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FRONT PAGE  |  8/28/2015
SUNDAY, DEC 16, 2012  |  39 comments  |  1 commentary
Christian Radio Host: God Didn’t Stop CT Shooting Because We Took Prayer Out Of Classroom
Christian radio host Bryan Fischer took to his American Family Association radio show this afternoon to say that God didn’t stop the horrific Connecticut elementary school shooting spree because he does not go “where he is not wanted.”

Fischer made the case that, in his mind, God would have protected the shooting victims had there been a system of school prayer and a respect for the Ten Commandments in public classrooms.

“Where was God when all of this went down?” Fischer began. “Here’s the bottom line: God is not going to go where he is not wanted.” ...


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Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Ok
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News Item12/20/12 4:44 PM
in  Find all comments by in
Christopher000 wrote:
I just think there is a time and a place, and the funerals of slaughtered 1st graders just isn't a good choice.
Should any of those poor children have belonged to members of this church, I have no doubt that instead of picketing and shouting God's judgement, the rest of the congregation would have allowed them to mourn for the loss of their little babies.
It's the Government they have a serious issue with, not the kids, etc. They wouldn't have protested if the children were in a non-Government school.
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News Item12/20/12 4:28 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
I just think there is a time and a place, and the funerals of slaughtered 1st graders just isn't a good choice.
Should any of those poor children have belonged to members of this church, I have no doubt that instead of picketing and shouting God's judgement, the rest of the congregation would have allowed them to mourn for the loss of their little babies.
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News Item12/20/12 1:03 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Something elsewhere wrote:
Perhaps WBC is reading the Sodom and Gomorrah passage in their Bibles and warning America to stop its evil ways. S&G was wiped off the face of the Earth. They don't desire God to do likewise with the U.S.A.
But did Abraham march with his clan into the Cities of the Plain & wave placards in the faces of all those Sodomites? All he did was petition God & treat with the angelic wrecking crew. In any case, the church is a New Covenant entity, & thus is supposed to follow Christ's directions & those of the Apostles, & not merely imitate OT Patriarchs.
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News Item12/20/12 11:58 AM
Something elsewhere  Find all comments by Something elsewhere
Neil wrote:
There's no Biblical evidence I can find that the Apostolic church concerned itself with civil misrule
Perhaps WBC is reading the Sodom and Gomorrah passage in their Bibles and warning America to stop its evil ways. S&G was wiped off the face of the Earth. They don't desire God to do likewise with the U.S.A.
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News Item12/20/12 11:45 AM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
Westboro is violating several Scriptures in their exercise of free speech…
Quite correct. There's no Biblical evidence I can find that the Apostolic church concerned itself with civil misrule, even though there was plenty to protest. For example, the Senate at the time had little authority; Cæsars had the real power, & abused it often – not far from our situation.

From what the Epistles reveal, there was trouble enough within the church, as there still is.

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News Item12/20/12 11:40 AM
Max | Can't use the word no more  Find all comments by Max
"My wife asked me last night, "arn't they Baptists? .... now she has that scene in her head whenever she hears the word "Baptist".

Exactly, it is more than a Satanic plot, the reason these hard core Calvinist heretics are never touched is because they are being used as a tool by Satan and high level government to introduce a violent level of hate into the minds of all the world that is only seen elsewhere in Islamic countries, towards anyone who ever claims the word "baptist" ever again. If even a so called Christian wife doesn't even know the difference, imagine the average unbeliever on the street who hears the word today.

The word "Baptist" is almost at the level of the word "gay" now, a word that can't even be used anymore (in its traditional sense) or you will be translated improperly in the minds of the hearers into something you don't wish to portray.

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News Item12/20/12 11:35 AM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
add wrote:
Westboro has made it their ambition to consistently protest the overarching federal government by picketing at government-related funerals. They're using the first amendment rights to express their hope for a much smaller government, fewer dead soldiers, no federally-mandated same-sex marriage, etc. When D.C. becomes a pre-1860 sized 'ghost town' they will cease and desist.
Westboro is violating several Scriptures in their exercise of free speech. Weep with those who weep, do to others as you would have them do to you, love your enemies and bless them that curse you, We give no offense in anything, that our ministry may not be blamed, to name a few. The preaching of the cross is its own offense, we need not add to it. Are they in God's stead to say what He uses to bring judgment? There is no promise that God will deal with sinners this side of glory.(Psalm 73)They bring shame to the cause of Christ. Paul said he was constrained by the LOVE of Christ, not hatred. May God rebuke us all for not sharing the gospel enough, but what they do is turning people from Christ not to Him.
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News Item12/20/12 8:16 AM
add  Find all comments by add
Westboro has made it their ambition to consistently protest the overarching federal government by picketing at government-related funerals. They're using the first ammendment to express their hope for a much smaller government, fewer dead soldiers, no federally-mandated same-sex marriage, etc. When D.C. becomes a pre-1860 sized 'ghost town' they will cease and desist.
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News Item12/20/12 7:29 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
UnprServant...you were right! The Westboro Baptist church has been on the other side of the street during the children's funerals! They have been screaming that the deaths are God's judgement on the school. The firefighters formed a shoulder to shoulder wall to block the mourners.
What's wrong with those people. My wife asked me last night, "arn't they Baptists? "Do all Baptists feel that way"? I had to do some explaining but now she has that scene in her head whenever she hears the word "Baptist".
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News Item12/18/12 7:37 AM
Bob | USA  Find all comments by Bob
Siloam wrote:
It is you asking the wrong question.
You say I am asking the wrong question...So, are you saying it's wrong to even question the public school system?
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News Item12/18/12 4:19 AM
John Beechy  Find all comments by John Beechy
Maybe God didn't stop it not because of prayer being taken out of the classroom, but BECAUSE of the classroom.
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News Item12/17/12 10:18 PM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
Bryan Fischer's "Jewish" Surname Should Speak For Itself.

Yet Fischer's Reasoning Is Very Illogical, Unreasonable & UnScriptural If Not UnHistoric &-Or UnBiblical.

As I've Previously Said--Almighty God & The Lord Jesus Christ Have Gone To Many Places "where he is not wanted".

Hell Itself Being One Notable Place:

"If I Ascend Up Into Heaven, Thou Art There: If I Make My Bed In Hell, Behold, Thou Art There."--Psalm 139:8

Again, God & Christ Have Gone Into The Very Hearts, Souls & Spirits Of Men; Who Habitually Spiritually, Psychologically & Physically Sin Against God/Christ Continuously:

"And God Saw That The Wickedness Of Man [Is] Great In The Earth, And That Every Imagination Of The Thoughts Of His Heart [Is] Only Evil Continually."--Genesis 6:5

Fischer, In My Opinion, Is A "Jewish" False Teacher & False "Prophet".

He's Advocating The Hidden-Agenda & Ulterior-Motive Of The So-Called "Judaizers" &-Or Talmudic "Jewish" Theologians:

Who Teach That One Has To Be In The "Temple 'Of God' (In Jerusalem)", That Is Old "Solomon's-Temple"--Which Was Destroyed By The Roman General Titus In 70 AD--In Order To Be In "God's Perfect & Holy Will".

Such Theology Has No Place In True Historic Biblical Christianity.

**As Christians Are The True "Temple Of God".**

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News Item12/17/12 9:29 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Neil wrote:
• I don't see what the mental condition of means God uses has to do with it. If we accept that God kills babies in earthquakes or volcanoes, why is it so horrible to say He kills using foolish persons as well?
• Is there such a thing as a mass murderer who is in his right mind?
• Along similar lines, what defines a “lunatic,” like other psychological pigeonholes, depends on which shrink you talk to. Some think Christians & Repubs are lunatics.
- Why may Lanza be called foolish, but not looney? But my comment was on the ref to the great flood and the final plague. These were if you will, "first person" caused events, no people means were involved in the causation.

I'm pleased you asked "If we accept.."

- No. But if this is true, can "lunatic" be too far off a description? Too narrow? Broad? Fuzzy?

- Didn't seek shrink opinion on the pigeonhole. Not sure they use it anyway. I think they prefer something that can be acronymed. Besides, with their rate of suicide as a profession, maybe their opinion on psych matters aren't necessarily any better than yours or mine. I merely applied my own simple thoughts, like if someone does something crazy(I know, how do you define crazy) perhaps they're crazy?

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News Item12/17/12 7:54 PM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
Whether God/Christ "Forces" Himself Upon Anyone--I'll Leave That To The Hyper-Calvinists & Hyper-Arminians To Grapple With.

The True Holy Bible Definitely Teaches That Almighty God & Christ (& The Holy Ghost [Spirit]) Go To Places Where They're Not Particularly Wanted.

Christ Jesus Said "Go Ye Into All The World, And Preach The Gospel To Every Creature."--Mark 16:15

He Meant What He Said & Said What He Meant.

Christ Didn't Say 'Go Ye Into All The Earth'--As Some Global Evangelists Advocate (Which I Also Advocate)--Christ Said 'Go Ye Into All The World'.

Now, Does This Speak Of The Physical/Material-World, The Mental/Psychological/'Soulish'-World Or The 'Spiritual'-World ?

Well, It At Least Starts With The Physical/Material &-Or Cosmological World.

"And Preach The Gospel To Every Creature."

Does This Mean To Preach The Gospel To "Animals" Or "Angels (Elect &-Or Evil)" Also?; As They're Creatures Too: Who Were Created By The Creator.

Most Historic Christians, Especially Historic Biblical Literalists Interpret The "Every Creature" To Mean "Every Man (Woman & Child)".

Well, Like "The World", Every Physical/Material/Cosmological Human Adult Is As Good A Place To Start As Any.

Then Children.

Are Christians Doing This Now?

**Globally &-Or 1 By 1?**

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News Item12/17/12 7:49 PM
Siloam  Find all comments by Siloam
Bob wrote:
No.....and your point is?
It is you asking the wrong question.
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News Item12/17/12 7:27 PM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
Apart From Bryan Fischer's Surname Speaking For Itself; I'd Say That His Reasoning Is Very Illogical, Unreasonable & UnScriptural If Not UnHistoric &-Or UnBiblical.

Almighty God & The Lord Jesus Christ Have Gone To Many Places "where he is not wanted" (Hey, I've Even Gone To Many Places I'm Not Particularly Wanted--But I Still Nonetheless Go There For Various Reasons).

Hell Itself Being One Notable Place Where God/Christ Goes Where He's Not Particularly Wanted.

"If I Ascend Up Into Heaven, Thou Art There: If I Make My Bed In Hell, Behold, Thou Art There."--Psalm 139:8

Listen, God & Christ Have Gone Into The Very Hearts, Souls & Spirits Of Men; Who Habitually Spiritually, Psychologically & Physically Sin Against God/Christ Continuously & Whose:

"...Heart is Deceitful Above All Things, And
Desperately Wicked..."--Jeremiah 17:9

Now, Whether God/Christ "Forces" Himself Upon Anyone--I'll Leave That To The Hyper-Arminians & Hyper-Calvinists To Grapple With.

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News Item12/17/12 7:01 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Mike wrote:
True, but he didn't hire lunatics to carry them out.
• I don't see what the mental condition of means God uses has to do with it. If we accept that God kills babies in earthquakes or volcanoes, why is it so horrible to say He kills using foolish persons as well?
• Is there such a thing as a mass murderer who is in his right mind?
• Along similar lines, what defines a “lunatic,” like other psychological pigeonholes, depends on which shrink you talk to. Some think Christians & Repubs are lunatics.
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News Item12/17/12 6:59 PM
Bob | USA  Find all comments by Bob
Siloam wrote:
Do you think that those in government schools are bigger sinners than in private schools or homeschool or you?
No.....and your point is?
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News Item12/17/12 5:39 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Neil wrote:
Not just his idea; consider the Great Flood, or the final plague of Egypt (Ex. 12). Much larger bodycount, too.
True, but he didn't hire lunatics to carry them out.
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