially in the Roman Catholic FALSE Church.

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News Item9/17/11 5:34 AM
CV  Find all comments by CV
jj33 wrote:
PLEASE HEAR THESE WORDS!
A Church does not need to become a 501c3 to be tax exempt.
By becoming a 501c3 one becomes a creature of the state, and should therefore obey the regulations it agreed to per Romans 13.
Wake up to this! Getting a 501c3 is largely a human tradition being passed on in ignorance of the law.
It is a wicked practice and needs to stop.
AMEN!!

Jim take no handouts from the czar. Otherwise you'll need a permit to hold biblestudies, with their politically correct cleansed bible. And they'll tell you what you must do in church. Give to czar all it is due, but take nothing from it. The church is Gods to look after.

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News Item9/17/11 4:32 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Lurker wrote:
John,
Do a bit of research on this text, bro. God named the eagle an abomination (Lev 11:13) and unclean (Deut 14:11-20) so I doubt He would use it as a figure of Christ's bride.
Mornin Lurker

Yes I have researched this expression quite a bit over the years, and am convinced. Here's MH's take on it:

"The kingdom of the Messiah is not to have one particular place for its metropolis, such as Jerusalem was to the Jewish church, to which all Jews were to resort; but, wherever the body is, wherever the gospel is preached and ordinances are ministered, thither will pious souls resort, there they will find Christ, and by faith feast upon him. Wherever Christ records his name he will meet his people, and bless them, John 4:21, etc.; 1 Tim 2:8. Many good interpreters understand it of the gathering of the saints together to Christ in the kingdom of glory: ‚ÄúAsk not where the carcase will be, and how they shall find the way to it, for they shall be under infallible direction; to him who is their living, quickening Head, and the centre of their unity, to him shall the gathering of the people be.‚ÄĚ

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News Item9/16/11 10:00 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
John UK wrote:
Jim
I reckon Dabney got it really wrong, taking a verse out of its context and using it to support his argument.
And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.
Luke 17:37 KJV
The Body referred to is Christ's Body, and the Eagles are Christians who feed upon that Body By Faith.
John,

Do a bit of research on this text, bro. God named the eagle an abomination (Lev 11:13) and unclean (Deut 14:11-20) so I doubt He would use it as a figure of Christ's bride.

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News Item9/16/11 6:17 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Jim
I reckon Dabney got it really wrong, taking a verse out of its context and using it to support his argument.

And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.
Luke 17:37 KJV

The Body referred to is Christ's Body, and the Eagles are Christians who feed upon that Body By Faith.

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News Item9/16/11 6:07 PM
Major Payne  Find all comments by Major Payne
jpw wrote:
Thanks Jim, for encouraging pastors to remain silent on all things real while you freely speak your political opinions everyday.
Wow!
I knew a sniper that could hit a target from a mile away. But even he couldn't have hit the target as accuratly as you just did.
Great job
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News Item9/16/11 5:34 PM
HNO  Find all comments by HNO
jpw wrote:
Thanks Jim, for encouraging pastors to remain silent on all things real while you freely speak your political opinions everyday.
Ditto.
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News Item9/16/11 4:16 PM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
Thanks Jim, for encouraging pastors to remain silent on all things real while you freely speak your political opinions everyday.
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News Item9/16/11 2:49 PM
jj33  Protected NameFind all comments by jj33
Jim Lincoln said: "501c3 is a good thing if it keeps ministers out of politics"

Sir, You play fast and loose with ideas.

Luke 9:55b ...Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.

The Lord rebuke you.

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News Item9/16/11 2:13 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
What really needs to be stopped is:
R. L. Dabney wrote:
The laws of the empire in the Middle Ages imposed no limitations upon bequests; thus, most naturally, monasteries, cathedrals, chapters, and archbishoprics became inordinately rich. At the Reformation they had grasped one-third of the property of Europe. But Scripture saith, Where the carcass is, thither the eagles are gathered together. Wealth is power, and ambitious men crave it. Thus this endowed hierarchy came to be filled by the men of the greediest ambition in Europe, instead of by humble, self-denying pastors; and thus it was that this tremendous money power, arming itself first with a spiritual despotism of the popish theology over consciences, and then allying itself with political power, wielded the whole to enforce the absolute domination of that religion which gave them their wealth. No wonder human liberty, free thought, and the Bible were together trampled out of Europe.
from, The Attractions of the Roman Catholic Church

501c3 is a good thing if it keeps ministers out of politics! If I want politics, I'll join a political party.

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News Item9/16/11 12:25 PM
jj33  Protected NameFind all comments by jj33
Rufus wrote:
The church does not need to yoke up with the state to become tax exempt as the church is non taxable to begin with. Incorporating and becoming 501c3 places churches under the authority of the state.
PLEASE HEAR THESE WORDS!

A Church does not need to become a 501c3 to be tax exempt.

By becoming a 501c3 one becomes a creature of the state, and should therefore obey the regulations it agreed to per Romans 13.

Wake up to this! Getting a 501c3 is largely a human tradition being passed on in ignorance of the law.

It is a wicked practice and needs to stop.

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News Item9/15/11 4:53 PM
Rufus | Fort Worth, TX  Protected NameFind all comments by Rufus
jpw wrote:
politics used to be called application of the Word. ...
Amen and amen to your whole post.

More political thoughts...
"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder:..." - Isaiah 9:6

As to the article:

"The government should regulate sermons by revoking a church's tax exemption if its pastor approves of or criticizes candidates based on the church's moral beliefs or theology."

The church does not need to yoke up with the state to become tax exempt as the church is non taxable to begin with. Incorporating and becoming 501c3 places churches under the authority of the state. Unincorporate, pitch the 501c3 trash and then preach the gospel and the whole counsel of God (which includes all sorts of political elements)!

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News Item9/15/11 4:39 PM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
politics used to be called application of the Word.

I cannot read the NT and see anything but politics. Christ and then his disciples taught things that were contrary to mainstream culture of the time.

anything that is worthy of discussion, worthy of prayer and discernment will be playing itself out in the public arena, which is what politics is.

Sorry, but you cannot remain silent on politics and have anything left to say. Abortion---is political. Family Planning-----political. Medical choices------political. Views on Isreal and international wars---political.

This HPV thing, that was political. I wonder how many pastors warned their congregations in Texas, when it was made mandatory by the governor, that little girls were dying from this. Many, many knew of this, many were discussing it, would a family be warned of such things on Sunday by their church family? NO.

Because many want the church family to remain silent.

the church corporation who has agreed not to make any statements against public policy has unfortunately signed up to remain silent on the application of God's word.

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News Item9/14/11 2:46 PM
RR | Canada  Find all comments by RR
This is where the rubber hit the roads.

No one talks clearly about it, yet it could be very well the main cause of our spiritual diseases!

Why we (Real Christians) need the IRS or the CPP or the Tax receipt to finance The Gospel of Jesus Christ and the relevant activities.

Isn't the typical proof of the current marriage between the State and the Church? 1Jn 2:15

Why we have to deal with Caesar and his earthly empire to finance The Real King and Lord, Jesus Christ and His Heavenly and Everlasting Kingdom?

It's about time to choose between Christ the King of kings or Caesar the the earthly Emperor of the earthly and soon to be vanished earthly empire ...

If you love Christ, His Kingdom and His Gospel, PAY FROM YOUR OWN POCKET and you'll be making treasures in heavens.
Mat 6:20

In Christ my Lord & Savior I hide,
RR

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News Item9/14/11 2:20 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Basically agree with Pure Tan (Don't use tanning salons? ) The Truth Behind The Church's Purpose.

Political discussions don't belong in Pastor's sermons, The Church in the Political Process.

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News Item9/14/11 12:46 PM
Pure Tan  Find all comments by Pure Tan
If ministers preach and teach the Bible consistently, the congregation will learn to discriminate for themselves.

The congregation should regulate sermons by revoking a pastor if its pastor approves of or criticizes candidates based on the church's moral beliefs or theology.

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