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Catholic, Protestant Churches Sign Historic Baptism Agreement
Leaders representing the Roman Catholic Church and some American Protestant denominations have signed an agreement in Texas to recognize each other's baptisms.

After about six years of dialogue, the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, the Reformed Church in America, Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.), the Christian Reformed Church in North America, and the United Church of Christ signed a document recognizing each other's liturgical rites of baptism.

The five denominations signed the "Common Agreement on Mutual Recognition of Baptism," affirming the baptism agreement on Tuesday evening at a prayer service held at St. Mary's Cathedral in Austin. ...


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John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
John for JESUS wrote:
JOHN UK...1. Do you consider the Apostles Creed or Nicene Creed doctrinal statements? 2. How about before the Reformation, was it Christian? 3. Or do you believe the Church took a hiatus between the time of the apostles and the Reformation? 4. Also, do you believe in fatalism?
A lot of questions, John, but I will try to answer them all.

1. The Apostle's Creed and Nicene Creed were both doctrinal statements.

2. Obviously not, or God would not have needed to bring in the Reformation, which brought the gospel to the attention of countless folks who were living in darkness.

3. No, I do not believe that. There have always been Christians in the world, and during times of abject apostasy these Christians have been persecuted mercilessly.

4. Fatalism is the preserve of HyperCalvinists, not me.

5. Now, have you found any doctrinal statements yet which contain the gospel, and come from Catholic theologians?

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News Item2/4/13 5:56 PM
John for JESUS | Atl  Find all comments by John for JESUS
KNOWING THE KNOW...Thanks for the post, I think it is well said. I believe nonbelievers know there is a God. I also believe they know the ordinance of God and they have a conscience. So they know there is a God and He is to be honored and obeyed.
JOHN UK...Do you consider the Apostles Creed or Nicene Creed doctrinal statements? How about before the Reformation, was it Christian? Or do you believe the Church took a hiatus between the time of the apostles and the Reformation? Also, do you believe in fatalism?
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News Item2/4/13 4:30 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
John for JESUS wrote:
JOHN UK...I don't see anywhere in the Bible where God cannot look into the future and see what will happen and prophecy about it. As Sovereign Ruler over us, he does decree some things but He doesn't dictate everything otherwise the Bible would call Him our Dictator. What this all has to do with the price of peanuts, I don't know. I was just asking if the Catholic Church is Christian or ever has been.
The natural man, and arministic believers, like to believe destiny is in the hand of man. But scripture, and life experience, teach otherwise.

Sure, we live life, and seek to do what is right, but even the result of the dice cast is in the hand of God.

As regarding the Catholic Church, can you produce any doctrinal statements from that church in any generation which contain salvation truth? If so, then I will have to agree with you. Let me see it. But for sure, from the Dark Ages onwards, there is not a sign of the true gospel in any Catholic documents. Have you read The Council of Trent yet? Maybe that would help you to see that the Catholic Church is your enemy, and that it holds you as damned if you believe the true gospel of salvation by grace alone through faith alone in Jesus Christ alone.

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News Item2/4/13 3:26 PM
John for JESUS | Atl  Find all comments by John for JESUS
JOHN UK...I don't see anywhere in the Bible where God cannot look into the future and see what will happen and prophecy about it. As Sovereign Ruler over us, he does decree some things but He doesn't dictate everything otherwise the Bible would call Him our Dictator. What this all has to do with the price of peanuts, I don't know. I was just asking if the Catholic Church is Christian or ever has been.

Farmus...I am not a Arminian because I believe the Word is the power of God for salvation (not a pre-indwelling of the Holy Spirit) and I believe in eternal security.

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News Item2/4/13 3:17 PM
knowing the know  Find all comments by knowing the know
John for JESUS wrote:
Rms 1:19 states "that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them." Yet they still did not accept the truth
Rom 1:19-21.
"How they knew it: By the things that are made,(v20) which could not make themselves, nor fall into such an exact order and harmony by any casual hits; and therefore must have been produced by some first cause or intelligent agent, which first cause could be no other than an eternal powerful God. See Ps. 19:1; Isa. 40:26; Acts 17:24. The workman is known by his work. The variety, multitude, order, beauty, harmony, different nature, and excellent contrivance, of the things that are made, the direction of them to certain ends, and the concurrence of all the parts to the good and beauty of the whole, do abundantly prove a Creator and his eternal power and Godhead. Thus did the light shine in the darkness. And this from the creation of the world." (M.Henry)
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News Item2/4/13 11:50 AM
Isuis  Find all comments by Isuis
Farmus wrote:
1. The Bible is talking to Christians today.
2. Rom 1:19 [1] NOT saving knowledge.
[2] NOT "truth" which saves.
[3] NOT Christian belief.
[4] NOT faith the gift of God.
[5] NOT indwelling of Holy Spirit.
Rom 1:19 [a] This "knowing" is from mortal observation of Creator God.
[b] This "knowing" to all mankind is God as the creator of the world.
[c] V20 qualifies this "knowledge" manifest of creation. - "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse"
[d] V21 sin takes over the mortal mind.
Truth and saving knowledge is from God the Holy Spirit. - NOT from mans faculties or observation of his surroundings.
Question: Are you an Arminian?
Is u is or is u aint a presby?
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News Item2/4/13 11:38 AM
Farmus  Find all comments by Farmus
John for JESUS wrote:
1. Jesus is talking to Jews who had believed

2. Rms 1:19 states "that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them." Yet they still did not accept the truth

1. The Bible is talking to Christians today.

2. Rom 1:19 [1] NOT saving knowledge.
[2] NOT "truth" which saves.
[3] NOT Christian belief.
[4] NOT faith the gift of God.
[5] NOT indwelling of Holy Spirit.

Rom 1:19 [a] This "knowing" is from mortal observation of Creator God.
[b] This "knowing" to all mankind is God as the creator of the world.
[c] V20 qualifies this "knowledge" manifest of creation. - "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse"
[d] V21 sin takes over the mortal mind.

Truth and saving knowledge is from God the Holy Spirit. - NOT from mans faculties or observation of his surroundings.

Question: Are you an Arminian?

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News Item2/3/13 11:50 PM
John for JESUS | Atl  Find all comments by John for JESUS
Farmus wrote:
You said below quote; "2. The Bible says having known the truth unbelievers reject the truth in unrighteousness"
Jesus says quote; "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." John 8:32.
If providing the sinner with the truth sets them free then surely the "unbeliever" could not have "known" the truth, else this would have set him free.
I think the problem which the unbeliever/reprobate has is that he does not have the ability to receive the truth. This being provided by the Holy Spirit and God's gift of faith.
John 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
Jesus is talking to Jews who had believed Him (v31) in John 8:32. So the truth they were to know wasn't that God was real and that Jesus was sent by God, but rather they would know what it's like to be set free from the Law. Speaking of unbelievers, Rms 1:19 states "that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them." Yet they still did not accept the truth. Rms 1:21 says, "For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God, or give thanks;" v32 says, "..although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, .."
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News Item2/3/13 5:29 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
John for JESUS wrote:
1. God only tells us what Caesar decreed. That's different than God saying it.
1. Wow, that's a new one. We need to spend some time looking just at this text, for it is important for the fulfilling of prophecy.

Caesar decreed it? Correct. Who ordered it? God ordered it. Could Caesar have done any other? No, for it was prophesied a long time before. What was prophesied a long time before? The fact that the Lord Jesus Christ, God's Son, should be born in a small village called Bethlehem, just outside Jerusalem. But his mother and Joseph lived in Nazareth, which was a long journey away. Why should a pregnant Mary go all the way to Bethlehem? What possible cause could make her undertake such a journey? A decree from Caesar. A strange decree? Well yes, why not? God ordered it, and the prophecy was fulfilled.

Now please note that God does not look into the future to see what will happen, and then give that information to a prophet to give out as a prophecy.

Nor does he look forward in time to observe who will receive salvation, and then chooses such.

God is far bigger than you imagine him to be. And God sovereignly orders all things according to his purposes not our's. I Hope this helps.

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News Item2/3/13 4:46 PM
John for JESUS | Atl  Find all comments by John for JESUS
1. God only tells us what Caesar decreed. That's different than God saying it.
2. Not sure which.
3. The men may have been using hyperbole, I'm not sure. Again it was what they claimed, not that it was true. God is only pointing out what they said to one another.
I wonder why you don't point to the verses that say God created the world or that He will judge the world?
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News Item2/3/13 1:21 PM
Farmus  Find all comments by Farmus
John for JESUS wrote:
Not sure how it is the other way around by those verses
You said below quote; "2. The Bible says having known the truth unbelievers reject the truth in unrighteousness"

Jesus says quote; "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." John 8:32.

If providing the sinner with the truth sets them free then surely the "unbeliever" could not have "known" the truth, else this would have set him free.

I think the problem which the unbeliever/reprobate has is that he does not have the ability to receive the truth. This being provided by the Holy Spirit and God's gift of faith.
John 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

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News Item2/3/13 12:17 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
John for JESUS wrote:
1. So you believe Caesar was equating the world with the Roman civilization?
2. Yes, I believe there could have been a world wide famine or the specific part ofthe world being talked about.
3. I don't know to what extent Diana was worshiped. Their claim was that the idol was worshiped in all the world.
4. Figure of speach about the whole world
1. It was Luke who wrote that, under the inspiration of the Spirit. The Empire was about one twentieth of the inhabited world (any scholars like to elucidate on that?). To anyone local, the Empire "was" the whole world, as they knew it. I hope you're getting a grasp of this.

2. Worldwide famine virtually impossible. A local famine in the entire region more likely.

3. They did NOT mean that Diana's ministers had reached the entire earth and evangelised it to such an extent that worshippers could be found all over the world. John, you're up a right old gum tree with that one.

4. Excellent!

John, I have to get ready for the meeting. But if you wish to respond, please do so, and I will have a look later on tonight.

Anyone else?

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News Item2/3/13 12:02 PM
John for JESUS | Atl  Find all comments by John for JESUS
1. So you believe Caesar was equating the world with the Roman civilization?
2. Yes, I believe there could have been a world wide famine or the specific part ofthe world being talked about.
3. I don't know to what extent Diana was worshiped. Their claim was that the idol was worshiped in all the world.
4. Figure of speach about the whole world
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News Item2/3/13 9:37 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
John for JESUS wrote:
John UK...1. Luke 2:1. I don't doubt Caesar tried to tax all the world.
2. Acts 11:22 I believe there was a famine throughout the world. That doesn't mean everyone starved to death.
3. Acts 19:27 those men claiming that the world worshiped Diana and reality could have been two different things. Or Diana was worshipped throughout the world and not by every person.
I believe God though that He created the world, not just the oceans or mountains and I believe He sent His Son to die for the sins of the world although not all in the world believe.
John, stick to scripture. Observe:
Luke 2:1 KJV
1 And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the world should be taxed.

1. Who said anything about "trying" to tax? The authorities taxed everyone who was in subjection to the Roman Empire. But that was not the whole world.

2. They didn't have communications in the 1st century like we have. Your theory is dependent on the word world meaning "the whole world".

3. Are you saying that the false goddess Diana was worshipped by some from all countries in the world?

4. Correct - God created the world, but don't forget, the apostles turned it upside down. Really?

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News Item2/3/13 7:41 AM
John for JESUS | Atl  Find all comments by John for JESUS
John UK...1. Luke 2:1. I don't doubt Caesar tried to tax all the world.
2. Acts 11:22 I believe there was a famine throughout the world. That doesn't mean everyone starved to death.
3. Acts 19:27 those men claiming that the world worshiped Diana and reality could have been two different things. Or Diana was worshipped throughout the world and not by every person.
I believe God though that He created the world, not just the oceans or mountains and I believe He sent His Son to die for the sins of the world although not all in the world believe.
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News Item2/3/13 7:30 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Ah, John Y., So, a lot of false religions recognize Jesus, but they are anti-Christian, Roman Catholics, Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses (PDF), I think well all consider conservative Lutheranism really quite close to Christianity (much more so that Catholicism) but Protestants do not recognize the Lutheran attitude about baptism Martin Luther's Sacramental Gospel and find Popish Baptism a blasphemy.
We are Justified by Faith Apart from Works especially for Catholics, Examine Yourself! Are You in the Faith? (PDF)
The Mormon and JW organizations do not worship Jesus as God whereas Catholicism has always worshipped Jesus as God. Therefore the Catholic Church has nothing whatsoever in common with the Mormon and JW Cults.
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News Item2/3/13 2:41 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
John for JESUS wrote:
John UK...Yes I believe "world" means world. I believe I answered your points about 5 hours ago.
In that case, John, you need to consider the following:

Luke 2:1 KJV
1 And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the world should be taxed.

"All the world"? Do you still think "world" means "world"? I hope not!

Now John, I appreciate your biblical literalism, but you really need to think a bit more deeply about what you read and how you interpret it.

Observe:
Acts 11:28 KJV
28 And there stood up one of them named Agabus, and signified by the Spirit that there should be great dearth throughout all the world: which came to pass in the days of Claudius Caesar.

"All the world"?

Acts 19:27 KJV
27 So that not only this our craft is in danger to be set at nought; but also that the temple of the great goddess Diana should be despised, and her magnificence should be destroyed, whom all Asia and the world worshippeth.

"The whole world" was worshipping Diana?

I hope you can see the point I am making.

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News Item2/3/13 12:11 AM
John for JESUS | Atl  Find all comments by John for JESUS
Farmus wrote:
No! Turn that round the other way. Because:
"For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith." Rom 1:17
"10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. 2Thes 2:
"18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. 1Cor 1:
Not sure how it is the other way around by those verses. I was referring to Rms 1:18-19: For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them.
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News Item2/2/13 9:58 PM
John for JESUS | Atl  Find all comments by John for JESUS
John UK...Yes I believe "world" means world. I believe I answered your points about 5 hours ago.
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News Item2/2/13 7:02 PM
Farmus  Find all comments by Farmus
John for JESUS wrote:
2. The Bible says having known the truth unbelievers reject the truth in unrighteousness
No! Turn that round the other way. Because:
"For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith." Rom 1:17
"For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness." Rom 6:20

"10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. 2Thes 2:

"18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. 1Cor 1:

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