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THURSDAY, AUG 23, 2012  |  133 comments
How Christian Colleges Become Bastions of Unbelief

What happened to so many once-Christian colleges in the United States? Two fine books describe the decline. George Marsden's 462-page The Soul of the American University shows how once-Protestant universities became secular look-alikes. James Burtchaell's The Dying of the Light: The Disengagement of Colleges and Universities from Their Christian Churches uses 868 pages to show not only how schools moved from liberal theism to secularism but how, before that, they moved from theologically conservative to liberal stances.

I'll try to give the high points of 1,330 pages in fewer than 1,330 words: Three central messages are (1) Follow the money, (2) Watch the college president, (3) See what the college does with Darwin. ...


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KJV English speaking-Onlyist  Find all comments by KJV English speaking-Onlyist
John UK said
The KJV, on the other hand, may need some effort to grasp the language,

That why the KJV(and only the KJV) says study.
Oh, to add to his comment, the trumpet(that is what a bugle a form of,right?) sound are not to sound right to the enemy, because it is not their sound of their trumpet.

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News Item8/23/12 3:42 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
1 Corinthians 14:8 KJV
8 For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?

Jim, if you want to relate this to Bibles, which ones have the uncertain sound but the modern versions, which claim to maybe have the word of God, maybe not?

The KJV, on the other hand, may need some effort to grasp the language, but it is not an uncertain sound, it is the inspired and inerrant word of the living God.

Just imagine your armed forces preparing for battle. The bugle sounds, but then stops and gurgles. The army look all around them, and the bugleist says, "Sorry chaps, I'm not quite sure about this. Was that the right tune, or is there a more modern version of it?"

In the meantime, the army is overrun, and surrenders to the enemy, whose bugle is sure and steadfast, definite and certain, sharp and clear.

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News Item8/23/12 3:33 PM
KJV English speaking-Onlyist  Find all comments by KJV English speaking-Onlyist
Jim, I am 17 years old, and I can
1 Corinthians 14:9
So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.
The KJV is to me more understandable that your NASB speech that is clear.
1 Corinthians 14:8
For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?
The KJV uncertain sound makes more sense to me than NASB indistinct sound
Any other hard to understand verses Jim?
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News Item8/23/12 3:33 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Jim Lincoln wrote:
But, John U.K., if you understand Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic well go for the originals...
But Jimmy, if I went for the originals, I would just end up with a KJV in modern English. Now I wonder why the publishers never came up with that idea.

Oh yes, I remember.

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News Item8/23/12 3:22 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Now John UK, if you just get the Oxford Dictionary and The Ryrie KJV Study Bible Hardback-Red Letter, you would be much better off even if you do snub (too bad I can't make a verb snob ) seminaries, and yes, you're probably fortunate you didn't go to seminary, though something like the Detroit Baptist Theological Seminary or Masters Seminary might get your thinking set straight.

All of God's Word is suppose to have What Is the Clarity of Scripture? (Perpescuity), if any version doesn't have that, throw it out. Because,

1 Corinthians 14
8 For if the bugle produces an indistinct sound, who will prepare himself for battle?
9 So also you, unless you utter by the tongue speech that is clear, how will it be known what is spoken? For you will be speaking into the air.---NASB

But, John U.K., if you understand Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic well go for the originals, and if you're in a Shakespearean mood, and have a thorough knowledge of Elizabethan you can probably skip using New King James Version.

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News Item8/23/12 3:15 PM
KJV English speaking-Onlyist  Find all comments by KJV English speaking-Onlyist
Your right John, Ok, I believe the KJV again now.
Jim, I speak English.
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News Item8/23/12 3:10 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Gil and I believe the rest of my pastors at IHCC took Hebrew and Greek at their seminaries.
Well that explains a lot. I never went to a seminary, PRAISE GOD!

Jim, do wake up and pay attention to what is going on all around you.

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News Item8/23/12 3:05 PM
NASB English speaking-Onlyist  Find all comments by NASB English speaking-Onlyist
Ok, you won Jim.
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News Item8/23/12 3:04 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Well, I don't want the **** *** q.v., II Peter 2:16 KJV I don't speak nor bother with an antiquated language like the Elizabethan.

I use a modern language Bible, e.g.,

2Peter 2:16 but he received a rebuke for his own transgression, for a mute donkey, speaking with a voice of a man, restrained the madness of the prophet.---NASB-u

As Dr. Wallace pointed out from Part III: From the KJV to the RV...to Accuracy) you need the 13 vol. Oxford Dictionary to really know the AV! Of course the several The Truth About KJV...Agendas-no good! Nor and like the majority of Evangelicals while it isn't a sufficient reason, it is a necessary reason, for a Bible to have Baptists on its translation team, and the from the bulk of my message a Bible has to be in contemporary English. So, there's not much to discuss (arguing is a different matter) on the topic of Bibles.

Gil and I believe the rest of my pastors at IHCC took Hebrew&Greek at their semina

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News Item8/23/12 2:46 PM
KJV English speaking-Onlyist  Find all comments by KJV English speaking-Onlyist
For once you answer(not competently) one of my comments.
So you do not want a complete and perverse Bible in your language, but in a language you can not speak?
Hearing the Bible in Greek and Hebrew does not mean anything to me or any other laymen and women.
Oh look in the article you put in to understand what me untrain tongue say.
Oh what bible is the word of God in today's English anyway, Jim?
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News Item8/23/12 2:42 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
As an American Speaking Onlyist, what does your comment have to do with either my or the article? Ah, but thanks for giving me more space for Luther!
Dr. Wallace wrote:
Luther went into a strong diatribe against those pastors-in-training who resisted learning the biblical languages. And characteristically, he didn’t mince words. What he had to say then is still valid today. Listen to Luther:

In proportion as we value the gospel, let us zealously hold to the [biblical] languages. For it was not without purpose that God caused his Scriptures to be set down in these two languages alone—the Old Testament in Hebrew, the New in Greek. Now if God did not despise them but chose them above all others for his word, then we too ought to honor them above all others.

If through our neglect we let the languages go (God forbid!), we shall lose the gospel too. It is inevitable that unless the languages remain, the gospel must finally perish.

from, Part III: From the KJV to the RV (from Elegance to Accuracy).
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News Item8/23/12 2:21 PM
KJV English speaking-Onlyist  Find all comments by KJV English speaking-Onlyist
I guess that the tree of life have plagues right Jimmmy?
Where does it say where someone loses their salvation? Its says we will lose our part, not our names.
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News Item8/23/12 2:08 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
While these tomes may make their authors some money, and may be quite accurate, I think even the short blurb that SA has on the article somewhat covered the problem, but for some free articles:
Alice Wesley etc. wrote:
...By 1699 the balance of power had shifted. In that year, a group of Boston merchants, led by John Leverett and William and Thomas Brattle, issued a manifesto calling for the organization of a new church along "broad and catholick" lines. There was no official suppression. Rather the power of this group was demonstrated when Leverett, a layman, replaced the conservative minister Increase Mather as the President of Harvard College in 1707.
excerpt from, The Unitarian Controversy and Its Puritan Roots
Dr. Wallace wrote:
...One of the significant and terribly sad historical notes here is this: virtually every evangelical seminary that abandoned the study of the original languages has become unorthodox within fifty years.
excerpt from, Part III: From the KJV to the RV (from Elegance to Accuracy). Read the comments of Luther in this article!
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