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FRIDAY, APR 12, 2013  |  345 comments
John 3:16 Conference addresses Calvinism

While stressing that the discussion between Calvinists and non-Calvinists in the Southern Baptist Convention is a family matter, speakers at the 2013 John 3:16 Conference outlined the differences between the two views and what they believe to be the issues hindering unity among Southern Baptists.

Frank Cox, pastor of North Metro Baptist Church in Lawrenceville, Ga., which hosted the conference on March 21-22, told attendees that the event would help them "engage in the conversation going on across the nation and the Southern Baptist Convention."

Jerry Vines, pastor emeritus of First Baptist Church in Jacksonville, Fla., opened the conference by saying it was not about anger or fighting anyone over these issues. ...


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News Item4/15/13 4:06 PM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
Lurker wrote:
....it's a starting point, eh?
Thanks bro for your answer.

I was thinking of Jer 31.31-34

Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the ****house of Israel, and with the house of Judah****:

Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

This is the passage that is cross referenced in Hebrews 8.10.

I believe this is why Paul is able to call the people under he NC "the Israel of God" Gal 6.16 and why James is able to address his epistle to the "twelve tribes" James 1.1

What say you?

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News Item4/15/13 3:58 PM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
SteveR wrote:
Untrue, but I will overlook the slander considering what is happening in Boston
Our prayers need to go out to the injured and their families
SteveR
No slander, I gave my "opinion" as you are quite famous for defending Roman Catholicism and denigrating those who dissent with her. Since you seem to be touchy about having your behavior questioned you might considers repenting.

And I appreciate my wife and daughter making me aware of the horrific attack in Boston.

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News Item4/15/13 3:52 PM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
Michael Hranek wrote:
Observer
IMHO it has nothing to do with arriving at a logical Biblical sound conclusion BECAUSE such an end would have much to do with genuine Biblical Salvation including fleeing the RCC like it has somekind of --------- transmitted diesease caught in her spiritual adulteries with the kings of the earth and assorted false religions, hastening the wrath of Holy God to fall upon her.
IMHO SteveR is one of the new serious Catholic Evangelists, whose goal is to lead people, lapsed Catholics, nominal, ignorant or frightfully gullible Protestants, Presbyterians, Evangelicals, Pentecostals and sadly even some Baptists and others, not to saving faith in Christ but back to the Roman Catholic Religion.
Untrue, but I will overlook the slander considering what is happening in Boston

Our prayers need to go out to the injured and their families

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News Item4/15/13 3:44 PM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
Observer wrote:
How on earth does his arrive at this conclusion?
Observer
IMHO it has nothing to do with arriving at a logical Biblical sound conclusion BECAUSE such an end would have much to do with genuine Biblical Salvation including fleeing the RCC like it has somekind of --------- transmitted diesease caught in her spiritual adulteries with the kings of the earth and assorted false religions, hastening the wrath of Holy God to fall upon her.

IMHO SteveR is one of the new serious Catholic Evangelists, whose goal is to lead people, lapsed Catholics, nominal, ignorant or frightfully gullible Protestants, Presbyterians, Evangelicals, Pentecostals and sadly even some Baptists and others, not to saving faith in Christ but back to the Roman Catholic Religion.

Just heard after posting:
Pray for "Boston" and as the Lord leads
and consider this is Patriot's Day in Massachusetts

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News Item4/15/13 3:43 PM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
John UK wrote:
And the sign outside the SA board room read...
"Gone fishing".
Multiple explosions at the Boston Marathon
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News Item4/15/13 3:41 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Observer wrote:
Hey bro,
Quick question to you, if you don't mind.
The New Covenant promise in the OT, who was it made to?
Good question bro. Of course I don.t mind.

The NC (better) promise:

1Jo 2:25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, [even] eternal life. (cf John 10:27-30)

Made to the children of promise.... the seed of faithful Abraham and Sarah which is Christ and all who are in Him and Him in them.

I'm not aware that this explicit promise is made anywhere in the Old Testament even though it is implicit in many OT texts.

Jhn 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

I doubt this is the exact answer you were looking for but it's a starting point, eh?

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News Item4/15/13 3:17 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
CV wrote:
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Any honest examination of these biblical terms with Free-Will will show that they are incompatible. "Foreknowledge", or "sovreignty" is feigned. Are Free-Willers uncomfortable with the conlusion their position reduces to? Whose sovreignty is it?
If you truly believe God is sovereign why do you have problems with God sovereignly decreeing that man shall have free will in time? Whose sovereignty is it?
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News Item4/15/13 3:08 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
And the sign outside the SA board room read...

"Gone fishing".

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News Item4/15/13 1:02 PM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
SteveR wrote:
After that analysis of Replacement Theology you ask him that question? lol
another day of the blind leadiing the blind....oyyyy
2 hints
1) Michael isnt defending RT
2) Nobody claims to hold the views of RT
RT is a negative label that dispensationalists attach to any Christian dogma that confirms the Gospel must be preached to & accepted by Jewish Israelis for their salvation
They say there are some people in this world with cognative skills deficit; they just cannot think to process information.

Until recently, I would have said that that was just nonsense.

Now that I've met SteveR I'm having to re-assess my verdict.

SteveR wrote:
RT is a negative label that dispensationalists attach to any Christian dogma that confirms the Gospel must be preached to & accepted by Jewish Israelis for their salvation
How on earth does he arrive at this conclusion?
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News Item4/15/13 12:17 PM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
Observer wrote:
Hey bro,
Quick question to you, if you don't mind.
The New Covenant promise in the OT, who was it made to?
After that analysis of Replacement Theology you ask him that question? lol

another day of the blind leadiing the blind....oyyyy

2 hints
1) Michael isnt defending RT
2) Nobody claims to hold the views of RT

RT is a negative label that dispensationalists attach to any Christian dogma that confirms the Gospel must be preached to & accepted by Jewish Israelis for their salvation

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News Item4/15/13 11:46 AM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
Lurker wrote:
After a bit of research into replacement theology, it seems to be a construct set up in opposition to dispensationalism.
"All the different views of the relationship between the church and Israel can be divided into two camps: either the church is a continuation of Israel (replacement/covenant theology), or the church is completely different and distinct from Israel (dispensationalism/premillennialism).
Replacement theology teaches that the church is the replacement for Israel and that the many promises made to Israel in the Bible are fulfilled in the Christian church, not in Israel."
While I don't hold to dispensationalism I can't subscribe to the description above either.
All the promises made to Abraham were fulfilled long ago when the first temple was completed (1 Kings 8:56). Christians are the heirs of better promises derived from a better (new) covenant (Heb 8:6). Therefore, I can't agree that the church (body of Christ) is a continuation of first covenant Israel either.
From my brief look into replacement theology, it appears to be a poor counter to dispensationalism; a can of worms which I will avoid.
Hey bro,

Quick question to you, if you don't mind.

The New Covenant promise in the OT, who was it made to?

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News Item4/15/13 11:10 AM
CV  Find all comments by CV
Michael Hranek wrote:
CV
the issue is often something far different than the things you are writting.
Perhaps Michael
Election - whose is it? Of man or of God?
Sovreignty- of man or of God?

Michael I can understand if you don't want to discuss "TULIP" or "Calvin" anymore.

Arminianism was used as a label for quick identity of a particular set of beliefs. Short of enumerating all over everything it stands for. Perhaps I should've used "free-will". Regardless, the position can be reduced down to what I've stated.

Predestination- When God pre-destined man, before the creation of this world, he did a dry-run with man so man could make that determination for God.

Foreknowledge- man knows first because he acts first, which Man then hands back to God. On the re-run God is attributed with "foreknowledge".

Free-Will theology cannot accomodate these biblical terms proper, but they use it because they are in the bible, but then redefine it out of exitence. Any honest examination of these biblical terms with Free-Will will show that they are incompatible. "Foreknowledge", or "sovreignty" is feigned. Are Free-Willers uncomfortable with the conlusion their position reduces to? Whose sovreignty is it?

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News Item4/15/13 11:04 AM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
After a bit of research into replacement theology, it seems to be a construct set up in opposition to dispensationalism.

"All the different views of the relationship between the church and Israel can be divided into two camps: either the church is a continuation of Israel (replacement/covenant theology), or the church is completely different and distinct from Israel (dispensationalism/premillennialism).

Replacement theology teaches that the church is the replacement for Israel and that the many promises made to Israel in the Bible are fulfilled in the Christian church, not in Israel."

While I don't hold to dispensationalism I can't subscribe to the description above either.

All the promises made to Abraham were fulfilled long ago when the first temple was completed (1 Kings 8:56). Christians are the heirs of better promises derived from a better (new) covenant (Heb 8:6). Therefore, I can't agree that the church (body of Christ) is a continuation of first covenant Israel either.

From my brief look into replacement theology, it appears to be a poor counter to dispensationalism; a can of worms which I will avoid.

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News Item4/15/13 10:56 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Observer wrote:
Ahhhh, he's a toe dipper eh? I mean someone who wants one toe in the Doctrines of Grace but is too scared to be baptized into it! And he's a Baptist to boot?! Now that's doubly funny!
Bro, I am not a theological, however I do believe that if any man that is born again of the Spirit will attend unto the reading and study of scripture, he will inevitably (if not influenced by men) arrive at a biblical perspective concerning man and his salvation which I would describe as "the biblical doctrines of free and sovereign grace". He will also find some fault with Frenchy's theories (if he ever looks them up), and find Pelagius a heretic (if ever he should look him up), and the arminist and dispensationalist camps to have serious error (if ever he should come across them). He will also find many cults which deny even the deity of Christ, like the JW's and Mormons (if he should ever come across them) and a multitude of minor sects who break away from their roots at a trifle, and various bizarre groups, such as the Shakers - now deceased.

The obvious solution then, if a man would have at the truth, is for God to have mercy on him in quickening power, and then for the Spirit to teach him the word of God, which is the truth.

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News Item4/15/13 10:17 AM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
John UK wrote:
His eternal security doctrine is a P, but his other doctrines are arminist, so it is a bit of mix and match, certainly not arminist, because 20% tulip.
Ahhhh, he's a toe dipper eh? I mean someone who wants one toe in the Doctrines of Grace but is too scared to be baptized into it! And he's a Baptist to boot?! Now that's doubly funny!
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News Item4/15/13 9:44 AM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
Michael Hranek wrote:
SteveR
I've got to hand it to you, you seem to be a thoroughly trained and endoctrinated RC Evangelist, out to bring people into the RCC, BUT NOT to the Lord Jesus Christ.
Now if you want to really talk the replacement theology of the RCC we could at least touch on Mary and how the RCC substitutes her (RC version of her) for the Lord Jesus Christ, as an example of the horrific blasphemous replacement theology of the RCC.
And yes, there would be the matter of Israel as well BUT for the born again child of God the matter of Mary, the Queen of Heaven the comediatrix of all grace, the one Pope Francis 1 prayed to in his first appearance as Pope would be a better starting point as it shows the RCC is a false church with a very false gospel and genuine born again Christian ought to love Catholics and evangelize them to Christ.

late, got to run errands etc.
Rather than defend your heretical point of view of the Gospel, you take an easy jab at Mariology and run away? Two long posts misrepresenting my association with the RCC isnt a defense of your 'Replacement Theology' argument. However, it should keep your bros from admonishing you of the heresy(which I will guess was the intention)
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News Item4/15/13 9:24 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
SteveR wrote:
I see you are trying to link Replacement Theology with the RCC alone, but its a heretical point of view of the Gospel that even your bro's here dont accept
SteveR
I've got to hand it to you, you seem to be a thoroughly trained and endoctrinated RC Evangelist, out to bring people into the RCC, BUT NOT to the Lord Jesus Christ.

Now if you want to really talk the replacement theology of the RCC we could at least touch on Mary and how the RCC substitutes her (RC version of her) for the Lord Jesus Christ, as an example of the horrific blasphemous replacement theology of the RCC.

And yes, there would be the matter of Israel as well BUT for the born again child of God the matter of Mary, the Queen of Heaven the comediatrix of all grace, the one Pope Francis 1 prayed to in his first appearance as Pope would be a better starting point as it shows the RCC is a false church with a very false gospel and genuine born again Christian ought to love Catholics and evangelize them to Christ.

late, got to run errands etc.

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News Item4/15/13 9:05 AM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
Michael Hranek wrote:
SteveR
As politely and respectfully as I might.
I was raised Roman Catholic and have personal knowledge of their replacement theology and likewise their antisemitism.
Dave Hunt is NOT the issue, the Truth is AND I am well aware the RCC fails its own people miserably in this area, hijacking the Scriptures, falsely claiming the RCC gave men the Scriptures and that the Magisterium of the RCC are the only authorized interpreters of Scriptures
Whereas God Himself gave men the Scriptures, the Scripture have the authority of God to instruct and command us in what we think, what we believe and in how we live (not you alls Popes, thank you very much)
AND even on this thread the matter is illustrated for those who open their eyes.
I was NOT taught, NOT in the least, to believe John 3:16, to believe in the sufficiency of the Sacrifical work of Christ and His willingness to save a sinner like me, and any honest Catholic will admit the same and how the RCC teaches people must have the church, and RC Things like the mass, Mary and the Rosary, the Pope and Purgatory.
I see you are trying to link Replacement Theology with the RCC alone, but its a heretical point of view of the Gospel that even your bro's here dont accept
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News Item4/15/13 8:57 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
SteveR wrote:
Thats only one way Hunt has beguiled you. You understand neither the PROMISE made to Abraham, his 'seed,' or the distiction of the ONLY Bride of Christ....The Church
SteveR
As politely and respectfully as I might.
I was raised Roman Catholic and have personal knowledge of their replacement theology and likewise their antisemitism.

Dave Hunt is NOT the issue, the Truth is AND I am well aware the RCC fails its own people miserably in this area, hijacking the Scriptures, falsely claiming the RCC gave men the Scriptures and that the Magisterium of the RCC are the only authorized interpreters of Scriptures

Whereas God Himself gave men the Scriptures, the Scripture have the authority of God to instruct and command us in what we think, what we believe and in how we live (not you alls Popes, thank you very much)

AND even on this thread the matter is illustrated for those who open their eyes.

I was NOT taught, NOT in the least, to believe John 3:16, to believe in the sufficiency of the Sacrifical work of Christ and His willingness to save a sinner like me, and any honest Catholic will admit the same and how the RCC teaches people must have the church, and RC Things like the mass, Mary and the Rosary, the Pope and Purgatory.

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News Item4/15/13 8:46 AM
Helps | UK  Find all comments by Helps
Dorcas wrote:
To Helps of UK,
You wanted to know how I knew of brother Alexander,someone posted his name on this thread.
Thank you whoever it was, we sure have been blessed by his sermons!
That was me.

I thought reading your posts that perhaps you had heard of him before. Oh well!

Glad to have been of service.

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