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Pastor Rick Warren Hospitalized, Awaiting Diagnosis
Pastor Rick Warren of Saddleback Church was hospitalized Tuesday after experiencing pain in his arms.
The renowned Southern California pastor will be undergoing a series of tests to determine what the cause is though the doctor's "diagnostic guess" is that he has an inner ear virus that may have spread to the nerves in his neck and down his arms.
"[P]ray for a quick and accurate diagnosis, a fast remedy," he asked his megachurch in an email Tuesday late afternoon.
Hmmm? Be you an honest, can I use the word, skeptic?
Personally I am fond of saying, "If anyone has not heard what God Himself has said their faith can be nothing more than a wishful fantasy of religious make believe."
Your postings have gotten me thinking in a bit of a different direction to say, "If anyone has heard what God Himself has said, and denies it is Almighty God, the Only True and Living God speaking, and refuses to believe Him and what He says, commands and teaches, they have no excuse in making Him out to be a liar or make the One created the universe and every living being in it just pretend _ to their own eternal punishment from the One they wilfully sinned against."
I will probably meditate a bit on saying this in better words, the reality will still stand the wrath of God is revealed against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the Truth in unrighteousness, Truth that wonderfully changes those who repent, Truth that was right there graciously made known by God Himself personally, and Truth no amount of unbelief by some will ever nullify.
Back to story, what's up with Rick Warren, the Purpose Driven False Teacher?
Mike wrote: I'm afraid the only thing you could reason out of a cure for the common cold, is that a cure for the common cold was found.
I agree with you. Now please tell that to "Direction and Truth" who was the one who brought up the subject in the first place.
Frank wrote: Scripture says that those who don't believe in God are fools.
Well of course it would! If the scriptures had said that those who don't believe were "really smart," nobody would have taken the scriptures seriously (because of the contradiction), they would have never been copied and passed down to us, and the religion would have been lost to history. The only reason religions survive is because they have certain characteristics which enable that. None of this is very shocking.
You also don't win debates through name calling. Unless you're a child in the schoolyard perhaps.
Pastor Mike wrote: --- If one day a cure is found for the common cold, would it cause you to stop believing in God? If you're like most believers, I doubt it would. This is because religious belief is implacable to reason and evidence, and thus is not true knowledge.
Let's see if I get this right. Most believers would not stop believing in God, should a cure for the common cold be found, because they won't yield to reason and evidence, right? I'm afraid the only thing you could reason out of a cure for the common cold, is that a cure for the common cold was found. There can be no scientific evidence of there being no God in any such cure.
Direction and truth wrote: Thats right pester mike. 6000 years of blowing his nose and still moron man's science cannot even cure the common cold. What a joke.
You don't win a debate by simply restating your position. You not only need to be saved from your own ignorance and superstition but also educated on how to actually have a conversation.
The point I made which you chose to ignore was that significant medical progress has been made, which includes cures for many diseases for which the same point you make about the common cold could have once been made. You haven't given any reason why the common cold should be any different given future advances in medical technology. This is called an argument from ignorance.
If one day a cure is found for the common cold, would it cause you to stop believing in God? If you're like most believers, I doubt it would. This is because religious belief is implacable to reason and evidence, and thus is not true knowledge.
Pastor Mike wrote: Science cannot even cure the common cold.. YET
Thats right pester mike. 6000 years of blowing his nose and still moron man's science cannot even cure the common cold. What a joke. And you believe in this mortal god???
And what about evolutionary science? Another joke. The big bang - in a vacuum - which is scientifically impossible - .... And out of this they believe comes something as complex as your neurological system?
Have you ever heard such ignorance?
6000 years and this is the best explanation moron man can come up with? Sad isn't it.
Your god is an ignorant moron, pester.
Psalm 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 36:1 The transgression of the wicked saith within my heart, that there is no fear of God before his eyes. 2 For he flattereth himself in his own eyes, until his iniquity be found to be hateful. 3 The words of his mouth are iniquity and deceit: he hath left off to be wise, and to do good.
It takes a great deal of faith to believe your position Pastor Mike. If you chose not to believe the Scriptures and put your faith in man's reason. You are also ignoring the revelation of God in the order we find in His creation. Evolutionist take a huge leap of faith seeing there is no scientific evidence for what they believe. The introduction of the gospel brings civility to many a heathen society. Only God can open your understanding to the truth and I certainly pray that He will before it is eternally too late. Romans 1:17-23 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, "THE JUST SHALL LIVE BY FAITH." For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools,
Pastor Mike wrote: Morality comes from an understanding of reality and a knowledge that we've all got to share this world.
So if men understand reality, and realise that we've all got to share this world, there WILL be morality?
But then, what exactly IS morality? Without a definition from an authoritative source, how CAN it be defined? Or are you speaking about the God-given conscience, given only to humans? Oh, but then, that is bringing God into it. If not God who made you, how did you happen to have an evolved conscience? Impossible man.
Pastor Mike wrote: 1)There are entire civilizations which function without a widespread belief in the Christian gospel. 2)You don't see widespread lawlessness in those countries that's greater than what we see here. 3)Morality comes from an understanding of reality and a knowledge that we've all got to share this world. 4)Therefore my right to swing my arm ends at your noise. 5)It also comes from a vision of what kind of world would be the best place in which to live, please see my comments below. Obviously it's not this caricature notion of, "I'm an atheist, therefore no rules, therefore I'll do whatever feels good minute to minute."
1) What is civilization, or function? How many civilizations have come and gone while Christianity continues in spite of persecution against it?
2) Human nature is corrupt everywhere, and only Christ overcomes it. There is no widespread belief in the Gospel here, thus the lawlessness.
3) Your morality or mine? Who says we have to share the world? What if someone doesn't want to?
4) Right and wrong are not determined by internally ordered boundaries.
5) Athiest vision is limited for it is subjective, for there is no external objective absolute from which can be detemined vision's quality.
John UK wrote: if you are a genuine atheist, there is no right and wrong, so you can just decide what to do today, and then go ahead and do it.
There are entire civilizations which function without a widespread belief in the Christian gospel. You don't see widespread lawlessness in those countries that's greater than what we see here. Morality comes from an understanding of reality and a knowledge that we've all got to share this world. Therefore my right to swing my arm ends at your noise. It also comes from a vision of what kind of world would be the best place in which to live, please see my comments below. Obviously it's not this caricature notion of, "I'm an atheist, therefore no rules, therefore I'll do whatever feels good minute to minute."
Pastor Mike. Where did everything come from? How does nothing create something? How does nothing create space, earth, and humans? How does nothing, know it takes a man and women, to produce children? How does nothing create your DNA code? How does nothing, create something as complex as your eyes? Friend. Look around. And u can see its not by random chance. But the Creator of the heavens and earth. The God of the Bible.
Pastor Mike wrote: This is what's called an ad hominem argument. You're not right with the Purple People Eaters from Mars. You better start believing in them or they'll sneak into your bedroom while you sleep and nibble off your toes. I don't worry about things for which there is no evidence, and neither should you.
The evidence Mike is when you wake up in the morning to find your toes nibbled off.
It is a most wonderful thing that Almighty God has forewarned us of the consequence of our actions.
If you have done what is right, then you are right with God, and you have naught to worry about; just carry on doing what is right.
But if you have ever done aught wrong, then there will be a consequence for that. You believe in human law courts, which can make mistakes? Why not believe in God's law courts, which will be perfect, and every thought, word or deed will be analysed and judged perfectly?
But then, if you are a genuine atheist, there is no right and wrong, so you can just decide what to do today, and then go ahead and do it. You can even go and nibble off someone's toes if you've a mind to it. Man, that's a weird belief you've got.
"ALL have sinned."
"Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved."
I met a pedantically tidy paedophile once. If humans were half as good and altruistic as you claim who is making war? What is committing murder? Where do lies come from? Why are people offended? Is it the universe offending them?
You raise some good points. I'll pick just one to address, given limited space.
You mentioned the subject of evil and so-called human depravity. I was in the restroom at a public building the other day. Next to the sink was a paper towel dispenser and a trash can for the used paper towels. It was the end of the day and several hundred people had used the restroom that day judging by the number of paper towels in the trash.
What struck me was that not a single paper towel had been thrown on the floor. Nobody had run off with the paper towel roll that was inside the dispenser. And nobody had kicked the can over causing the contents to be spilled onto the floor. Since it was a single occupancy room, everybody had the opportunity for mischief.
If humans were half as evil as you make them out to be, this certainly wouldn't have been the case. What's wonderful is that we're as good as we are. This gives me great hope that humanity will survive to see the day we're able to put the world to rights. I'll admit we do have some baggage from our evolutionary past, behaviors which once worked well, but no longer fit into civilization. This is evidence not of evil, but of humanity as an incomplete work.
You would rather, as the Bible predicts, believe in the religion of 'Super Man' ... a kind of Apollos and Cybele with cellphones.
There is no way of escaping the planet other than death Mike and space travellers still die.
"Humanity is really the best hope life on Earth has when that day comes" you say.
Where is your evidence to support this statement?
Humans are evil, controlling, greedy, selfish, ignorant, arrogant, manipulitive, envious, cunning, decietful, abusive. Evil characters are littered throughout history, Nero, The Herods, Mao, etc ..
You want to deny the presence of evil. There is no escape. Evil can go with us to another planet. Evil follows us around because WE are the problem. The evil comes from us Mike, not the out-of-control universe.
The cure for evil is death.
This is why Jesus died and yet lived again. He is the only man ever to step foot on the earth who wasn't evil. Death had no hold on him. That is how He can offer you an escape.
You want to try other escape routes first. But we're running out of time to solve the worlds problems and scientists just keep make excuses, like priests, for their 'mistakes'. You are a religious man Mike, or you wouldn't be able to be understood on this site.
"Pastor" Mike you are a wacko, a kookoo bird... need I go on. And I thought Camping was the king of kookoo birds I stand(well sit more correctly) corrected. Note: Listen to Brother Bryan carefully when his talks about Westboro "Baptist Church", and this is the first timw you heard of it... so did I.
God made the earth and gave us both the plants and the animals for our well being.
Our bodies operate on essential minerals that come from the ground, since we were created from the dust of the earth.
our generation sees death and shirks the provision of God.
they deny it, ignore it and deflate the importance of it.
we look sick and weak as a nation. people overseas look a lot better in most places. statistics are now showing a decrease in life expectancy, and huge increases in autoimmune disease.
sick cattle can often be healed simply by bringing into diet minerals that are missing.
I've seen it happen to those we know.
Our topsoils have depleted and studies over the decades show a decrease in vitamin and mineral content within the foods.
also explains the psychadelic gm movement, just a way to keep the depleted soils going.
we are the walking temple of the Holy Spirit and care not.
a generation that hears Psi cola using aborted fetal cells to test their ingredients for best taste or hears about the aborted fetal cell lines used in many vacs to replace egg-- sick animal organ cells.... and then goes to the pulpit and says nothing! Can pastors remain healthy when they've become relativists?