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MONDAY, AUG 26, 2013  |  126 comments
Feds drop demand for baptism permits

The waters became troubled when members of Gladden Baptist Church in Salem, Mo., were unable to access a section of Sinking Creek where they had been baptizing converts for nearly 50 years. In that time, members of the congregation would accompany the pastor and baptismal candidates to the water’s edge to participate in the service. The elderly and mobility-impaired were taken to the sandbar site in vans.

This all changed when the Park Service placed large boulders blocking the sandbar to vehicle traffic, including wheelchairs.

Faye Walmsley, ONSR’s public-information officer, told the Salem Times a special-use permit has been a requirement for all First Amendment activities – public demonstrations, press events, religious services – for the past 25 years, but “we have just never actively used the authority until 2006.” ...


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News Item8/27/13 12:25 AM
John for JESUS | Atl  Find all comments by John for JESUS
Cont.

Was part of a Jewish proselyte ceremony and not anything commanded by Jesus.

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News Item8/27/13 12:20 AM
John for JESUS | Atl  Find all comments by John for JESUS
Wet, wet, wet...

I believe these Gentiles were baptized in water. But what for? They already made a public profession of Christ by being baptized on the Holy Spirit. It seems to me this was part

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News Item8/26/13 9:54 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
John for JESUS wrote:
... There is no reference to Gentiles being baptized with water after Acts 11. ...
Acts 16:25-34 (NKJV) "But at midnight Paul and Silas were praying and singing hymns to God, and the prisoners were listening to them. Suddenly there was a great earthquake, so that the foundations of the prison were shaken; and immediately all the doors were opened and everyone’s chains were loosed. And the keeper of the prison, awaking from sleep and seeing the prison doors open, supposing the prisoners had fled, drew his sword and was about to kill himself. But Paul called with a loud voice, saying, “Do yourself no harm, for we are all here.”Then he called for a light, ran in, and fell down trembling before Paul and Silas. And he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.” Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all who were in his house. And he took them the same hour of the night and washed their stripes. And immediately he and all his family were baptized. Now when he had brought them into his house, he set food before them; and he rejoiced, having believed in God with all his household."
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News Item8/26/13 9:23 PM
John for JESUS | Atl  Find all comments by John for JESUS
John UK...
The gift of the Holy Spirit is eternal life. That gift is given through the baptism of the Holy Spirit. I'm not sure what herring you are talking about. Acts doesn't tell whether Philip said water baptism is part of the gospel message. It certainly doesn't say baptism by water is part of the gospel message anywhere else. In Acts 2:38 Peter tells them to repent and be baptized for the remission of sins (which only Jesus can do) and they will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. What is the gift of God? Eternal life. One cannot receive eternal life apart from the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Remember also in Ephesians that it states there is only one baptism. You can keep water baptism, I'll take the Holy Spirit! Which one do you think saves us?
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News Item8/26/13 9:07 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
J4J, thank you for your response. Correct me if I wrongfully put forth your position. You stated that the baptism taught in the New Testament is not water baptism but baptism of the Holy Spirit. So, let us consider the passage that speaks of such. I Corinthians 12:13 states we were ALL baptized by one Spirit. Romans 8:9 states if we don't have the indwelling Holy Spirit we are none of His. Turn now to I Corinthians 1 where Paul said he baptized Crispus, Gaius, and the household of Stephanas. Followed by the statement, (verse 17) "For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel..." Remember now the Corinthians are NOT Jews.(and just to set the record straight Paul didn't go to Corinth until Acts 18) If baptism meant baptism of the Spirit,(something all believers of the gospel would have) that would be a strange statement indeed.
See also the analogy of baptism and water put forth by Peter (I Peter 3:20-21)
There would be no need to add into the great commission the act of baptism if it were simply baptism of the Spirit. "Go YE therefore... ...baptizing them in the name of the Father..." I have not met anyone who has the power to baptize people with the Spirit of God into the body of Christ. Have you?
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News Item8/26/13 6:13 PM
John for JESUS | Atl  Find all comments by John for JESUS
Unprofitable Servant...

Acts 16 is a historical account of what the keeper of the prison asked and Paul's response. It still applies today because Paul's statement was consistent with the rest of scripture. The teaching of water baptism in the church today, not so much. Where does the doctrine come from? Acts only states that the Ethiopian Eunuch was baptized in water, there is no where in scripture to collaborate what type of baptism it was beyond a baptism of discipleship. For instance, there isn't a place in scripture that says to be baptized in water you are to get into a river and be dunked in water while standing on one foot for the purpose of making a public confession of faith.

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News Item8/26/13 5:50 PM
tina | fly over country  Find all comments by tina
This article was a bit misleading. As someone who lives near the area, I can tell you the need for a permit was mainly due to driving down to the sand bar. Vehicles can leak oil, fluid etc. So there was a need to control how many vehicles are driving down there, to keep our waters beautiful. They could still do the baptisms but not drive down there. If they were allowed then Bubba in his beat up old truck that leaks oil would have the right to drive down there. It is open to anyone but if you want to reserve the spot for your function then yes you need a permit similar to using a park shelter house.
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News Item8/26/13 4:52 PM
  
@the fact......
Like most of your denomination that posts on here......NOT AN OUNCE OF GRACE can be seen in any of your posts...just a bunch of words from your creeds....and arrogance that is a stench!
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News Item8/26/13 4:28 PM
wet wet wet  Find all comments by wet wet wet
John for JESUS wrote:
1) This kind of proves the point that baptism is not of water because it says they shall be saved by being baptized
"Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?" Acts 10:47

This "Kinda proves the opposite"

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News Item8/26/13 4:10 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
John, do you believe that the gift of the Holy Spirit is not the same as being baptised with the Spirit?

"He that believeth and is baptized..."

Acts 2:38 KJV
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Here we have Peter preaching the first sermon after pentecost, following the pattern in Mark's gospel.

Your distraction I already pre-empted in my mind, and knew you would introduce a red herring, although I am amazed that you do not see water baptism as a part of the gospel message.

When Philip preached to a Gentile eunuch about the atoning sacrifice of Jesus Christ, where Jesus bore away the wrath of God due unto the sinner (Isaiah 53), the eunuch believed what he was hearing, and requested baptism in water. Why? It was because Philip included water baptism in his gospel presentation.

Besides, do you really want Peter to say: "Repent and be baptised with the Spirit, for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the Holy Spirit."

Now don't get sidetracked, stick to the point, which is water baptism by immersion.

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News Item8/26/13 3:55 PM
the fact is  Find all comments by the fact is
wrote:
That is the WCF word....not Gods word.
Let's not confuse the two.
I see you cannot read either.
If you could then you would not differentiate.
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News Item8/26/13 3:34 PM
John for JESUS | Atl  Find all comments by John for JESUS
John UK wrote:
1) Mark 16:15-16 KJV
15 And he [Jesus] said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
supplemented by...
2) Matthew 28:19-20 KJV
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
1) This kind of proves the point that baptism is not of water because it says they shall be saved by being baptized. Neither one of us believe water baptism saves. Why do you think it says he that believeth not shall be damned? Because one must believe in order to be baptized in the Holy Spirit, thus putting on Christ and becoming saved in Him.
2) "Teach" in v19 correlates to preaching the gospel in Mark 16:15. So, they preach the gospel to the lost, the believers are baptized, and then they taught doctrine to those believers. How do you think it could be said by Jesus that I am with you always? Because of washing in water or because He Indwells us by the baptism of the Holy Spirit?
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News Item8/26/13 2:27 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
JFJ, yes, you are incorrect on several things. John U.K., pointed out some of them, but present day Jews still use the Mikveh a full body immersion. As far as baptism goes, I would suggest you read, Baptism: Truth or Tradition, this article should go far in answering your questions. You can listen to the sermon, Calvinism & Arminanism Contrasted. But, if you go to a Southern Baptist Church, then there is no demand that you are a Calvinist or Arminian, or rather pick a church that agrees with your theology -- even if it might be wrong.
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News Item8/26/13 1:49 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
JfJ, your errors just keep on increasing, probably due to a lack of serious Bible study.

Are you really FOR Jesus?

Mark 16:15-16 KJV
15 And he [Jesus] said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

supplemented by...

Matthew 28:19-20 KJV
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

It is always best to obey the Lord Jesus Christ, rather than make up your own ideas concerning the proclamation of the gospel.

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News Item8/26/13 1:18 PM
John for JESUS | Atl  Find all comments by John for JESUS
John Yurich USA wrote:
Phillip and the Eunuch were Baptized in water. You claim to attend a Baptist Church and Baptist Churches do Baptism in water.
Though I am a member of a baptist church, that doesn't mean I agree with all their teachings. Such as, Calvanism, a pre-tribulation rapture, ceremonial washings of new believers and Rock music. That being said, one of my sons wanted to be dunked in a pool of water publicly before the church, so I let him. I also told him it was unnecessary and was only a tradition whereby people make an association with Christ by symbolizing His death and ressurection.

As far as the references of baptism with water in the N.T., I would say there are no references to Jews being baptized with water after the four gospels and that was primarily with John's Baptism for the remission of sins and perhaps later by Jesus' disciples for discipleship. There is no reference to Gentiles being baptized with water after Acts 11. There is also no mention of a definite mode, age requirement, or purpose for water baptism in the N.T. The mode of the Lord's Supper is to pray, break bread, and drink wine. The requirement is to be saved and the purpose is for remembering Him.

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News Item8/26/13 11:47 AM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
John for JESUS wrote:
Unprofitable Servant...
Not everything people did in the book of Acts should be followed. What happened with the Ethiopian Eunuch is presented as history, it isn't something that must be obeyed as doctrine. I can only speculate that the eunuch, being a Jewish proselyte, either wanted to be associated with John's baptism or that, he wanted to become a disciple of Christ.
Just trying to get a handle on this before posting an answer.(btw Obeying the Word, not interested in another debate about mode or subjects of baptism so you are more than welcome to go there, but will not respond)

J4J, in book of Acts 16 we have a statement in answer to the question What must I do to be saved, of believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved, are you saying that is just a historical statement or that still applies today?

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News Item8/26/13 11:10 AM
  
That is the WCF word....not Gods word.
Let's not confuse the two.
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News Item8/26/13 11:05 AM
Obeying the Word  Find all comments by Obeying the Word
Per God's command to baptise the infant.

BAPTISM:
"That it is instituted by our Lord Jesus Christ: That it is a seal of the covenant of grace, of our ingrafting into Christ, and of our union with him, of remission of sins, regeneration, adoption, and life eternal: That the water, in baptism, representeth and signifieth both the blood of Christ, which taketh away all guilt of sin, original and actual; and the sanctifying virtue of the Spirit of Christ against the dominion of sin, and the corruption of our sinful nature: That baptizing, or sprinkling and washing with water, signifieth the cleansing from sin by the blood and for the merit of Christ, together with the mortification of sin, and rising from sin to newness of life, by virtue of the death and resurrection of Christ: That the promise is made to believers and their seed; and that the seed and posterity of the faithful, born within the church, have, by their birth, interest in the covenant, and right to the seal of it, and to the outward privileges of the church, under the gospel, no less than the children of Abraham in the time of the Old Testament;" [WCF Dir. of Public Worship]

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News Item8/26/13 9:04 AM
John for JESUS | Atl  Find all comments by John for JESUS
Unprofitable Servant...

Not everything people did in the book of Acts should be followed. What happened with the Ethiopian Eunuch is presented as history, it isn't something that must be obeyed as doctrine. I can only speculate that the eunuch, being a Jewish proselyte, either wanted to be associated with John's baptism or that, he wanted to become a disciple of Christ.

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News Item8/26/13 8:54 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
John for JESUS wrote:
Yurich...
That was with John's baptism, but One came after him who baptises with the Holy Spirit.
It appears like someone is off their rocker and can't comprehend all the references in the New Testament about Baptism in water.
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