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Choice News THURSDAY, JAN 30, 2014  |  163 comments  |  3 commentaries
Who’s ‘godless’ now? Russia says it’s U.S.

At the height of the Cold War, it was common for American conservatives to label the officially atheist Soviet Union a “godless nation.”

More than two decades on, history has come full circle, as the Kremlin and its allies in the Russian Orthodox Church hurl the same allegation at the West.

“Many Euro-Atlantic countries have moved away from their roots, including Christian values,” Russian President Vladimir Putin said in a recent keynote speech. “Policies are being pursued that place on the same level a multi-child family and a same-sex partnership, a faith in God and a belief in Satan. This is the path to degradation.” ...


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Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Godless U.S.-America wrote:
I'll Have To Agree With Russia On This One.
It's The U.S.A.; With It's Abortion-Baby-Butchering-Of-Multi-Millions, It's Legislation Of Immorality--ala Sodomite 'Same-Sex' "Marriage" And It's Socialized Medicine Via 'Obamacare'--To Name A Few: That Have Put The U.S.A. Over The Top As A "Godless Nation" Far Worse Than The Former "Godless Nation" Under The Former Soviet Union . . . RUSSIA !
I wonder how much Godless is acceptable to God? The USSR leadership murdered far more people than even Hitler did.
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News Item2/4/14 7:48 PM
Godless U.S.-America  Find all comments by Godless U.S.-America
I'll Have To Agree With Russia On This One.

It's The U.S.A.; With It's Abortion-Baby-Butchering-Of-Multi-Millions, It's Legislation Of Immorality--ala Sodomite 'Same-Sex' "Marriage" And It's Socialized Medicine Via 'Obamacare'--To Name A Few: That Have Put The U.S.A. Over The Top As A "Godless Nation" Far Worse Than The Former "Godless Nation" Under The Former Soviet Union . . . RUSSIA !

Even Vladmir Putin Makes A Far Better "Christian" Than Obama Could Ever Be "Spun" Out To Be !

In Fact, Obama Is At The Least 'An Antichrist'; With His Pro-Baby-Butchering-Abortion & Sodomite 'Same-Sex' Agendas.

And, Obama Is At THE MOST; THE LONG AWAITED LITERAL FULFILLMENT OF THE HOLY BIBLE'S PROPHESIED "[SEA]BEAST" OF REVELATION CHAPTER 13:1-18: IF HIS OBAMACARE RFID COMPUTER-CHIP WILL BE UNIVERSALLY IMPLANTED IN THE RIGHT-HAND OR FOREHEAD OF EVERY HUMAN BEING IN THE U.S.A. &-OR ON PLANET EARTH !

"And He (OBAMA ?) Causeth All, Both Small And Great, Rich And Poor, Free And Bond, To Receive A Mark In Their Right Hand, Or In Their Foreheads.

And That No Man Might Buy Or Sell, Save He That Had The Mark, Or The Name Of The Beast, Or The Number Of His Name.

...And His Number Is Six Hundred Threescore And Six (666).--Revelation 13:16-18

*WE'VE ALL BEEN FOREWARNED IN HOLY WRIT !

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News Item2/4/14 1:08 PM
All 5 points  Find all comments by All 5 points
Dopey wrote:
...
"how Israel will recognize the mercy of God in Christ as regards the Gentiles" ...
Divine revelation, yes, of course for who else can open the eyes of the blind; even if only in part blinded. I didn't mean to imply otherwise, and I find post it notes difficult. Though your direction was clear, I fear I will not articulate what I understand clearly in a post it note in the short time I have just now.

Even if I attempt it, I won't do it justice. I do not like this strange media.

This morning I was reading a letter to a friend by a brother, martyred in the 17th century. I am altering slightly, but these are essentially his words; "There can be no lawful authority but what is of God and I know no authority or judicatory this day in these nations but what is in direct opposition to God; and so could be neither of God; nor lawful; (most argue at this place for the providence of God in unjust nations, but that is His secret counsel Deut.29:29 we live by His percept) and their fruits are manifesting it in that they are setting bougerers, murderers, sorcerers and such others at liberty from justice and employing them in their service, who make it their whole work to oppress, kill,and destroy the Lord's people."

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News Item2/4/14 12:54 PM
penned  Find all comments by penned
Spiritual Israel is made of Jew and Gentile. The gentiles were grafted in with Christ.

Its a nation of redeemed people that obey God.

The church is made of Jew and Gentile.

The elect (the new man) are Jew and Gentile who have been redeemed by the blood of the Lamb.

We are one in Christ.

We are one people.

There is no salvation outside of Christ.

The covenant written on the hearts of His people.

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News Item2/4/14 12:34 PM
All 5 points  Find all comments by All 5 points
[QUOTE]All 5 points,
[AUTHOR]Dopey[/AUTHOR]"how Israel will recognize the mercy of God in Christ as regards the Gentiles",[/QUOTE]Divine revelation, yes, of course for who else can open the eyes of the blind; even if only in part blinded. I didn't mean to imply otherwise, and I find post it notes difficult. Though your direction was clear, I fear I will not articulate what I understand clearly in a post it note in the short time I have just now.

Even if I attempt it, I won't do it justice. I do not like this strange media.

This morning I was reading a letter to a friend by a brother, martyred in the 17th century. I am altering slightly, but these are essentially his words; "There can be no lawful authority but what is of God and I know no authority or judicatory this day in these nations but what is in direct opposition to God; and so could be neither of God; nor lawful; (most argue at this place for the providence of God in unjust nations, but that is His secret counsel Deut.29:29 we live by His percept) and their fruits are manifesting it in that they are setting bougerers, murderers, sorcerers and such others at liberty from justice and employing them in their service, who make it their whole work to oppress, kill,and destroy the Lord's people."

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News Item2/4/14 8:04 AM
Dopey  Find all comments by Dopey
All 5 points wrote:
I tend to agree with you but you are missing a necessary piece of the puzzle here as to how Israel will recognize the mercy of God in Christ as regards the Gentiles see Rev. 11 compare Rev. 16:12-15
All 5 points, There is a shorter route to what you see me as "missing":

And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it
unto thee, but my Father which is in
heaven. (Matthew 16:17)

Matthew 16:17 reveals plainly that God's truth doesn't originate from man but rather is a revelation from God to man; "how Israel will recognize the mercy of God in Christ as regards the Gentiles", will be a revelation by God to Israel.

You obviously see Revelation 11 compared to Revelation 16:12-15 as bearing on the subject and I don't dispute that point. But I believe that it is better for you to illustrate the point you wish me to see rather than me having to guess what it is you want illustrated, for the various things dealt with in Revelation 11 viewed in relationship to Revelation 16:12-15 could fill several books.

Penned:
Thank you for the definition of what you counted as representing the "Middle East"

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News Item2/3/14 10:57 PM
penned  Find all comments by penned
Dopey, I do not have problems with what any of the other posters have said.

ME stands for Middle East.

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News Item2/3/14 6:31 PM
Dopey  Find all comments by Dopey
penned wrote:
I certainly hope not. But I'm sure Dopey can speak for himself.
What makes you assume that I knew or know what ME stands for? And if you then reply well, if you didn't know, why didn't you ask? I just might reply because I really didn't care what it stands for.

I have no problem with anything All 5 points has said in this thread so far. Do you?

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News Item2/3/14 6:11 PM
penned  Find all comments by penned
All 5 points wrote:
I didn't see where anyone was giving a directive to unregenerate people to go to the ME.
I certainly hope not. But I'm sure Dopey can speak for himself.
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News Item2/3/14 3:12 PM
All 5 points  Find all comments by All 5 points
mike falsia wrote:
Israel greatest witness is that their temple was destroyed
"Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up." John 2:19 That's not the temple you mean though is it? and yet Christ is the great corner stone of it, who told the Samaritan woman, salvation is of the Jews.

I have no problem defining a Jew as a worshiper of Jehovah and most at this day are blinded in part and many deny there is a Jehovah. But for most of the OT Scripture they were a nation and they ceased to be so before the destruction of the temple.

Israel is now its own nation, but is it inhabited by Jews? Gal. 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband. (The desolate of Isa. 54)

28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

We agree the children of promise are elect Jews and Gentiles.

Do you disagree that all nations have rejected Christ?

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News Item2/3/14 2:34 PM
Dopey  Find all comments by Dopey
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. (2Peter2:1)

19. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
(Matthew 7:19,20)

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News Item2/3/14 2:26 PM
mike falsia | brooklyn  Contact via emailFind all comments by mike falsia
Israel greatest witness is that their temple was destroyed and they were once again expelled from the land in mass.
This was a clear sign that they no longer occupied a place as the covenant people of God except those who were chosen in Christ from the foundation of the world! The Fathers represent the whole body of elect Jews who were eternally chosen in this Messiah who met all of the redemptive conditions to establish the "New Covenant" God has no obligation to them as a nation once they rejected His Son at His first advent. ALL Israel are the spiritual elect who died and rose in Christ Jesus who will in time hear the gospel and believe just as the gentile elect do!
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News Item2/3/14 2:17 PM
All 5 points  Find all comments by All 5 points
pennned wrote:
so dopey, this is your directive to tell unregenerate people that their inheritance is to go to the ME where they will have war and then their children will face being wiped out, but then Jesus will change their hearts?
what?
sounds to me like self engineering biblical prophecy.
If one believes that this is what the Scripture teaches they are not going to be listened to by unregenerate Jews or Gentiles unless God is doing a secret work, ye must be born again.

I didn't see where anyone was giving a directive to unregenerate people to go to the ME. I believe he was stating that the Scripture teaches that there will be trouble in the ME with the 6th Trumpet and vial and he embellished. I believe he sees a day that the Jews will be converted in a greater number. I believe that one day the Church will be one in doctrine, worship, discipline and government in Israel and the Gentile nations as nations.

Penny you talk about everything and anything and you expect people to listen to you. I exhort you listen to yourself and hear what God is saying to YOU!

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News Item2/3/14 1:59 PM
pennned  Find all comments by pennned
so dopey, this is your directive to tell unregenerate people that their inheritance is to go to the ME where they will have war and then their children will face being wiped out, but then Jesus will change their hearts?

what?

sounds to me like self engineering biblical prophecy.

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News Item2/3/14 1:44 PM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
Dopey wrote:
After Russia and it's allies attack Israel, dealt with in Ezekiel 38 and 39 in the Old Testament, God will cause Israel to recognize Christ as their Messiah:
That is one of the most wicked heresies of our day
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News Item2/3/14 1:27 PM
All 5 points  Find all comments by All 5 points
Dopey wrote:
After Russia and it's allies attack Israel, multitudes of Jews of Israel will accept Jesus Christ as their Messiah. After Israel does recognize Christ as their Messiah they will recognize that what God previously did for the Gentiles was mercy shown to the Gentiles by way of Jesus Christ. Israel will then also realize that the mercy previously referred to equaled the
mercy of God in Christ to the Gentiles.
The whole story is told through Isaiah and Ezekiel among others places in the Old Testament as well as certain places in the New Testament.
I tend to agree with you but you are missing a necessary piece of the puzzle here as to how Israel will recognize the mercy of God in Christ as regards the Gentiles see Rev. 11 compare Rev. 16:12-15
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News Item2/3/14 12:43 PM
Dopey  Find all comments by Dopey
After Russia and it's allies attack Israel, dealt with in Ezekiel 38 and 39 in the Old Testament, God will cause Israel to recognize Christ as their Messiah:

9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I[God] will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. (Zechariah 12:9-10)

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News Item2/3/14 11:35 AM
penny  Find all comments by penny
well there you go, we gotta have Armageddon, trap Jewish people on a swath of land in the ME (when they are living in peace around the earth), so that when the big armies come and millions get wiped out, that will make them realize they need Jesus? any Christian Zionists letting their Jewish friends know that that's the plan?.... sounds cultish.
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News Item2/3/14 11:12 AM
Dopey  Find all comments by Dopey
All 5 points wrote:
...How is it that Israel will recognize the mercy shown to the Gentiles as the mercy of God in Christ?? so that they mourn for Him as an only son?
After Russia and it's allies attack Israel, multitudes of Jews of Israel will accept Jesus Christ as their Messiah. After Israel does recognize Christ at their Messiah they will recognize that what God previously did for the Gentiles was mercy shown to the Gentiles by way of Jesus Christ. Israel will then also realize that the mercy previously referred to equaled the
mercy of God in Christ to the Gentiles.

The whole story is told through Isaiah and Ezekiel among others places in the Old Testament as well as certain places in the New Testament.

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News Item2/2/14 7:34 AM
Strat  Find all comments by Strat
Dopey wrote:
The secular sabotage from fifth column apostate Americans is
almost complete...
I agree that America has fallen but assuming you live in America and you are not hanging by your thumbs in a prison somewhere for saying this America is still a good place to be....for now.
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