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SATURDAY, DEC 29, 2012  |  134 comments  |  1 commentary
Chicago police confirm 'tragic number' of 500 homicides
Chicago reached ‚Äúa tragic number‚ÄĚ today, according to Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy: Its homicide total for the year hit 500, the highest annual total since 2008.

The city's latest homicide occurred around 9 p.m. Thursday when Nathaniel T. Jackson, 40, an alleged gang member with a lengthy arrest record, was gunned down outside a store in the Austin neighborhood.

As of Thursday night, homicides were up 17 percent over last year in Chicago and shootings had increased by 11 percent, according to police statistics. Earlier this fall, Chicago already exceeded the number of homicides that occurred last year, but this is the first time the city has had 500 or more murders since the 512 in 2008. ...


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News Item12/31/12 2:26 PM
San Jose John | San Jose, CA  Find all comments by San Jose John
Christopher000 wrote:
John, I'm surprised. I thought all born again Christians believed that the millenium was to come. How could we be in the middle of it when the events that precede it have yet to happen? Not to mention that Christ clearly isn't reigning on Earth right now. I don't understand where the division comes from.
I know this is directed toward UK John but I can tell you that No less than 4 different views prevail among fellow believers at the congregation I attend. Preterist, Futurist (the one you mention), Historical, and Idealist(?)--at least I think that's what it's called.

Been a while since I studied the issue but seem to remember that there may actually be more than one "millenium", depending on the context. Some say the church age is one millenium while the new heavens and new earth are another, but that these time periods are not necessarily meant to be taken literally.

Gun control is popular because it's much easier to pick on the gun than it is to go after the ones who actually use/abuse them.

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News Item12/31/12 2:13 PM
Rufus | Fort Worth, TX  Protected NameFind all comments by Rufus
Chicago is one of the strongest cities in the Union for gun control. What gives? Meanwhile RightMarch.com is reporting "440+ School Age Children Shot in Gun-Controlled Chicago".

As to the eschatological discussion...a thousand means a thousand and the age to come is a millenial (ie thousand year) reign of Jesus Christ as King of Kings. Blessed and Holy is he that will take part in this Kingdom.

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News Item12/31/12 2:10 PM
John Beechy  Find all comments by John Beechy
What do you mean by "law" and could you help me understand? And could you also explain what it means to be a "law-abiding citizen?" Thanks.

Unprofitable Servant wrote:
...Why do people miss the obvious, criminals are called criminals because they don't obey the law, so gun control laws only take guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens. If they are law abiding citizens they are not committing criminal acts. Why take away their guns?
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News Item12/31/12 1:35 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Publican wrote:
Long ago, I believed this nonsense, along with everyone else... until I read the bible and not Hal Lindsey, C Ryrie, and the rest. The thousand years in the Revelation has about as much to do with a reign of Christ on earth, as the statement Jesus made to Peter has to do with the papacy. There is no relation. It is very straightforward. No complications. The definitions of these statements concerning the rapture, the millennium, etc., are given throughout scripture many times. They have nothing to do with what we have made them. When you finally see what they do mean, it is amazing that we could ever have come up with this. and a blessing to understand. I tried to explain this years ago, but no one wanted to hear it.
What! No-one!

Have another go, Publican (God be merciful to me, a...) Sinner.

I will welcome your thoughts and solutions on this subject.

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News Item12/31/12 1:34 PM
San Jose John | San Jose, CA  Find all comments by San Jose John
Publican wrote:
Long ago, I believed this nonsense, along with everyone else... until I read the bible and not Hal Lindsey, C Ryrie, and the rest. The thousand years in the Revelation has about as much to do with a reign of Christ on earth, as the statement Jesus made to Peter has to do with the papacy. There is no relation. It is very straightforward. No complications. The definitions of these statements concerning the rapture, the millennium, etc., are given throughout scripture many times. They have nothing to do with what we have made them. When you finally see what they do mean, it is amazing that we could ever have come up with this. and a blessing to understand. I tried to explain this years ago, but no one wanted to hear it.
Same here.

I never read much less understood the Bible when I was younger, but had access to many graphic charts illustrating what the authors of such understood to be end-time events spoken of in the Bible. It was much easier at that time to study and believe these than the actual scriptures.

As long as I get "raised up on the last day", as Christ says in the Gospels, I'm not so concerned about any so-called millenium doctrine.

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News Item12/31/12 12:51 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Publican wrote:
Long ago, I believed this nonsense, along with everyone else... until I read the bible and not Hal Lindsey, C Ryrie, and the rest. The thousand years in the Revelation has about as much to do with a reign of Christ on earth, as the statement Jesus made to Peter has to do with the papacy. There is no relation. It is very straightforward. No complications. The definitions of these statements concerning the rapture, the millennium, etc., are given throughout scripture many times. They have nothing to do with what we have made them. When you finally see what they do mean, it is amazing that we could ever have come up with this. and a blessing to understand. I tried to explain this years ago, but no one wanted to hear it.
Perhaps they will listen during the millenium. As a matter of historical curiousity.
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News Item12/31/12 12:41 PM
Publican | Northern Hemisphere  Find all comments by Publican
Long ago, I believed this nonsense, along with everyone else... until I read the bible and not Hal Lindsey, C Ryrie, and the rest. The thousand years in the Revelation has about as much to do with a reign of Christ on earth, as the statement Jesus made to Peter has to do with the papacy. There is no relation. It is very straightforward. No complications. The definitions of these statements concerning the rapture, the millennium, etc., are given throughout scripture many times. They have nothing to do with what we have made them. When you finally see what they do mean, it is amazing that we could ever have come up with this. and a blessing to understand. I tried to explain this years ago, but no one wanted to hear it.
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News Item12/31/12 12:21 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Try Revelation 20:1-10 the phrase thousand years is used 6 times. 10 years = decade 100 years = century 1,000 years = millennium. There were no chapter divisions initially and no one says the passages that surrounds these verse are allegorical, so not sure why the passage that includes it all of a sudden would be. Chicago has strict gun control laws, so apparently more gun control is not the answer. Why do people miss the obvious, criminals are called criminals because they don't obey the law, so gun control laws only take guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens. If they are law abiding citizens they are not committing criminal acts. Why take away their guns?
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News Item12/31/12 8:55 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Hi Publican, I thought the 1000 years that Christ reigns on Earth after the great battle, and after Satan is chained by the angel, is considered to be the "millenium". After, Satan is loosed for a short t time, gathers up an army for one final battle, gets crushed swiftly, and is then thrown into Hell, never to bother anyone ever again. I can't point anyone to chapters or verses, but I know it's in the book of revelation. I know the Bible doesn't use the word "millenium", but like " rapture", it's just a word that describes an event.

John, I'm surprised. I thought all born again Christians believed that the millenium was to come. How could we be in the middle of it when the events that precede it have yet to happen? Not to mention that Christ clearly isn't reigning on Earth right now. I don't understand where the division comes from.

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News Item12/31/12 4:02 AM
Publican | Northern Hemisphere  Find all comments by Publican
Now I've only been reading the bible for a little over thirty years; but I have yet to find one word in all of the scriptures that even hints at what everyone calls the millennium. Personally, I do not even give that concept enough credence to say that it doesn't exist.
Someone want to help me out?

Anyway, that was not the point of this article.
It would seem In Chicago, this is called population control.

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News Item12/30/12 8:42 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Christopher000 wrote:
Goodmorning John, he's loose right now and doesn't get chained until the start of the millenium, right? Then, after the thousand years, is released for a short period of time? Is that right?
I sure wish I could answer your question bro. Some believe we are in the millennium right now, and others believe that the millennium is yet to happen. Both sides claim emphatically that they are correct, but that cannot be. As for me, I do not know either way.

What I do believe, is that when the Lord returns, it is the end of the world, the Day of Judgment. However, I keep an open mind, and will not be dogmatic. But I believe it is important not to give men any hope of being saved after the Lord returns. The door will be shut, the Day of Grace will be ended, and the opportunity gone.

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News Item12/30/12 8:08 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Goodmorning John, he's loose right now and doesn't get chained until the start of the millenium, right? Then, after the thousand years, is released for a short period of time? Is that right?

What I don't get is how people could once again, rise up against God. They live on Earth with Jesus during His reign, seeing, knowing, and experiencing the truth, yet, they follow Satan into one final battle. This makes no sense to me, and not only that, but how on Earth can anyone think they can go into battle against God Himself, and actually win?? So strange that anyone would even consider it a possibility.

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News Item12/29/12 8:45 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Christopher000 wrote:
I grew up on Chicago's East side and the South, near South ends, the Loop, etc were always dangerous, but the violence had spread and the criminals have become much more bold. Now, you have to watch yourself even on MI Ave, etc because a gang will walk up to you, not caring who's around, beat the blank out of you and steal your stuff. It's not a war zone in any way, but these types of things never used to happen with the frequency that they do today. Peoples hearts are becoming black...no empathy...no cares.
It's almost as if....

Revelation 20:7 KJV
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison...

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News Item12/29/12 8:35 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
I grew up on Chicago's East side and the South, near South ends, the Loop, etc were always dangerous, but the violence had spread and the criminals have become much more bold. Now, you have to watch yourself even on MI Ave, etc because a gang will walk up to you, not caring who's around, beat the blank out of you and steal your stuff. It's not a war zone in any way, but these types of things never used to happen with the frequency that they do today. Peoples hearts are becoming black...no empathy...no cares.
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