Leaders representing the Roman Catholic Church and some American Protestant denominations have signed an agreement in Texas to recognize each other's baptisms.
After about six years of dialogue, the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, the Reformed Church in America, Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.), the Christian Reformed Church in North America, and the United Church of Christ signed a document recognizing each other's liturgical rites of baptism.
The five denominations signed the "Common Agreement on Mutual Recognition of Baptism," affirming the baptism agreement on Tuesday evening at a prayer service held at St. Mary's Cathedral in Austin....
Frank wrote: Good morning brother & fellow pilgrim, nonconformist, dissenting separatist. 1. You described me perfectly! Certain varieties of seaweed are very nutritious, 2. YUK!
1. Ah yes, me too!
2. If you are hungry enough, you will eat even seaweed bro. Also there are many roadside treats to eat, like blackberries etc. There is water in streams, wild garlic plants, all sorts when you know where to look.
Good morning brother & fellow pilgrim, nonconformist, dissenting separatist.
1. You described me perfectly!
Certain varieties of seaweed are very nutritious,
2. YUK!
and of course if there's any fish left in the sea they are fair pickings. There's always a way to eat, even if we have to go back to primitive living, learning how to start a fire without matches etc.
3. We will have to wait and see whether we can find food or not.
We are privileged to be alive at such a time in the history of the world.
Frank wrote: John UK, good morning Pilgrim. I agree with your thoughts on the mark. Those who have it will be able to buy sell; those that don’t can’t. That is an easy way to track and find those without a mark. Only a genuine believer would be able to watch his love ones die from starvation and things like that.
Good morning brother & fellow pilgrim, nonconformist, dissenting separatist.
Yes, all good points, and thanks for the info. I am especially interested in free food which is available along the shore. Certain varieties of seaweed are very nutritious, and of course if there's any fish left in the sea they are fair pickings. There's always a way to eat, even if we have to go back to primitive living, learning how to start a fire without matches etc.
We are privileged to be alive at such a time in the history of the world.
John UK, good morning Pilgrim. I agree with your thoughts on the mark. Those who have it will be able to buy sell; those that don’t can’t. That is an easy way to track and find those without a mark. Only a genuine believer would be able to watch his love ones die from starvation and things like that. I also think that receiving this mark isn’t a causal thing, because those that receive it will actually worship the beast and some statue of himself that was made (Re. 19:20, Re. 16:2, Re. 14:11) Sort of like the statue that was made in Daniel 3, but on a smaller scale. Are you aware that the Catholics don’t have the commandment to not make or worship graven images? They go from nr. 1 to nr. 3 and then separate nr. 10 into 9 and 10; so it looks like they have 10. They spin this by saying nr. 2 is really contained in nr. 1, or something like that. They worship images now, so it won’t be a big deal to them. Since those with the mark “can’t” be forgiven, then I think it will demand denouncing Christ as being satanic; while receiving the real satan as your god. Remember some Jews did, said that Christ was demonic,and Christ said that was an unforgivable sin – blasphemy.
SteveR wrote: John Uk, The Greek word used for 'mark' in mark of the beast is kharagma, which means a graven mark so Lassie isnt a follower of the antichrist.
Thank you Steve, a fair point. But I was merely showing how easy it is with modern technology to implant an ID mark via a chip implant. I personally think it is an atrocity to inject our dogs with such a device.
As for the "mark", scratched or etched on the right hand or forehead, I believe it is likely to be laser-printed, and will be an ID number with all details on it. This method was being developed back in the 80's, and likely to be made law sometime soon. However, unlike the protestant doctrine of justification which is fixed, accurate and definite, this is conjecture about the mark of the beast, and will only be proven in time when it happens.
John Uk, The Greek word used for 'mark' in mark of the beast is kharagma, which means a graven mark so Lassie isnt a follower of the antichrist
Blacknblue millions of protestants who were martyred for their faith by Rome ? millions? While we dont have an accurate number, we know that number is in the thousands. For instance, the Spanish Inquisition executed about 5000. In comparison, experts estimate 100k new Christians martyrs every year since 2000 on top of the bloodiest century led by the Communists. Accusing the RCC with that Council of Trent decree with false numbers should remind you of one of the 10 Commandments. btw- The Lord uses marks to save his people as well & not just the 144k of Revelation
Ezekiel 9:3 And the glory of the God of Israel was gone up from the cherub, whereupon he was, to the threshold of the house. And he called to the man clothed with linen, which had the writer's inkhorn by his side;
Ezekiel 9:4 And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof. ... Ezekiel 9:6 Slay utterly old and young,..., and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark;
blackandwhite wrote: The electronic chip is the view of every conspiracy nut and strange false religionist-that alone would grant caution despite the fine brethren who believe 100% that such a chip WILL DENITELY BE the mark of the beast!
yeahathgodsaid wrote: -------------------------- Steve I am afraid I am too long in the tooth to be troubled by your false statement. As you are a RC sympathiser what will you say about this website by a Maltese former RC? Do you understand WHY? he has such a website? He doesn't believe RC's are his brothers, but he loves them and desires to see many come to a true saving knowledge of Christ, just like himself. [An Invitation to Examine Your Catholic Faith in the Light of Scripture By Joseph Mizzi CHRISTIAN THUMBNAILS A Survey of the Core Beliefs of Christianity By Joseph Mizzi Why not read the first book as it is an invitation you can't really refuse, is it not? May God bless your reading and please follow up with your view of that book, but only after you have read such. Revelation 17: 6 What did the Reformers and all historical protestants Bible commentators say: John Gill
You are such a nice fellow! But what does too long in the tooth mean. I have read things by Mizzi and they are very good! You certainly do provide good links and they will be a blessing to many who read these posts.
blackandwhite wrote: Mark of the beast study Frank The first 2 pages of the above link might get you thinking? The electronic chip is the view of every conspiracy nut and strange false religionist-that alone would grant caution despite the fine brethren who believe 100% that such a chip WILL DENITELY BE the mark of the beast! Those millions of protestants who were martyred for their faith by Rome had an altogether different view. Johnuk mentioned 'the cross' and I think wondered at the use of such by professing Christians. Think how Rome uses 'the cross' and see what Rome teaches about such a mark. I post the above for your interest. scarlet and purple Revelation 17: 4-6!
Thanks, I looked at the link. After reading it, I still "tend" to be one of the conspiracy nuts. I would say it will likely be some type of chip, but I really don't have a clue. But a visible or recognizable mark it will be.
Frank wrote: Yes, I think there will be secular and papal persecution of those who have not taken the mark of the beast. They will be unable to buy and sell and since they will not worship the beast or his image, they will be hunted down and killed. My guess is we, if we are still here, will be easy to find.
The first 2 pages of the above link might get you thinking?
The electronic chip is the view of every conspiracy nut and strange false religionist-that alone would grant caution despite the fine brethren who believe 100% that such a chip WILL DENITELY BE the mark of the beast!
Those millions of protestants who were martyred for their faith by Rome had an altogether different view.
Johnuk mentioned 'the cross' and I think wondered at the use of such by professing Christians. Think how Rome uses 'the cross' and see what Rome teaches about such a mark.
SteveR wrote: I will say self described kristans here that deny there are Saints in the RCC are themselves in danger of damnation.'
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Steve
I am afraid I am too long in the tooth to be troubled by your false statement. As you are a RC sympathiser what will you say about this website by a Maltese former RC? Do you understand WHY? he has such a website? He doesn't believe RC's are his brothers, but he loves them and desires to see many come to a true saving knowledge of Christ, just like himself.
Frank wrote: 1. Is sounds like a wonderful subject; the Lamb of God who suffered and died for us. What a wonderful Lord and Savior we have and to think that there was nothing in those that He saved to warrant His love. It was all by His grace and mercy. 2. Yes, I think there will be secular and papal persecution of those who have not taken the mark of the beast. They will be unable to buy and sell and since they will not worship the beast or his image, they will be hunted down and killed. My guess is we, if we are still here, will be easy to find.
1. Amen indeed. We have been fortunate to spend the last few months focussing on the crucifixion and all the various folks involved with it. Most profitable.
2. It would appear, from the text you chose, that finance will be at the forefront of the beast's tactics. I agree, and it makes me wonder about all these online payment methods: nochex, paypal, and a host of others who have full access to all our bank accounts. I don't know what it's like in America, but also the card is being used more and more in the UK, and online purchases are causing many businesses to go under unless they go along with it.
John UK wrote: Last night we had a good study in Hebrews 9, and it was good to be reminded of the type/symbol God instituted. The OT sacrificial type, and the NT bread and wine symbol. The OT looking forward to Calvary, and the Lord's Supper looking backward to Calvary, where the Lamb of God died for sinners.
Is sounds like a wonderful subject; the Lamb of God who suffered and died for us. What a wonderful Lord and Savior we have and to think that there was nothing in those that He saved to warrant His love. It was all by His grace and mercy.
Yes, I think there will be secular and papal persecution of those who have not taken the mark of the beast. They will be unable to buy and sell and since they will not worship the beast or his image, they will be hunted down and killed. My guess is we, if we are still here, will be easy to find.
Frank wrote: Heh Brother/Pilgrim! I am amazed at how much the secular media, both liberal and conservative, are portraying this fellow as representing a segment of Christ's church. I believe the RCC will be the great whore of Revelations 17:3-6 and will once again persecute the true church with their old venom. Genuine Christians will be their main enemy and most others will simply be what they call invincibly ignorant. You and I would not be classified as such. Let's hope this new Pope is the last one.
We live in exciting times brother, when it comes to world history, and the new pope may well be the last one.
Do you believe that the great tribulation will involve secular/papal persecution? I ask because I have not really gone into this in any depth, and am very interested for the simple reason it is unfolding before our very eyes. There's nothing like preparing for something.
Last night we had a good study in Hebrews 9, and it was good to be reminded of the type/symbol God instituted. The OT sacrificial type, and the NT bread and wine symbol. The OT looking forward to Calvary, and the Lord's Supper looking backward to Calvary, where the Lamb of God died for sinners.
John UK wrote: Pope to resign shortly. Next, please.
Heh Brother/Pilgrim! I am amazed at how much the secular media, both liberal and conservative, are portraying this fellow as representing a segment of Christ's church. I believe the RCC will be the great whore of Revelations 17:3-6 and will once again persecute the true church with their old venom.
Genuine Christians will be their main enemy and most others will simply be what they call invincibly ignorant. You and I would not be classified as such.
SteveR wrote: 1. Remember this board is surrounded by a host of witnesses in heaven, 2. many of those witnesses the Lord in his wisdom had attend the RCC.
1. Incorrect. 2. Possibly, but none of them believed the Roman Catholic doctrine of salvation, but were saved by grace, through faith alone in Christ alone. If anyone adds one iota to the finished work of Jesus Christ, they insult God and are worthy of eternal damnation for their self-righteous, works-salvationist, devilish pride.
SteveR wrote: I will go further than that, I will say self described kristans here that deny there are Saints in the RCC are themselves in danger of damnation. They are the same as the Catholics that persecuted Protestants 400 years ago, you are just too impotent to act on your wickedness. 1 John 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? Remember this board is surrounded by a host of witnesses in heaven, many of those witnesses the Lord in his wisdom had attend the RCC. Hebrews 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
yeahathGodsaid wrote: "If you, with a good knowledge of Romanism, can maintain that there are Romanists who are true Christians, I fear for your own soul; you clearly do not know Christ or his Gospel.
I will go further than that, I will say self described kristans here that deny there are Saints in the RCC are themselves in danger of damnation. They are the same as the Catholics that persecuted Protestants 400 years ago, you are just too impotent to act on your wickedness.
1 John 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
Remember this board is surrounded by a host of witnesses in heaven, many of those witnesses the Lord in his wisdom had attend the RCC.
Hebrews 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
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