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Ancient Dead Sea Scrolls digitised in co-project by Israel and Google
Anyone with an internet connection will now be able to take a new look into the Biblical past through an online archive of high-resolution images of the 2,000-year-old Dead Sea Scrolls completed by the Israel Antiquities Authority (IAA) and Google.

The scrolls, most of them on parchment, are the oldest copies of the Hebrew Bible and include secular text dating from the third century BC to the first century AD.

IAA, the custodian of the scrolls that shed light on the life of Jews and early Christians at the time of Jesus, said it has collaborated with Google's research and development centre in Israel for the past two and a half years to upload digitised images of thousands of fragments from the collection.

Yossi Matias, the head of Google-Israel R&D centre, described the project launch as "exciting". ...


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John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Question wrote:
Goodbye John.
Goodbye Question.
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News Item1/2/13 12:28 PM
Question  Find all comments by Question
John UK wrote:
Yes, I can understand your wanting to "win a debate" rather than edify a brother...
QED - to KJVO tactics.

So how does Quod Est Demonstrandum indicate a desire for winning a debate?!

Looking through your postings on the textual debate it is apparent to me that you are the one seeking such a victory.

John UK wrote:
It is unfortunate that you are unable to hold up your Bible and say, "This is the word of God", because the "scholars" you trust in tell you not to, because the mss they trust in cannot (according to them) be trusted to be the word of God inerrant.
You again demonstrate how little you understand about the whole field of textual criticism. But I am not here to educate you. If you truly care, listen to:

This

John UK wrote:
..if you regard the Bible as someone's "pet subject"..
The pet subject I was referring to was not the Bible per se, but your bashing of modern versions and scholars who advocate them, or to be more precise, any version/scholar that does not hold to the exact text underlying the KJV!

It seems pointless to me to continue this converstion. Goodbye John.

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Just an aside  Find all comments by Just an aside
Spurgeon speaking on Isaiah 61:1, “He hath sent me to bind up the broken-hearted.”

"..Concerning the fact of difference between the Revised and Authorized Versions, I would say that no Baptist should ever fear any honest attempt to produce the correct text, and an accurate interpretation of the Old and New Testaments. For many years Baptists have insisted upon it that we ought to have the Word of God translated in the best possible manner, whether it would confirm certain religious opinions and practices, or work against them. All we want is the exact mind of the Spirit, as far as we can get it. Beyond all other Christians we are concerned in this, seeing we have no other sacred book; we have no prayer book or binding creed, or authoritative minutes of conference; we have nothing but the Bible; and we would have that as pure as ever we can get it. By the best and most honest scholarship that can be found we desire that the common version may be purged of every blunder of transcribers, or addition of human ignorance, or human knowledge, that so the word of God may come to us as it came from his own hand."

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News Item1/2/13 6:21 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Question wrote:
Q.E.D....
Yes, I can understand your wanting to "win a debate" rather than edify a brother. It is deeply entrenched in your mind and soul to "win". This is what I meant about the American culture; it needs dealing with by the Spirit of God. Most believers I meet on these threads are concerned primarily for truth. What advantage is a lie to me? None at all. Does the truth set free, or a lie? It is the truth.

The second thing I would say is that as yet, you have hardly said anything positive. It is unfortunate that you are unable to hold up your Bible and say, "This is the word of God", because the "scholars" you trust in tell you not to, because the mss they trust in cannot (according to them) be trusted to be the word of God inerrant.

Thirdly, if you regard the Bible as someone's "pet subject", you obviously have not yet realised the PRIME importance of God's word. For example: you are born in a place which does not have the Bible AT ALL, no Bible. How do you hear about Jesus Christ? The Bible is the only source of God communicating with men about his Son. There is none other. And there is none other name under heaven, given among men, whereby we must be saved.

No wonder the devil attacks it so much.

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News Item1/1/13 4:10 PM
Question  Find all comments by Question
John UK wrote:
Just as well.
Not your ministry to convince anyone that the TR or KJV is God ordained. You're too irascible when it comes to what appears to be your pet subject: probably because beyond what you're spoonfed by the TBS you don't know much. Ah well, so be it.
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News Item1/1/13 9:28 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Question wrote:
Out of space
Just as well.
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News Item1/1/13 8:57 AM
Question  Find all comments by Question
John UK wrote:
1. Because 5% of poison in a beaker can kill you.
How do you conclude that any variation from the various TRs is poison? You start from a position without any proof and consider all else as deviants!

John UK wrote:
2. If you are innocent, you are innocent.
Seems like false accusations are OK.

John UK wrote:
3. If that is what he said, then I disagree with you. Why grumble at the facts?
You have a jaundiced view of history and textual criticism so I would expect no better from you.

John UK wrote:
5. Are you still interested in learning about the texts at the back of the NASB? Or do you prefer to be hoodwinked by so-called scholars, some of whom are not even born again?
So far all I have seen from you is typical KJVO tactics. I am learning from better sources thanks. And please keep your ad-hominems to yourself. If you think that by this you somehow honor God you are very mistaken.

John, ever occured to you that you could be hoodwinked and that you oppose God by your tactics?

Where in the Bible does it say that the KJV or the text underlying the KJV is the only God ordained version?

Out of space

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News Item12/31/12 9:56 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Question wrote:
1. Then why your hue and cry over textual issues?
2. Oh really John! Based on what? One post that you have miscontrued?! Do me a favor!
3. May have been unintelligible to you, but equating my stance with that of W/H, and ascribing all of the modern church's ills to the textual issue is a pretty ignorant thing to say.
4. BTW one ignorant post doth not an ignoramus make. That's you putting words in my mouth! Not that you are spoiling for a fight.
1. Because 5% of poison in a beaker can kill you.

2. If you are innocent, you are innocent.

3. If that is what he said, then I disagree with you. Why grumble at the facts?

4. Who me?

5. Are you still interested in learning about the texts at the back of the NASB? Or do you prefer to be hoodwinked by so-called scholars, some of whom are not even born again?

6. How did you feel when you read the last point?

7. If you believe you have not been hoodwinked, know that those who are deceived are not aware of it.

8. If you believe I have been deceived by the TBS, it is up to you before God to instruct me as to the error. But that is not your ministry is it? So why all the vagueness except it be subterfuge?

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News Item12/31/12 9:29 AM
Question  Find all comments by Question
John UK wrote:
1. Not at all. Some 95% of each modern version agrees with the TR...
Then why your hue and cry over textual issues? And since the aim of lower criticism is precisely to establish the text that God left, then surely it should receive your whole hearted support since you care to know what God hath said. This is not being negative!

John UK wrote:
..But then, you're always spoiling for a fight, picking up on the slightest little thing which you can play with. ..
Oh really John! Based on what? One post that you have miscontrued?! Do me a favor!

John UK wrote:
3. The comment by CV was to me unintelligible, and I would have asked him what on earth he meant. But to cast him off as an ignoramus is something you need to repent of.
May have been unintelligible to you, but equating my stance with that of W/H, and ascribing all of the modern church's ills to the textual issue is a pretty ignorant thing to say.

BTW one ignorant post doth not an ignoramus make. That's you putting words in my mouth! Not that you are spoiling for a fight.

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News Item12/31/12 5:32 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Question wrote:
1. You appear to have a bias against me (presumably for speaking against your revered TR). This wouldn't have anything to do with your accusation now would it?
2. Thanks too for revealing what you really feel about us Americans! No pride there then!
1. Not at all. Some 95% of each modern version agrees with the TR. Maybe MV-Onlys ought to consider that, and give it more respect. I am biased against the devil, and if you insist on echoing him "yea, hath God said", then expect you-know-what. Think about it. And don't spend your life being negative towards the word of God.

2. My dear American brothers and sisters know better than that - ask them. But then, you're always spoiling for a fight, picking up on the slightest little thing which you can play with. The American culture of "achievement", needs dealing with by the Spirit, and he does deal with it. A "dream" is hardly biblical, is it? All cultures, including the UK have lifestyles which need changing by the Spirit of God, and it is no easy task. It is called "fallen nature".

3. The comment by CV was to me unintelligible, and I would have asked him what on earth he meant. But to cast him off as an ignoramus is something you need to repent of.

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News Item12/30/12 8:14 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Question wrote:
Thanks Frank.
Certainly not!
Where did I suggest any different?
Thanks for the response. As you know, it is sometimes difficult to determine on a forum like this where someone is really coming from. But as long as you agree that scripture doesn't teach that scholarship, in and of itself, gives anyone an advantage in understanding and following the Lord Jesus, we are not far apart. My guess is most of those who are martyred, in prison and the persecuted have never taken a bible course and certainly wouldn't be scholars. I think that was what John was trying to say when he quoted the verses from James. I have nothing against learning, but heretics can have great learning as you know. John and I would be say if the Holy Spirit isn't teaching us; we haven't learned anything of value except meaningless facts. And the Holy Spirit can use the humble rather than the educated or learned. Take out the humble and nothing remains. Take out the education and learning and the Spirit still works in the hearts of His children.

When you accused John of saying or even implying that only the ignorant can be spiritual, it seemed like a stretch to me and that is what probably drove my comment. Anyway, thanks again for the response.

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News Item12/30/12 6:48 PM
Question  Find all comments by Question
John UK wrote:
..Of course, if you are an American, this Christian principle will grate, and you will find it hard to accomplish.
Ah I see! You've decided to take offence on someone else's behalf.

Well John, you might care to read the part of his/her post to which I responded. According to him/her I am a supposedly holding to very intelligent Jesuit/German scholarship articulated impressively to which W/H would agree etc.

It is easy to make accusations and assertions. What proof was produced to make the accusation and assertion good? Your bias seems to have overlooked this.

You too, have made a judgement and imputed intellectual pride to me. On what basis? Simply for saying that someone posted something which demonstrated ignorance?! Really!!

And why do you assume that my saying that his/her post was an ignorant rant meant that I would think him/her worthless and not worthy of participating on this forum?

You appear to have a bias against me (presumably for speaking against your revered TR). This wouldn't have anything to do with your accusation now would it?

Thanks too for revealing what you really feel about us Americans! No pride there then!

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News Item12/30/12 6:47 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Question wrote:
I find it interesting that Spurgeon was a self taught linguist and those who have written of his knowledge testify that he had a very good grasp of Greek and Hebrew. Also in the Pastors' college, which was set up to raise a generation of educated preachers, many had to be taught English because their previous education was so wanting.
Another justification for why Spurgeon is sometimes called a latter-day Puritan. BTW, an edition of Britannica blundered by labeling him a Fundamentalist, a term which became popular only after his death.

Some KJV folks insist we must stop complaining about it being harder to read, & learn Elizabethan English. They don't get the irony.

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News Item12/30/12 6:21 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Question wrote:
I am at a loss. What have I said that you are trying to counter?
Question, have a look at the following infallible and inerrant words of God.

Galatians 6:2-3 KJV
2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.
3 For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.

Now supposing you had some knowledge that others did not have, it behoves you to rebuke or "put straight" in a spirit of meekness, rather than being supercilious and patronising, making use of the word "ignorant" or "ignorance" to describe those brethren (like CV) whom you consider to be inferior and unworthy of sharing the forum with.

If you wish to obey the Lord Jesus Christ, you ought rather to "bear burdens", because error always makes a burden. This is why you yourself are burdened, and I am trying to help you.

Now if you think yourself to be "something", God says that you are deceived. But if, like me, you account yourself to be "nothing" and a "nobody" in this world, you will have the smile of God on your life.

Of course, if you are an American, this Christian principle will grate, and you will find it hard to accomplish.

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News Item12/30/12 6:10 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
timeless wrote:
So why do you think many university educated folk who profess to have some working knowledge of Hebrew and Greek have so much trouble with reading the KJV? We can't have it both ways...the KJV is too difficult and archaic to read, BUT UNDERSTANDING GREEK
Wouldn't such a knowledge of the KJV improve the standard of English across the whole educational spectrum?
Why do some promote an education in Greek yet fail to see the benefits of educating to a biblical English first?
I don't think that, since Greek & Hebrew are not popular subjects. If it was OK for the KJV Translators to master those languages (as KJVO people constantly brag about), why not us?

What KJV people don't understand is, Bible translations (Lower Criticism) are NOT the issue for the educated; rather, they have been taught Higher Criticism, which is not interested in Byzantine vs. Alexandrian texts, but goes for bigger game: historical credibility & meaning.

Fundies foolishly waste energy on an issue that makes no difference either way to liberals.

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News Item12/30/12 5:51 PM
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John UK wrote:
Dependent on God's GRACE, not his "intellect".
I am at a loss. What have I said that you are trying to counter?
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News Item12/30/12 5:48 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Question wrote:
John I have no idea why you've gone down this rabbit hole!
James 2:1-9 KJV
1 My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.
2 For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment;
3 And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool:
4 Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts?
5 Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God **chosen the poor of this world rich in faith**, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?
6 But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats?
7 Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called?
8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.

Where is the wise man, where is the scholar?

Dependent on God's GRACE, not his "intellect".

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News Item12/30/12 5:02 PM
timeless  Find all comments by timeless
Neil wrote:
Even learning nothing more than Greek words at least improves one's vocabulary,
That's good! So why do you think many university educated folk who profess to have some working knowledge of Hebrew and Greek have so much trouble with reading the KJV? We can't have it both ways...the KJV is too difficult and archaic to read, BUT UNDERSTANDING GREEK is what really benefits ?

Wouldn't such a knowledge of the KJV improve the standard of English across the whole educational spectrum?

Why do some promote an education in Greek yet fail to see the benefits of educating to a biblical English first?

'Its language never was the language of the day, contrary to popular misapprehension, but was divinely provided (primarily through the word craftsmanship of William Tyndale a century earlier) to reflect the cadences and nuances of the Hebrew and the Greek, resulting in a timeless Biblical English
that has indeed stood firm through four hundred years.'

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News Item12/30/12 4:56 PM
Question  Find all comments by Question
Frank wrote:
3:46 PM. Thanks!
Thanks Frank.

Certainly not!

Where did I suggest any different?

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News Item12/30/12 4:50 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Question wrote:
I must have missed your post Frank. Can you please point me to it?

I find it interesting that Spurgeon was a self taught linguist and those who have written of his knowledge testify that he had a very good grasp of Greek and Hebrew. Also in the Pastors' college, which was set up to raise a generation of educated preachers, many had to be taught English because their previous education was so wanting. But, the syllabus, as they studied farther, included among other subjects the original languages of Scripture and also the formal study of logic.
I believe that this was the practice in the better schools and colleges of the day (and carried on into the mid-20th century), which often sought to sharpen student intellects by engaging in debating societies.

3:46 PM. Thanks!
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