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Most Evangelical Leaders Back Gun Control?

Evangelical Christian leaders in America have expressed their support for stricter gun regulations following December's tragedy at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., where 26 people were fatally shot.

In a poll conducted by the National Association of Evangelicals (NAE), 73 percent of church leaders agreed that there needs to be stricter gun regulations, in hopes that tragedies, such as the ones that occurred in Newtown, can be prevented or minimized in the future.

"Evangelicals are pro-life and deeply grieve when any weapons are used to take innocent lives," said Leith Anderson, President of the NAE. "The evangelical leaders who responded to the NAE survey support the Second Amendment right to bear arms but also want our laws to prevent the slaughter of children." ...


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News Item1/14/13 2:50 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Joe Van Brussel wrote:
The U.S. is not a uniquely violent society, said Wintemute, who practices emergency medicine and conducts research on the nature and prevention of gun violence. Our overall rates of violence are similar to Australia, Canada and Western Europe. Where the U.S. stands out, Wintemute said, is in the homicide rate.

"That's a weapon effect. It's not clear that guns cause violence, but it's absolutely clear that they change the outcome," said Wintemute.

excerpt from,
U.S. Guns: Statistics Show America An Outlier Among Developed Nations

I will still state that many supporters of a rocket launcher or assault weapon in every home do remind me more of Posse Comitatus (organization)position then a Christian one.

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News Item1/14/13 2:24 PM
Eton  Find all comments by Eton
Neil wrote:
I'm not basing that on experience.
I can see that.
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News Item1/14/13 2:18 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Eton wrote:
Yes, I have observed that many times myself, so I know it is true.
I'm not basing that on experience.
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News Item1/14/13 1:58 PM
Eton  Find all comments by Eton
Neil wrote:
Any induction from particulars (no matter how carefully obtained) is fallacious.
Yes, I have observed that many times myself, so I know it is true.
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News Item1/14/13 1:48 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Eton wrote:
Respectfully, you made the unverifiable probably claim, I merely threw out there the first contrary example google gave me.
OK, you win your point: I made an unverifiable claim & should've removed it for that reason. Any induction from particulars (no matter how carefully obtained) is fallacious.
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News Item1/14/13 1:44 PM
Eton  Find all comments by Eton
Neil wrote:
Since I'm unable to examine that link, I'd be foolish to accept your unverifiable claim as a valid objection, now wouldn't I?
I have no connection with any gun lobby.
Respectfully, you made the unverifiable probably claim, I merely threw out there the first contrary example google gave me.
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News Item1/14/13 1:34 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Eton wrote:
It is a pity you did not retract it for not being true.
Is that the NRA browser your are using?
Since I'm unable to examine that link, I'd be foolish to accept your unverifiable claim as a valid objection, now wouldn't I?

For the record, I have no connection with any gun lobby. I don't need their help to form my opinions.

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News Item1/14/13 1:30 PM
Eton  Find all comments by Eton
Neil wrote:
I decided to retract that since it wasn't relevant. BTW my web browser blocked that link as inappropriate.
It is a pity you did not retract it for not being true.
Is that the NRA browser your are using?
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News Item1/14/13 1:10 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Eton wrote:
Not a convincing argument, nice folks notwithstanding.
See:
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/blog/article/death-at-the-gun-range-five-firearm-deaths-in-firearm-friendly-environments/index.html
I decided to retract that since it wasn't relevant. BTW my web browser blocked that link as inappropriate.
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News Item1/14/13 1:08 PM
Eton  Find all comments by Eton
Neil wrote:
A firing range is probably the safest place in the world, for everyone is armed, & everyone knows it. And you may meet some nice folks there, too.
Not a convincing argument, nice folks notwithstanding.
See:
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/blog/article/death-at-the-gun-range-five-firearm-deaths-in-firearm-friendly-environments/index.html
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News Item1/14/13 1:00 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
John UK wrote:
I guess we'll just have to trust in God and leave the length of our life to his sovereign will.
Weapons also serve to protect other folks' hides, not merely our own. Application of "Love Your Neighbor As Yourself." And weapons do not need to be used to have a deterrent effect.

BTW, search for "Battle of Athens" for a 20th-century example of citizens using firearms to overthrow a local political tyranny, though many of the guns themselves (semiauto M1s) came from an armory. Only one man was killed — a victim of the tyranny itself.

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News Item1/14/13 9:44 AM
Sam Rye  Find all comments by Sam Rye
John UK wrote:
Alas, we are not permitted by the corrupt Tory government to carry swords in the park. I guess we'll just have to trust in God and leave the length of our life to his sovereign will.
Trust God and keep a long organ pipe or a large crucifix, as Oliver Cromwell would say to us today.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/november/28/newsid_2527000/2527805.stm

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News Item1/14/13 7:14 AM
Barry from KY | Northern KY  Find all comments by Barry from KY
Whow, John UK, once again you enlighten me!!! You are a true Brother in Christ. I have fallen into a trap like many others do and I often warn against. I am trusting in man. I apologize for that and thank you.

Kyle, I suppose your right. I don't own a gun and haven't for quite a while. It is a right that I don't exercise. Considering the above statement, I guess I really don't care one way or the other.

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News Item1/14/13 5:25 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Neil wrote:
Jesus permitted His disciples to carry swords in a notoriously rebellious Roman province – Luke 22, John 18. Some pacifist He was!
Alas, we are not permitted by the corrupt Tory government to carry swords in the park. I guess we'll just have to trust in God and leave the length of our life to his sovereign will.
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News Item1/13/13 8:37 PM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
when democide has resulted in the loss of hundreds of millions in the last century, we shall return to our mantra, "america is special" and get our tax right-offs.
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News Item1/13/13 8:36 PM
Kyle | Tucson  Find all comments by Kyle
Barry, you can't be for restricting certain types of guns and then claim to not be a proponent of gun control. They don't go together. That's like saying you're pro-life but believe that abortion is a personal decision between s woman and her doctor.

Well said, Neil.

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News Item1/13/13 7:11 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Barry from Ky wrote:
I guess I don't believe those versus are telling me to buy an AR15 with a 100 round clip. Are you guys actually being serious?
The issue is not whether it's commanded but whether it's permitted. It is not a sin to own weapons; it's only sinful to misuse or idolize them (as some gun fanatics do). Same goes for cars & other artifacts.

Now it makes as little sense for me to own an assault rifle as it does a Ferrari, but I won't condemn others for having them unless I know them well enough to see an error.

BTW, the Swiss militia system requires keeping full-auto weapons at home, such is the variability of human circumstance. I know some Christians who live in the desert near a route frequented by drug traffickers. So don't assume that because you can't think of a good reason to keep a weapon, nobody else can either.

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News Item1/13/13 6:22 PM
Barry from Ky | Northern Ky  Find all comments by Barry from Ky
I guess I don't believe those versus are telling me to buy an AR15 with a 100 round clip. Are you guys actually being serious? I am not a proponent of gun control. I am saying the second amendment can be changed. The constitution was writtened to be amended. I think we should at least have that discussion.
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News Item1/13/13 6:13 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Jesus permitted His disciples to carry swords in a notoriously rebellious Roman province – Luke 22, John 18. Some pacifist He was!
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News Item1/13/13 5:46 PM
Will Hay  Find all comments by Will Hay
Barry from KY wrote:
Since there is no biblical basis for owning weapons
"And when Abram heard that his brother was taken captive, he ARMED his trained servants, born in his own house, three hundred and eighteen, and pursued them unto Dan."
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