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SUNDAY, DEC 2, 2012  |  171 comments  |  1 commentary
Rick Warren Uncertain if Homosexual Behavior is Sinful, Says ‘Gays’ Go to Heaven
Controversy is stirring over recent comments made by Rick Warren, author of the best-selling book The Purpose-Driven Life and megachurch leader of Saddleback Church in California, who stated that homosexual behavior “might be” sinful, and that he believes homosexuals go to Heaven.

During an interview this week with the Huffington Post, Warren was asked by Marc Lamont Hill if having romantic feelings for a member of the same sex is a sin. Leading up to the question, Warren was explaining that he does not hate homosexuals, and that people should disagree politely on the subject of homosexuality.

“I have many, many gay friends, and have worked around the world with them in gay organizations to try to stop AIDS,” he said. “We’re doing ‘World AIDS Day’ this weekend at Saddleback Church. My wife and I have given millions of dollars to help people with HIV/AIDS and have worked with gay organizations on ...


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News Item12/3/12 2:58 PM
Ledtor  Find all comments by Ledtor
"Warren was explaining that he does not hate homosexuals, and that people should disagree politely on the subject of homosexuality."

There is no such person as a "homosexual"

There are sinners who conduct their sexual perversions in an unnatural way. (Rom 1:26/27). This is the sin of lust of the flesh.

Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things SHALL not INHERIT THE KINGDOM GOD.

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News Item12/3/12 2:54 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
UPS, I like your comment. If the term, "queer," is used for this particular sin, there would be no doubt in anyone's mind. The Bible Says Homosexuality is Sin.
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News Item12/3/12 2:36 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
I really don't think God is tied to the English language. In the 1600's the pharmacists were called apothecaries. Communication means that we have an understanding of terms. If I call a person gay, very few, if any, would assume I meant they were happy. The problem here is Mr. Warren is not emphasizing that they that practice such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God, regardless of what name you use to describe it.
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News Item12/3/12 1:13 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Christopher,

Since I was delivered when I was in my early 30s, I also had a very sordid past. When I first became saved, I was also delivered from all of my prior lusts and desires. I truly felt delivered, I thought I could almost fly, so I understand your thoughts on grace abounding. My problem was/is, that many of my prior desires came upon me again; hence my wrestling for over 30 years. I think that was John's thought. And to top it all off, God showed me so many more areas of my life that reflected my carnal flesh that I couldn't see before. The main thing is that God deals with each of us individually, but we "must all" share a common goal and that is to walk in a manner worthy of our Lord. Show me someone who has no desire to please Jesus and I'll show you someone who is a false believer. If He is Lord, He is Savior; if He is Savior, He is Lord. Some things are easy to see and recognize, but the Lord sees our hearts and we often can't or won't do that. I am continually amazed at just how far I am from what God expects from me.

Anyway, thanks for your testimony. It is very similar to mine and my guess is very similar to many who were saved later in life (beyond childhood)

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News Item12/3/12 7:13 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
To be clear...I was never a Sodomite. I just wanted to relate my experience from the other side of the fence.
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News Item12/3/12 7:10 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
"Grace does much more abound" I can speak to that as a living example. I had a lot of problems with the Sodomites throughout my childhood and teenage years. This is the reason that I've let a crass name slip here and there. I've forgiven but have never forgot.
Anyway, about grace abounding, I never jumped the fence (yuck), but because, in part, of the drugs, sexual perversion was part of my life. I'm embarassed to even say that. I'm telling you all because God completely delivered me from everything...and I mean everything. No urges, no regrets, no nothing. In fact, as difficult as this may be to believe, I couldn't care less if I ever have sex again. Even though I wasn't with God, I begged Him for years to deliver me...by any means necessary. Well, He did and I still thank Him every single day...sometimes twice.
I guess my point is that I think God's grace, for the Sodomite, will be dependent upon how true their plea for deliverance is.
God can do it, but will they truly desire it?
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News Item12/3/12 5:59 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Frank wrote:
Yes, there will be a continual wrestling with sin, but where sin abounds, grace does much more abound. Should we continue to sin because of the abounding grace; God forbid! But, I can only hope and pray that God does indeed call these sodomites to repentance and the gift of eternal life. Then let them wrestle to the glory of God, which is something they won't do in a godly sense until they are called. All they can hope to have prior to them being called is "worldly sorrow", at best. I agree about not recently seeing or hearing about those who are being born from above. But, God will call those who belong to Him! You and I agree on this.
Although I'm not sure that JohnFJ understand Pastor Warren. Rick is slippery.
More slippery than an eel.
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News Item12/3/12 12:20 AM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
John UK wrote:
And I believe John FJ was right about the new problems that are likely to occur, if sodomites are converted, yet still have the remnants of sin within them, even if they hate having those old desires. No man becomes perfect through conversion, and I believe we shall see a lot more "broken" disciples on the road to glory in these last days. That is, if God is still in the business of leading sons to glory. I'm just not hearing of anyone being born again these days.
Yes, there will be a continual wrestling with sin, but where sin abounds, grace does much more abound. Should we continue to sin because of the abounding grace; God forbid! But, I can only hope and pray that God does indeed call these sodomites to repentance and the gift of eternal life. Then let them wrestle to the glory of God, which is something they won't do in a godly sense until they are called. All they can hope to have prior to them being called is "worldly sorrow", at best. I agree about not recently seeing or hearing about those who are being born from above. But, God will call those who belong to Him! You and I agree on this.

Although I'm not sure that JohnFJ understand Pastor Warren. Rick is slippery.

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News Item12/2/12 10:53 PM
Fred Weber | virginia  Find all comments by Fred Weber
Romans 1 is very clear on this issue though Mr. is not. Homosexuality is a sin and anyone bot repentent of that life is damned if Christ is not ruling their life.
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News Item12/2/12 7:14 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Frank wrote:
You're right, it is a gruesome subject. I pretty much kept the meditation to the reality of it and how Christians should deal with it in today's world. I already stole your verses and added them.
Amen Frank. It's a fact that we have to deal with it in today's horrible world. And I believe John FJ was right about the new problems that are likely to occur, if sodomites are converted, yet still have the remnants of sin within them, even if they hate having those old desires. No man becomes perfect through conversion, and I believe we shall see a lot more "broken" disciples on the road to glory in these last days. That is, if God is still in the business of leading sons to glory. I'm just not hearing of anyone being born again these days.
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News Item12/2/12 6:42 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
John UK wrote:
Sodomy - what a gruesome subject bro. But we do have to be aware of all the subjects God has seen fit to instruct us on in the scriptures. You are most welcome to the verses.
You're right, it is a gruesome subject. I pretty much kept the meditation to the reality of it and how Christians should deal with it in today's world. I already stole your verses and added them.
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News Item12/2/12 6:16 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Frank wrote:
Hello brother, thanks for the verses, I am going to add then to a meditation I did on homosexuality or should I say sodomy.
Sodomy - what a gruesome subject bro. But we do have to be aware of all the subjects God has seen fit to instruct us on in the scriptures. You are most welcome to the verses.
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News Item12/2/12 6:05 PM
John for Jesus | Atl  Find all comments by John for Jesus
I think Rick Warren's point was that there are Christians who have these sinful desires who will still go to heaven because they trusted in Christ as their Lord and Savior.
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News Item12/2/12 5:53 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
John UK wrote:
Mike, really....
Deuteronomy 23:17 KJV
17 There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel.
1 Kings 14:24 KJV
24 And there were also sodomites in the land: and they did according to all the abominations of the nations which the LORD cast out before the children of Israel.
1 Kings 15:12 KJV
12 And he took away the sodomites out of the land, and removed all the idols that his fathers had made.
1 Kings 22:46 KJV
46 And the remnant of the sodomites, which remained in the days of his father Asa, he took out of the land.
2 Kings 23:7 KJV
7 And he brake down the houses of the sodomites, that were by the house of the LORD, where the women wove hangings for the grove.
Wherever you find it, it is sodomy.
Hello brother, thanks for the verses, I am going to add then to a meditation I did on homosexuality or should I say sodomy.
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News Item12/2/12 4:51 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Mike wrote:
Nah. There are probably more of them in San Francisco than were in Sodom. Maybe they should be called San Franciscoites?
Mike, really....

Deuteronomy 23:17 KJV
17 There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel.

1 Kings 14:24 KJV
24 And there were also sodomites in the land: and they did according to all the abominations of the nations which the LORD cast out before the children of Israel.

1 Kings 15:12 KJV
12 And he took away the sodomites out of the land, and removed all the idols that his fathers had made.

1 Kings 22:46 KJV
46 And the remnant of the sodomites, which remained in the days of his father Asa, he took out of the land.

2 Kings 23:7 KJV
7 And he brake down the houses of the sodomites, that were by the house of the LORD, where the women wove hangings for the grove.

Wherever you find it, it is sodomy.

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News Item12/2/12 4:45 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Actually a lot of people aren't going to heaven,
1 Corinthians 6
9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God.---NASB
Homosexuals are plainly on the above list, Ricky should read the Bible once in awhile (As Frank has.
The Gospel According to Hybels & Warren,
Destructive Heresies in Today's Church
, and as pointed out in the above verses, The Bible Says Homosexuality is Sin.
Yes Jim, you are correct to point out the other sins noted. If someone doesn't recognize their sins and desire to turn from them (repent), then they will in fact still be in their sins at the judgment. Why Christ would die for someone's sins and then say it is okay to practice those sins, is beyond me.
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News Item12/2/12 4:27 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Actually a lot of people aren't going to heaven,

1 Corinthians 6
9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God.---NASB

Homosexuals are plainly on the above list, Ricky should read the Bible once in awhile (As Frank has.

The Gospel According to Hybels & Warren,
Destructive Heresies in Today's Church
, and as pointed out in the above verses, The Bible Says Homosexuality is Sin.

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News Item12/2/12 4:10 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
John UK wrote:
That's it. Sodomites - that is what they are, and that is what God will call them at the judgment.
Nah. There are probably more of them in San Francisco than were in Sodom. Maybe they should be called San Franciscoites?
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News Item12/2/12 3:42 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
BLouise wrote:
In the article it is stated that he said gays go to heaven when in fact he said that a sinner who puts his trust in Jesus will go to heaven. The interviewer or the author/ editor of this article was dishosnest and that too is hell worthy sin.
Well sort of. What he said was that gays will go to heaven if they have received christ. The issue is, can someone remain gay, in the sense that they practice homosexuality and go to heaven. Whoever framed the article, did it correctly.
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News Item12/2/12 3:42 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
kenny wrote:
This is what happens when Christians pander to these folks by calling them 'homosexual'. That is agreeing with them in their argument they are 'born that way'. But they are not born that way and they are not 'homosexual'. They commit sodomy - they are SODOMITES. Why do you suppose that is the one name that they haven't embraced and still sends them into a devilish snit?
That's it. Sodomites - that is what they are, and that is what God will call them at the judgment.
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