For the first time in the nation's political history, the Republican ticket will be absent a Protestant as either the presidential or vice presidential candidate. Mitt Romney is Mormon and Paul Ryan is Catholic.
Yet the Protestant, even evangelical heavy Iowa and Nebraska delegates who are filling the convention hall in downtown Tampa seemed unfazed by this trivial fact. What they deemed more important was that both men were committed husbands and fathers and were men of deep faith.
It's all a sign the times are a'changing, Nebraska Gov. Dave Heineman told KerneyHub.com. "I think it reflects who we are as Americans. We are constantly changing. We are always striving to get better."...
mercy me wrote: In a Mainline or broadly evangelical setting, Mr Y would be soundly saved. Only in this marginalized forum could he be excoriated with "heretic," "apostate," "pagan" or some other seriouly uncharitible and unprofitible label. If your pastor is into headbutting human beings, then keep it amongst your own sect. The only persons Jesus harshly rebuked were the unfaithful religious leaders of His day (whose hearts He could discern directly). For eveyone else He extended grace and mercy. Peace.
"sect (n) [sekt] a group regarded as heretical or as deviating from a generally accepted religious tradition. "
Did you intend on convicting yourself?
btw-Even Mr Lincoln, who actually is a heretic, would qualify as saved in an evangelical setting. That qualification gives him the false confidence to incessantly promote his beliefs as authentic Christianity here.
In a Mainline or broadly evangelical setting, Mr Y would be soundly saved. Only in this marginalized forum could he be excoriated with "heretic," "apostate," "pagan" or some other seriouly uncharitible and unprofitible label. If your pastor is into headbutting human beings, then keep it amongst your own sect.
The only persons Jesus harshly rebuked were the unfaithful religious leaders of His day (whose hearts He could discern directly).
For eveyone else He extended grace and mercy.
Peace.
Jim Lincoln wrote: John Y., as I have so often pointed out, you are a heretic to both Catholics and Christians. Apparently, you didn't read at least Part 1 of that series on sacraments. (Oh by the way Ankerberg did get it wrong, Protestants don't even have two ...
Jim Lincoln wrote: John Y., as I have so often pointed out, you are a heretic to both Catholics and Christians. Apparently, you didn't read at least Part 1 of that series on sacraments. (Oh by the way Ankerberg did get it wrong, Protestants don't even have two sacraments, we have none, we have two ordinances, because carrying them out confers absolutely nothing, they are not efficacious). Unfortunately, John we haven't seen any Saving Faith at Work, because you would not be aidding and abetting an apostate church Is the One True Church Roman Catholic?. You would have made your Pilgrimage From Rome.
You are wrong. Fundamentalist Protestants have two Ordinances. Mainline Protestants have two Sacraments. How can I be a heretic to Protestants when I acccept the Protestant doctrine that salvation comes only through embracing Jesus as ones Personal Lord and Savior?
John Yurich USA wrote: Is this a joke? Obama and Biden are staunch Christians who follow what the Bible teaches? No way. Obama and Biden are for abortion, homosexuality and every other perversion under the sun and therefore they are not staunch Christians. Biden is what is known as a Catholic In Name Only because of his support of abortion and homosexuality. Obama is probably known as a nominal Protestant.
I was being sarcastic in responding to the post before mine. Sorry, about the misunderstanding.
John Yurich USA wrote: Well naturally I as a Catholic who embraced Jesus as my Savior and Lord do not believe that the Sacraments have anything to do with salvation. I consider the 7 Sacraments to be just church ceremonies dealing with various stages in life. I do not believe that Baptism imparts salvation to infants and adults. I believe that Baptism is just a dedication of infants and adults to Jesus. I do not believe in Individual Confession. I believe in Communal Reconciliation Service where everybody in attendance confesses their sins directly to Jesus and then goes up to the Altar and receives a blessing from the priest or a lay person. I do not believe that Anointing of the Sick has anything to do with salvation. I believe it just for making the individual anointed with oil to get well. I do not believe in the Catholic doctrine of Transubstantiation. I accept the Lutheran doctrine of Holy Communion. I still believe that during Confirmation the Holy Spirit is imparted to the Confirmation candidate. I still believe in the Sacrament of Ordination of Priests, Deacons and Nuns.
You aren't much of a Roman Catholic, John. But they don't know that, do they?
John Y., as I have so often pointed out, you are a heretic to both Catholics and Christians. Apparently, you didn't read at least Part 1 of that series on sacraments. (Oh by the way Ankerberg did get it wrong, Protestants don't even have two sacraments, we have none, we have two ordinances, because carrying them out confers absolutely nothing, they are not efficacious).
Jim Lincoln wrote: John Y., you forget all a Catholic has to do to be saved is to follow the 7 step or however many sacraments they are, and they're good Catholics.
Well naturally I as a Catholic who embraced Jesus as my Savior and Lord do not believe that the Sacraments have anything to do with salvation. I consider the 7 Sacraments to be just church ceremonies dealing with various stages in life. I do not believe that Baptism imparts salvation to infants and adults. I believe that Baptism is just a dedication of infants and adults to Jesus. I do not believe in Individual Confession. I believe in Communal Reconciliation Service where everybody in attendance confesses their sins directly to Jesus and then goes up to the Altar and receives a blessing from the priest or a lay person. I do not believe that Anointing of the Sick has anything to do with salvation. I believe it just for making the individual anointed with oil to get well. I do not believe in the Catholic doctrine of Transubstantiation. I accept the Lutheran doctrine of Holy Communion. I still believe that during Confirmation the Holy Spirit is imparted to the Confirmation candidate. I still believe in the Sacrament of Ordination of Priests, Deacons and Nuns.
Daniel Broadus wrote: I think a prime example of this is the ... Protestant reaction towards the Humanae Vitae. It's a great work on marriage.
I dissent; no good cause is served by a bad argument. From Humanæ Vitæ: “No member of the faithful could possibly deny that the Church is competent in her magisterium to interpret the natural moral law.”
Even assuming this is true, the problem is, Natural Law itself is fatally flawed. David Hume showed two centuries ago that one cannot infer an ”ought” from an ”is” (assuming the ”is” can actually be established, which is a very difficult problem in epistemology). Thus ethical Natural Law collapses, along with all ethical arguments grounded in it.
Rome errs in attempting to go beyond Scripture, which was the vital issue of the Reformation, not merely ”hubris”, an attempt to psychologize.
Unprofitable Servant wrote: Well, thank the Lord, Barak Obama and Joe Biden are staunch Christians who follow what the Bible teaches.
Is this a joke? Obama and Biden are staunch Christians who follow what the Bible teaches? No way. Obama and Biden are for abortion, homosexuality and every other perversion under the sun and therefore they are not staunch Christians. Biden is what is known as a Catholic In Name Only because of his support of abortion and homosexuality. Obama is probably known as a nominal Protestant.
Jim Lincoln wrote: Excellent Frank! The article should have said, "There aren't even any nominal Christians on the ticket!" Roman Catholics, Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses. Already Mr. Romney has put his candidacy to good (really bad!) use in advertising his church as being, We're Christians just like you!--and they most assuredly not Christian.
Thanks Jim! As you know I use the NASB, but I tried to use the KJ so I wouldn't offend my weaker brothers, but I hit the wrong button by mistake and I don't have a clue which version I used. But, expect the KJ from now on unless I am in a hurry.
If you were to ask a politcal leader in any of the parties whether or not RCC, Mormons, etc. are cults they would all say no. They are politicians, not Christians!
Modernity and modern "protestants" have abandoned metaphysics. As a Protestant myself, I am ashamed to admit that if the RCC were to concede to the demands of the early reformers, today, the "protestant" churches would find some other reason not to submit to the church's authority. The reason being is that individualism and a general attitude of hubris towards tradition and authority has overcome the majority of Protestantism.
I think a prime example of this is the ... Protestant reaction towards the Humanae Vitae. It's a great work on marriage. I think it's to one's discredit if they read it, read of the truths it talks about, and then turn their backs on it because it's "Roman Catholic." That is evidence of intellectual stubbornness and a resistance to truth.
Frank wrote: If you attend or defend the Catholic church, you are guilty of the above.
Already Mr. Romney has put his candidacy to good (really bad!) use in advertising his church as being, We're Christians just like you!--and they most assuredly not Christian.
2 Corinthians 6:14. Be not unequally yoked with unbelievers: for what fellowship have righteousness and iniquity? or what communion hath light with darkness? 15. And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what portion hath a believer with an unbeliever? 16. And what agreement hath a temple of God with idols? for we are a temple of the living God; even as God said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17. Wherefore Come ye out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, And touch no unclean thing; And I will receive you, 18. And will be to you a Father, And ye shall be to me sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
We are not only commanded to have no spiritual fellowship with unbelievers, but God states that He will not welcome us and be a Father to us if we reject His advice. Also notice the lack of gray areas in Paul’s comparisons: righteousness – lawlessness, light – darkness, Christ – Belial, “believer – unbeliever”, temple of God (our bodies) – idols.
If you attend or defend the Catholic church, you are guilty of the above.
There was a Baptist who confessed Christ and defended bll f rhgts, that was a candidate. He had so many delegates the RNC had to change the election rules to keep out their voices.
A multiday fest was held in Tampa previous to the convention. Included in the speakers was a Baptist Pastor who was once presd' candidate for the Cohn Party.
The evangelical church has listened to Beelzabub instead.
It is strange and odd to watch a generation fear the Mslm religion and at that same time hand over the freedoms that protect them from such a monolithic force.....not seeing what they have become.
reminds me very much of the Isrlts in the desert, saved from slavery in Egypt but remaining in the desert for a generation.
Pray for the coptic Christians of Egypt. Their daughters being taken from them. So very tragic. They are the Revelations church. And we vote for those that give them this "democracy".
What have you, rapturists, to say of the dear ones being crucified?
John Yurich USA wrote: The Apostles Creed which is the Statement of Faith of the Catholic Church states "WE BELIEVE IN ONE LORD JESUS CHRIST THE ONLY SON OF GOD", which is the biblical and historical Jesus that the Catholic Church has always worshipped. I have never worshipped anybody but the biblical and historical Jesus.
Who is your Jesus? Is he the effeminate long hair person the RC promotes? Is he an only child like the RCC believes? Is he the drinker of blood and a cannibal since the RCC believes the wine and bread to be literal blood and literal flesh? I have heard of the Roman Catholic Jesus and I have heard of the Biblical Jesus. They may share the same name but that's about all.
John Yurich USA wrote: The Apostles Creed which is the Statement of Faith of the Catholic Church states "WE BELIEVE IN ONE LORD JESUS CHRIST THE ONLY SON OF GOD", which is the biblical and historical Jesus that the Catholic Church has always worshipped. I have never worshipped anybody but the biblical and historical Jesus.
John Yurich, As gently as I might, because of the things you have repeatedly posted, you worship a 'jesus' of your own making, a spin on the Jesus of the Bible to fit what you want Him to be, essentially paraphrasing David Platt author of Radical , you are worshipping yourself.
And sadly many today do the same kind of thing in apostate heretical emergent seeker sensitive and purpose driven ecumenical interfaith counterfeits of Biblical Christianity.
As to the news article, we haven't had a serious Bible believing Christian candidate for president longer than I can remember, but maybe my memory is faulty or something.
Frank wrote: That is why I said they were a good counterfeit. I found lots of internet articles on the cult of Catholicism, but the below addresses your concern. "The one thing that all cults have in common is that they deny the deity of Christ. But you say, “the Catholics don’t do that!” Ah but they do. The Jesus that died on the cross according to Rome was not sufficient to pay for sin. Purgatory and the Treasury of the Communion of the Saints is also nessary for salvation. That my friend, is a different Jesus. Paying lip service to His deity and then denying His atoning sacrifice is not the Jesus of the Bible!" I was raised Catholic so I suppose you could say I was saved out of that diabolical system. I have written about 50 pages on the cult of Catholicism if you want more information. My email is of course above. Here is a very true statement. There is no doctrine in Catholicism that is according to scripture; none!
The Apostles Creed which is the Statement of Faith of the Catholic Church states "WE BELIEVE IN ONE LORD JESUS CHRIST THE ONLY SON OF GOD", which is the biblical and historical Jesus that the Catholic Church has always worshipped. I have never worshipped anybody but the biblical and historical Jesus.
John. I pray u search the scriptures. And let that be your tool. My pastor is always encourageing us to examine everything with scripture. Even his messages..The catholic church leaves everything up to the pope. He makes the final decisions. Who are u going to trust? Man? Or God Alone, and His God Breathed Word?
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but I hit the wrong button by mistake and I don't have a clue which version I used. 
But, expect the KJ from now on unless I am in a hurry.
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