Call to Strip Citizenship of Those Who Sign Secession Petitions
Every day, thousands of citizens of all 50 states add their names to the petitions posted on the White House’s “We, the People” website calling for secession from the union.
The “We, the People” program includes a “create a petition” tab on the White House website. The explanation of the site claims that "if a petition gets enough support" — more than 25,000 signatures within 30 days — the "White House staff will review it, ensure it's sent to the appropriate policy experts, and issue an official response."
Not everyone thinks these people are simply exercising their right of expression, however. There are many — even some conservatives — who consider the act of calling for secession an act of treason.
"We here at RedState are American citizens. We have no plans to secede from the union,” wrote RedState founder Erick Erickson. “If you do, good luck with that, but this is not the place for...
Jim Lincoln wrote: I think I mentioned that Ronny Paul is kooky.
Many times over, so why mention it again? It's pretty kooky to obsess, as you do, over a candidate who lost the primary, & moreover, will no longer serve in Congress. And this from someone who touts the theory that our government is Masonic.
But OTOH, since you likewise bring up Dubya, Repubs, & the KJV gratuitiously & incessantly, this gives me reason to think you simply like playing the gadfly here, baiting people over what you think are sacred cows so you can enjoy all the fuss.
A President is the King, but only a temporary one.
David Boaz wrote: Give the last word to Washington’s great adversary, King George III. The king asked his American painter, Benjamin West, what Washington would do after winning independence. West replied, “They say he will return to his farm.”
“If he does that,” the incredulous monarch said, “he will be the greatest man in the world.”
San Jose John wrote: Exactly! When Rush Limbaugh said "I hope he (Obama) fails", he wasn't talking about America the country and its people, he was talking about OBAMA and his administration. Even so, many chose to misrepresent his statement as an "attack" on "America". Isn't it sad that so many Americans are now so much like sheep and so dependent on "government" that any criticism on said "government" is perceived to be an attack on them personally?
Exactly. That is why you need a King who is above party politics and embodies the nation!
To attack a King IS an attack on a nation as a whole. He even employs His Majesty's Loyal Opposition, an entire government in waiting, waiting for the government of the day to mess up, lose the confidence of the House, and be replaced forthwith.
It is a good system.
It is your system that creates the confusion between political leadership and representation of the country. This is despite your obsession with the separation of powers AWAY from the people's democratically accountable representatives!
Mike wrote: One of the problems with the confusion and lack of understanding among Americans is, we often confuse the country with its hired employees, otherwise known as the federal government.
Exactly!
When Rush Limbaugh said "I hope he (Obama) fails", he wasn't talking about America the country and its people, he was talking about OBAMA and his administration. Even so, many chose to misrepresent his statement as an "attack" on "America".
Isn't it sad that so many Americans are now so much like sheep and so dependent on "government" that any criticism on said "government" is perceived to be an attack on them personally?
John UK wrote: It won't be long before the United Kingdom is fragmented once again, but it will make no difference.
You are worried that a united kingdom of two kingdoms, one principality (which is part of one of the kingdoms) and six-eighths of a province will BECOME fragmented? Begs the question as to what you see as unity?
Mike wrote: Interesting question, John. Here's a thought-what if a majority, or even a number of the States wished to secede? Since the US is a "them," not an "it," we might make a case that those who took up arms to prevent secession would be the traitors, for levying war against the States. (btw, Washington DC is not part of any State) One of the problems with the confusion and lack of understanding among Americans is, we often confuse the country with its hired employees, otherwise known as the federal government.
It is an interesting scenario Mike. And I'm glad the Americans are not so lethargic and indifferent as we are in the UK. We just grumble and grouse and accept it all, even though we know it is Satan's work within guv.
It won't be long before the United Kingdom is fragmented once again, but it will make no difference.
Mike wrote: One of the problems with the confusion and lack of understanding among Americans is, we often confuse the country with its hired employees, otherwise known as the federal government.
John UK wrote: Thanks for all the info, Mike. So if I've got it right, to "call for secession" is no act of treason? But to "call for secession with arms" would be?
Interesting question, John. Here's a thought-what if a majority, or even a number of the States wished to secede? Since the US is a "them," not an "it," we might make a case that those who took up arms to prevent secession would be the traitors, for levying war against the States. (btw, Washington DC is not part of any State)
One of the problems with the confusion and lack of understanding among Americans is, we often confuse the country with its hired employees, otherwise known as the federal government.
John UK wrote: Thanks for all the info, Mike. So if I've got it right, to "call for secession" is no act of treason? But to "call for secession with arms" would be?
Sounds like you have it correct, John U.K., by the way I don't think much of the "peaceful" devolution that T. Blaire started.
San Jose John wrote: My thoughts as well. I don't remember hearing that we ever "asked" England (sic) if we could secede from them. I was always taught that we simply "declared our independence" and began the process (which included the War of Independence) of leaving their empire.
The poster formerly known as Russ wrote: While I didn't sign the petitions because if we were going to secede why would we ask for permission?
My thoughts as well. I don't remember hearing that we ever "asked" England if we could secede from them. I was always taught that we simply "declared our independence" and began the process (which included the War of Independence) of leaving their empire.
These petitions are just theater designed to show the feds how many of us in the states feel about the increasing centralization of American political power.
While I didn't sign the petitions because if we were going to secede why would we ask for permission?, I would support secession. If that means I lose citizenship, then I get free healthcare, food stamps, college education for my kids, and I don't have to pay any taxes. I can become a highly sought after voting bloc by the democrats. On top of that my citizenship is in the heavenly country and they can't strip that anyway.
Mike wrote: From the news item: "Not everyone thinks these people are simply exercising their right of expression, however. There are many — even some conservatives — who consider the act of calling for secession an act of treason." What a crock. Treason in the US is what the Constitution says it is, and nothing else. Here it is for those who like to toss the word around: Article 3, section 3, US Constitution: "Treason against the United States shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court." Some things to notice- 1) Constitutionally, the United States is a "them," not an it. 2) Treason is an overt act of warfare or an overt act of adhering to the enemies of the United States, i.e. "their enemies" as quoted above. Signing the petition as described doesn't remotely fit the description of treason.
Thanks for all the info, Mike.
So if I've got it right, to "call for secession" is no act of treason? But to "call for secession with arms" would be?
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