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THURSDAY, SEP 6, 2012  |  43 comments
Lutherans Latest to Reject New NIV Bible Over Gender Language

The updated NIV Bible has gained another critic: the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod. In a recent report, a panel of Lutherans cautioned against use of the new NIV over gender-related issues.

"The use of inclusive language in NIV 2011 creates the potential for minimizing the particularity of biblical revelation and, more seriously, at times undermines the saving revelation of Christ as the promised Savior of humankind," the Commission on Theology and Church Relations Executive Staff stated in an August report.

"Pastors and congregations of the LCMS should be aware of this serious weakness. In our judgment this makes it inappropriate for NIV 2011 to be used as a lectionary Bible or as a Bible to be generally recommended to the laity of our church." ...


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Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Very good point John U.K., unfortunately the conservative Lutherans haven't updated their idea on Martin Luther's Sacramental Gospel, Protestants dislike Popish Baptism also.

Ah, John Y., if you just acted like Zorro (the masked avenger) on Roman Catholic boards and not place heretical nonsense on this one. Doctrinal Smorgasbord? any dedicated priest (q.v., The Scandal of the Catholic Priesthood ) would quickly point out the errors of your ways.

Oh, in a previous message unfortunately due to the fact that John has put "all of his eggs in one basket," website these urls have to be corrected, Why I Am Committed to Expository Preaching, Part 1 and Why I Am Committed to Expository Preaching, Part 2.

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News Item11/5/12 4:49 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
John Yurich USA wrote:
No I didn't state that the Lutheran doctrine of Holy Communion is the same as the Catholic doctrine of Holy Communion. I stated that Luther's doctrine of Holy Communion is scriptural and that I accept the Lutheran doctrine of Holy Communion. The Lutheran doctrine of Holy Communion states that Jesus is present in, with and under the elements of bread and wine but the bread and wine remain bread and wine and do not become the literal Body and Blood of Jesus.
During the reign of (Roman Catholic) Queen Mary in the UK, that would have been enough to have had you burnt at the stake by the Roman Catholic authorities, John. And don't forget that they have never repented of such wickedness.
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News Item11/4/12 6:43 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Jim Lincoln wrote:
John Y., didn't you make a comment to a pastor you liked his sermon because of Luther's sacrament of Communion was the same as the Catholics?
No I didn't state that the Lutheran doctrine of Holy Communion is the same as the Catholic doctrine of Holy Communion. I stated that Luther's doctrine of Holy Communion is scriptural and that I accept the Lutheran doctrine of Holy Communion. The Lutheran doctrine of Holy Communion states that Jesus is present in, with and under the elements of bread and wine but the bread and wine remain bread and wine and do not become the literal Body and Blood of Jesus.
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News Item11/4/12 2:57 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
John Y., didn't you make a comment to a pastor you liked his sermon because of Luther's sacrament of Communion was the same as the Catholics? Of course it isn't. It isn't the standard one as being symbolic though. The Intention for the Bread & the Cup is different for most Protestants as compared to Lutheran idea.

It has long been recognized that the last 1984 NIV was the last acceptable version of the NIV, q.v., Comparing Bible Translations--Conclusions. The 1984 and earlier versions were excellent dynamic equivalent translations. However this type of Bible is not good for expositionary preaching, q.v. Why I am committed to Expository Preaching -part 1 and Why I am committed to Expository Preaching-part 2 and q.v., Bible Translations:The Link Between Exegesis and Expository Preaching.

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News Item10/30/12 7:13 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Mike wrote:
Since he came up with it. No, the Holy Spirit didn't guide him in this. Do you think all believers are correct about everything? I know, you're comfortable with it, and that is all that matters.
Everybody who is Born Again is guided by the Holy Spirit. And yes I think all believers are correct about everything. What is so unscriptural about the Lutheran doctrine of Holy Communion? The Lutheran doctrine of Holy Communion is 100% different than the Catholic doctrine of Holy Communion. The Lutheran doctrine of Holy Communion does not state that the bread and wine are the literal Body and Blood of Jesus.

From Luther's Small and Large Catechisms:
What is the Sacrament of The Altar?
It is the true Body and Blood of our Lord Jesus Christ under the bread and wine, instituted by Christ Himself for us Christians to eat and drink.

Notice it does not state like the Catholic Church states that the bread and wine are the literal Body and Blood of Jesus. And thus the Lutheran doctrine of Holy Communion is scriptural.

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News Item10/29/12 7:51 PM
Mike  Contact via emailFind all comments by Mike
John Yurich USA wrote:
I reject the Catholic doctrine of Holy Communion. But I accept the Lutheran doctrine of Holy Communion. But since when is Luther's doctrine of Holy Communion unscriptural? Luther was Born Again and thus being guided by the Holy Spirit.
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Since he came up with it. No, the Holy Spirit didn't guide him in this. Do you think all believers are correct about everything? I know, you're comfortable with it, and that is all that matters.
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News Item10/29/12 6:53 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Mike wrote:
I thought you rejected the unscriptural things, John.
I reject the Catholic doctrine of Holy Communion. But I accept the Lutheran doctrine of Holy Communion. But since when is Luther's doctrine of Holy Communion unscriptural? Luther was Born Again and thus being guided by the Holy Spirit. So any doctrine that Luther had was guided by the Holy Spirit. Luther retained in the Lutheran Church the Mass minus the unscriptural parts. Luther also retained in the Lutheran Church the practice of making the Sign of the Holy Cross(exact wording from Luther's Small and Large Catechisms).
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News Item10/29/12 4:39 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Mike wrote:
Thanks for the concern, bro. Appreciate it. We're only on the path because of its size. The folks on the coast have more problems. Here we're expecting 1-2 inches of rain tonight with wind gusts up to 60mph. We are kind of prepared, have plenty of food, water in case the power leaves. And a propane camp stove for cooking if necessary.
Ah, the memories of camping eh? Happy days. Good to hear you will be all right. The news over here has hundreds of thousands evacuated from Manhattan and New York like a ghost town. The worst storm in decades, apparently. Or maybe just a good news story. Time will tell.
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News Item10/29/12 2:55 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
John UK wrote:
Say Mike, you on the flight path of ye olde Sandy? How are you fixed? Just brotherly concern. Oh, you too Christopher.
Thanks for the concern, bro. Appreciate it. We're only on the path because of its size. The folks on the coast have more problems. Here we're expecting 1-2 inches of rain tonight with wind gusts up to 60mph. We are kind of prepared, have plenty of food, water in case the power leaves. And a propane camp stove for cooking if necessary.
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News Item10/29/12 12:52 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Say Mike, you on the flight path of ye olde Sandy? How are you fixed? Just brotherly concern. Oh, you too Christopher.
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News Item10/29/12 12:34 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
John Yurich USA wrote:
From Luther's Small and Large Catechisms:
What Is The Sacrament of The Altar?
It is the true Body and Blood of our Lord Jesus Christ under the bread and wine, instituted by Christ Himself for us Christians to eat and drink.
That is the doctrine of Holy Communion that I accept. When I receive Holy Communion in the Catholic Church I make believe that I am receiving the bread and wine in the manner that the Lutheran Church teaches.
I thought you rejected the unscriptural things, John.
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News Item10/29/12 6:10 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
From Luther's Small and Large Catechisms:
What Is The Sacrament of The Altar?
It is the true Body and Blood of our Lord Jesus Christ under the bread and wine, instituted by Christ Himself for us Christians to eat and drink.

That is the doctrine of Holy Communion that I accept. When I receive Holy Communion in the Catholic Church I make believe that I am receiving the bread and wine in the manner that the Lutheran Church teaches.

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News Item9/11/12 3:00 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Jim Lincoln wrote:
John U.K., what have I always said?
It's what you don't say that concerns me. How come you never make a mention of the Bible in question? In this thread it is concerning the new, whiter than white, right up to date, most excellent revision of the most excellent revision of the most excellent NIV, which many pastors, teachers and seminaries have fallen under the spell of.

What went wrong, Jim?

I tell you. Nothing went wrong. This is all part of the plan. Keep changing a little here, a little there, remove a word, remove a phrase, remove an entire verse, remove several verses, add verses and extra-biblical books, like you find in the Sinaiticus.

Sure, keep a look out for "The Shepherd of Hermas", coming in a Bible near you. Maybe not so very far away now.

You think the Vaticanus and Sinaiticus mss are valid? These texts from which modern versions have sprung up? Then put up with the consequences and expect huge changes to the modern Bible. While most thinking Christians will say "ENOUGH"!!!! And, "Let us return from whence we came, and embrace again the stability and surety of the King James Bible.

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News Item9/11/12 2:36 PM
closer look  Find all comments by closer look
Jim Lincoln wrote:
a] The NIV 1984 version or earlier! which of course is much superior to AV.

b] Older doesn't mean better and in the AV's case, much worse than many modern versions!

a] Good joke Jim.

b] Age is not the problem Jim. Its more that most intellegent Christians recognise that a version such as NIV/NASB etc which required the input of Liberal Anglican heresy and popish doctrine sympathies are not God's Holy Word, nor obviously, the Bible most accurate available.

Now the KING JAMES VERSION OF the Word of God is proven by GOD Himself over four hundred years of use and did not use a couple of heretics in its production like your modern versions did.

I pray that the Lord will lead you to His Holy Bible KJV.

"Matthew 13:51 KJV "Jesus saith unto them, Have ye understood all these things? They say unto Him, Yea, Lord."

NASB ""Have you understood all these things?" They said to Him, "Yes.""

NASB leaves out 'Jesus saith unto them' and 'Lord.' This is trying to do away with the divinity of Jesus and His Lordship."

Question is of course WHY does the NASB change the Bible at this verse? - Why did the NASB editors change anything in Scripture?

BECAUSE that is Liberal Anglicanism for you!!

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News Item9/11/12 2:14 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
John U.K., what have I always said? (Hopefully always unless I inadvertently forgot!) The NIV 1984 version or earlier! which of course is much superior to AV.
Christopher Pope wrote:
Translations Not Recommended

Advances in understanding the text of the New Testament, as well as changes in the English language, have made the Geneva Bible (GEN), King James Version (KJV), and Young's Literal Translation far obsolete. Their rating is lower for the fact that, while the most formally literal, none of them pay enough attention to the nuances of grammar and syntax. The KJV would have done better if it had kept to Tyndale's simple style instead of the elevated language that soon became outdated. The 21st Century King James Version (KJ21) might have outdone the NKJV if it had been more consistent in updating the KJV's archaisms and correcting more obvious errors such as Easter in Acts 12:4....

from, Comparing Bible Translations--Conclusions.

Older doesn't mean better and in the AV's case, much worse than many modern versions!

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News Item9/10/12 3:32 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Why, John U.K., the neo-NAZI...
So because Hitler travelled in an aeroplane, that makes the aeroplane bad, does it? Funny logic!

Now then. Anything to say about this new NIV, most modern, user-friendly, up to date, must be better because it's newer, Bible?

No?

Thought not!

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News Item9/10/12 3:03 PM
KJV English speaking-Onlyist  Find all comments by KJV English speaking-Onlyist
Want to why they do that Jim, "not rightly dividing scripture" it has nothing to do with the KJV
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News Item9/10/12 3:00 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Why, John U.K., the neo-NAZI Identity: A 'Christian' Religion for White Racists are the biggest supporters the AV, authorized by the homosexual King James I
Drs. Ankerberg & Weldon wrote:
In fact, if one uses the same logic as the KJVO proponents, and cites selected passages which seem to teach salvation by works, one could even argue that it is the KJV itself which distorts the doctrine of salvation. Remember that the KJV has been the favorite Bible of new religions and cults, like Mormonism, that promote salvation by works. Why? Because in many places the KJV verses are less clear than the reliable modern versions.
from The Conflict Over Different Bible Versions -- Part Five
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News Item9/8/12 3:49 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Jim Lincoln wrote:
No, the Vulgate..... KJV..... RV...... android Bible....
Anything to say about the rotten-to-the-core, new, bestest, whiteist, modernist, liberal, easy to read NIV, Jim? No?

Man you're just weird!

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News Item9/8/12 3:39 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
No, the Vulgate was around for his church for 1400 years, so he must have ordained it for his "Church," The Claims of the Latin Vulgate-only View. Learn Latin, much superior to English, Identity: A 'Christian' Religion for White Racists of course thinks otherwise, but then, so do homosexuals since King James I, a queer, ordained the KJV.

Centuries of corruptions finally overthrown! Part III: From the KJV to the RV (from Elegance to Accuracy). But as I said, you can have the best of both worlds, the secular and God's by getting a Comparative Study Bible or even there is a compare function in e-Sword, Crosswire, and even the android Bible program, And Bible.

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