members, click to sign in..

3,397 active users!!Bandwidth
MONDAY
NOV 24, 2014
Home
NewsSITE
Events & Blogs
New Audio & Video
Broadcasters
Local Church Finder
Live Webcasts
Sermons by Bible
Sermons by Topic
Sermons by Speaker
Sermons by Date
Staff Picks
CommentsALL -2 hrs
Top Sermons
VideosPDFs
Daily Log
Photos
Stores
Online Bible
Hymnal
Daily Reading
Our Services
Submit Sermon
Members Only

 
RELIGION, CURRENT EVENTS, TECHNOLOGY Subscribe to the breaking newsWhat is RSS?
FRONT PAGE  |  11/24/2014
Choice News MONDAY, AUG 19, 2013  |  146 comments
Presbyterian Church (USA) drops In Christ Alone from hymnal

An extraordinary dispute has arisen over a lyric contained one of the most beloved contemporary Christian hymns of the modern-day Church, "In Christ Alone".

According to Bob Smietana of USA Today, the committee putting together a new hymnal for the Presbyterian Church (USA) dropped the popular hymn because the song's authors refused to change a phrase about the wrath of God.

He said that the original lyrics say that "on that cross, as Jesus died, the wrath of God was satisfied."

The Presbyterian Committee on Congregational Song wanted to substitute the words, "the love of God was magnified." ...


CLICK HERE to Read Entire Article
www.christiantoday.com

   11/20/14  |  Rick Warren on gay marriage: 'The Church must not cave in' • 34 comments
   11/18/14  |  SermonAudio Tip: Enjoy SermonAudio via Chromecast on your TV! • 9 comments
   11/18/14  |  Final approval given to women bishops at COE General Synod • 5 comments
   11/18/14  |  BioLogos pushes to change the way Christians read Genesis • 8 comments
   11/17/14  |  Christian booted from National Cathedral speaks out • 52 comments
OTHER CHOICE NEWS | MORE..
   06/02/14  |  A Letter to SermonAudio From a Missionary to Haiti • 10 comments
   02/07/14  |  Bringing the Gospel of John to Every Home in Austin, TX • 37 comments
   01/07/14  |  SermonAudio Partners with RFC for the 2014 Family Conference at... • 1 comments
   01/01/14  |  Happy New Year from SermonAudio! • 29 comments
   12/10/13  |  SermonAudio Broadcaster Loses Historic Church Building To Fire • 3 comments
OTHER CHOICE NEWS | MORE..

COMMENTS | show all | add new  
    Sorting Order:  
Page 1 | Page 6 ·  Found: 146 user comment(s)
News Item8/22/13 11:08 AM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
maieutic wrote:
1. Why Believe a dictionary eh Lurker???
2. Proof texts??? The Lord provides an entire book and you won't accept that??? But why believe the Lord eh Lurker??? In fact if you hymn users want to ditch the Psalms why not go the whole hog and ditch the Bible???
BTW What authority Biblical or otherwise gives you hymn users the right to replace the Bible with human uninspired compositions???
Still grasping at straws to get someone, anyone, to bow down to your traditions? I'm so embarrassed for you.
SteveR wrote:
I too find it very puzzling that our group of Sola Scripturites deny the obvious.
If psalms only is so obvious, why is it that no one is able to post even one prooftext to establish the tradition as biblical? (I will even lower the bar to a good and necesary consequence if that will help.) Is it a members only secret?
46

News Item8/22/13 10:18 AM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
maieutic wrote:
BTW What authority Biblical or otherwise gives you hymn users the right to replace the Bible with human uninspired compositions???
I too find it very puzzling that our group of Sola Scripturites deny the obvious. I guess if they cant use this SOLA to debase Christians they have personal feuds with, they feel free to ignore their own standards.

btw-If your hymnal contains any lyrics about December 25th, mistletoe,or Christmas trees you are by your own definition heretics. And thats just the obvious one, there are many unscriptural songs sung in conservatie churches beguiling your kids

Jeremiah 10:2 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. Jeremiah 10:3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. Jeremiah 10:4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. Jeremiah 10:5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.

45

News Item8/22/13 9:35 AM
maieutic  Find all comments by maieutic
Lurker wrote:
1. Ah..... dictionaries are not (biblical) prooftexts either.
2. But, then again, we both know there are no prooftexts for the claims you've been floating..... don't we?
1. Why Believe a dictionary eh Lurker???

2. Proof texts??? The Lord provides an entire book and you won't accept that??? But why believe the Lord eh Lurker??? In fact if you hymn users want to ditch the Psalms why not go the whole hog and ditch the Bible???

BTW What authority Biblical or otherwise gives you hymn users the right to replace the Bible with human uninspired compositions???

44

News Item8/22/13 9:09 AM
some woman | wisconsin  Find all comments by some woman
my experience with "some song"
i went to the WELS for to draw me some water and this was the song the "visiting pastor" gave us in a handout to sing: The Night Will Soon Be Ending, i just adored this song and believed it was God Himself promising me my pain and agony was soon over and i had finally found my conservative church home, i researched this song because i wanted it on my computer, this is what i found out about the person who wrote this song

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jochen_Klepper
he committed suicide, he talked his wife and daughter into doing this with him,
to me offering this song is like unto offering a sickly sacrifice, i left the WELS and dug into them and found the ichabodthegloryhasdeparted website.

sometimes a song is wrong and
sometimes a people get rid of a good song because it gets in the way of their sinning

43

News Item8/22/13 2:30 AM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
foot tappers anon wrote:
Dictionary
"Require"
1.
to have need of; need: He requires medical care.
2.
to call on authoritatively; order or enjoin to do something: to require an agent to account for money spent.
3.
to ask for authoritatively or imperatively; demand.
4.
to impose need or occasion for; make necessary or indispensable: The work required infinite patience.
5.
to call for or exact as obligatory; ordain: The law requires annual income-tax returns.
Ah..... dictionaries are not (biblical) prooftexts either.

But, then again, we both know there are no prooftexts for the claims you've been floating..... don't we?

That said, repeating what I've said many times in the past..... I will respect your right to be wrong.

42

News Item8/21/13 4:32 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
On 2nd thought, forget it. I'm not interested...I don't want to get involved in an argument. I've been in enough...ha-ha.
41

News Item8/21/13 3:28 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
I hate my name being mentioned like that. What exactly did I say that would make you post a comment saying that I basically do/think/say whatever I want even if it goes contrary to the Bible, hence, I should write my own?

Please copy/paste what I've said to warrant such a comment.

40

News Item8/21/13 3:25 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Psalms Only wrote:
1. Putting the psalms into metric was done in the 17th century (1650). In point of fact this was done as exegesis (for faithfulness to the original Hebrew texts) as well as versification and the resultant exegesis is considered to be a better interpretation than the KJV.
2. No music required in true Reformed Psalm singing. Just human voice as God provided.
3. That's what concerns me "true worship" - When you hymn users are ditching part of the Bible during worship???
1.
2. No music - singing?
3. If you were to do a study on all the great hymns, you would be able to recognise which parts of scripture they were based on. You could start off with "The Lord's my Shepherd...."

Now as to this "true worship", the Jews were given strict instructions because their worship was to be very physical and a type of that which was to come, the antitype. Worship now does not need to be in Jerusalem, or in a mountain or holy place. I can worship God doing my shopping, or while painting pictures, or walking a dog. If you imagine that "worship" is something which you can define in terms of actions, I rather think you have never experienced the true and spiritual worship of our Lord Jesus Christ.

39

News Item8/21/13 3:19 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
foot tappers anon wrote:
I'm sure you, Christopher, Michael and Mike et al could come up with a far better Bible.

No, and I don't know how you gleaned that comment after reading my post. I said Psalms could be right or wrong about the topic but aimed my comment on beginning with an insult.
Hmmm...you sound familiar.

38

News Item8/21/13 2:52 PM
Psalms Only  Find all comments by Psalms Only
Michael Hranek wrote:
1. Have you offered to the Father a blood sacrifice
2. you have no right to "demand" others in what
3. since there is no musical script no notes accompanying the Psalms
1. The (atoning) "sacrifice" for the true Christian is Jesus. Is Jesus your sacrifice?
2. I am not demanding anything of you hymn singers. I'm just showing you how you have ditched the Bible to establish your Sunday morning entertainment in lieu of worship to God.
3. God did not provide music. We don't use or need musical instruments - never have in the true Reformed Church.

____________

John UK wrote:
1. For one thing, they have to metricate God's word
2. lo and behold, they make use of hymn tunes
3. genuine lack of true worship
1. Putting the psalms into metric was done in the 17th century (1650). In point of fact this was done as exegesis (for faithfulness to the original Hebrew texts) as well as versification and the resultant exegesis is considered to be a better interpretation than the KJV.
2. No music required in true Reformed Psalm singing. Just human voice as God provided.
3. That's what concerns me "true worship" - When you hymn users are ditching part of the Bible during worship???
37

News Item8/21/13 1:51 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Michael Hranek wrote:
BTW since there is no musical script no notes accompanying the Psalms it seems people will just have to set them to music or a tune in order to sing them, so there you go human being putting their hands upon what God has written, and even if there were notes human being probably couldn't get the tune right anyway.
The PO churches really ought to be embarrassed when they consider this point, Michael. For one thing, they have to metricate God's word to make it singable, and then, lo and behold, they make use of hymn tunes to worship God with.

But what is far worse is the genuine lack of true worship in individual hearts. Worship is not something you can document or stage-manage; it is either in the heart or it is not. The unbeliever cannot worship, neither can backslidden Christians.

A W Tozer warned about the lack of true worship in God's people, but was ignored. Hence the trend towards apostasy and liturgical formality.

How many today have the form of godliness without the power?

I believe fellow pilgrims and others who make up the latter-day remnant really ought to think carefully about this important subject, and hopefully return to a vibrant, true and spiritual worship of our glorious Lord.

36

News Item8/21/13 12:44 PM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
foot tappers anon wrote:
Do they please God?
foot tappers anon
Right to the point.
DO YOU PLEASE GOD?
Have you offered to the Father a blood sacrifice given in perfect obedience to His will?
If you haven't why or what in the world are you doing sitting in judgment upon others to "command" them how they can or cannot worship God?
Isn't doing so a blasphemous usurpation of what belongs to God and NOT to you?

Simply put you have no right to "demand" others in what they might or might not do in their worship of God, they might be right they might be dead wrong BUT YOU would be likewise so utterly wrong in imagining you have juristiction/authority to command or influence anyone else in how they must or must not worship and serve God

even when you proof text and manipulate the Scripture to attempt to do so

BTW since there is no musical script no notes accompanying the Psalms it seems people will just have to set them to music or a tune in order to sing them, so there you go human being putting their hands upon what God has written, and even if there were notes human being probably couldn't get the tune right anyway.

35

News Item8/21/13 12:27 PM
foot tappers anon  Find all comments by foot tappers anon
Lurker wrote:
"God requires praise..." You sing Psalms out of debt? Grace is not really a free gift? Got prooftexts?
Dictionary
"Require"
1.
to have need of; need: He requires medical care.
2.
to call on authoritatively; order or enjoin to do something: to require an agent to account for money spent.
3.
to ask for authoritatively or imperatively; demand.
4.
to impose need or occasion for; make necessary or indispensable: The work required infinite patience.
5.
to call for or exact as obligatory; ordain: The law requires annual income-tax returns.

____________

Michael Hranek wrote:
than to hinder a child of God from expressing their love for the Savior in a song
Tell me Michael, Do you think God has removed or ditched His book of Psalms in the same way that the church has to use their human production of praise??

Do sinners who replace the Word of God and turn to Him with their own words and human musical entertainments, their own version of Bible - their own version of worship - to the exclusion of God's own ordained Psalms???
Do they please God?

34

News Item8/21/13 11:33 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
foot tappers anon wrote:
I'm sure you, Christopher, Michael and Mike et al could come up with a far better Bible.
foot tappers anon
Do you have any idea the dangerous ground you are treading on???

Probably not, so let me give you a hint:
It would be better that a milestone be hung around the neck of an individual then to cause one of God's little ones to stumble.

Why does that come to my mind???

Because you refer to David who was GUILTY of Dancing before the LORD! and his wife despised him from putting on such an exhibition.

Better to duct tape your mouth shut, than to hinder a child of God from expressing their love for the Savior in a song they would offer to Him in the faith they have.

33

News Item8/21/13 11:25 AM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Psalms Only wrote:
"The twenty-six Puritan signatories of the Preface to the 1673 London edition of the Scottish Metrical Psalter:

"Jonathan Edwards (1703-1758):

Commentaries are not prooftexts. Work with me here. I'm a Baptist type..... a little slow to catch on. We weren't invented till 1521, ya know.
foot tappers anon wrote:
Actually there is an entire BOOK to the effect GOD requires His praises from His people. You may not have heard of it but its called THE BOOK OF PSALMS.
"God requires praise..." You sing Psalms out of debt? Grace is not really a free gift? Got prooftexts?
32

News Item8/21/13 10:13 AM
foot tappers anon  Find all comments by foot tappers anon
Lurker wrote:
Got Prooftexts?
Actually there is an entire BOOK to the effect GOD requires His praises from His people. You may not have heard of it but its called THE BOOK OF PSALMS. However if this Book which GOD Himself divinely inspired for His praise and worship is insufficient, inadequate or just plain old not good enough for you Lurker, then perhaps you should take your complaint directly to GOD Himself. You could tell Him and complain the music is simply unacceptable to you because you require a bouncy, lively and exuberant tune to effect your worship? Something to get your feet tapping and prove more entertaining for you. And complain about the lyrics used that they may be divinely inspired but they don't have the pithy, erudite and intelligent theology which you and human writers can more efficiently express.
Perhaps if you analyse worship and what God likes or requires, you could present an argument for rewriting the whole Bible. If the Book of Psalms as providentially produced and provided by the Lord is inadequate in your expert opinion then removing just this one book may be the basis for writing your own entire version.

I'm sure you, Christopher, Michael and Mike et al could come up with a far better Bible.

31

News Item8/21/13 8:28 AM
Psalms Only  Find all comments by Psalms Only
"The twenty-six Puritan signatories of the Preface to the 1673 London edition of the Scottish Metrical Psalter: “… to us David's Psalms seem plainly intended by those terms of ‘psalms and hymns and spiritual songs,’ which the apostle useth (Eph. 5.19; Col. 3.16)” (the signatories include John Owen, Thomas Manton, Matthew Poole, Thomas Watson, Thomas Vincent and William Jenkyn)."

"Jonathan Edwards (1703-1758): "Another thing God did towards this work at that time was His inspiring David to show forth Christ and His redemption in Divine songs, which should be for the use of the Church in public worship throughout all ages. This was also a glorious advancement of the office of redemption, as God hereby gave His Church a book of divine songs for their use in that part of their public worship–viz., singing His praises throughout all ages to the end of the world. It is manifest the Book of Psalms was given of God for this end. David is called the “sweet Psalmist of Israel” (II Sam. 23:1), because he penned Psalms for the use of the Church of Israel; and we find the same are appointed in the New Testament to be made use of in their worship: 'Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs' (Eph. 5:19)." (cprf.co.uk)

And many many more.

30

News Item8/21/13 7:57 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Psalms Only Wrote:
"What a pity you hymn singers have such a polemical life when the Lord has already established His praise and recorded it in the Bible for His Church"

I always get a kick out of, and immediately lose any respect for people who blast onto the board with insults and then go on to scorn others for their own sins, attitudes, etc. Here, the conversation is started with an insult, and then continues on as if the person has some sort of pipeline to God; being duly appointed to pass judgement on all of the poor, misguided, hell bound souls he/she is smugly looking down upon. Maybe Psalms Only is right...maybe wrong, but the attention grabber was the insult followed up with holier than thou scorn which is oozing with hypocrisy.
What came to mind while reading was the old " don't throw stones" cliché.
Interesting how some just love to sit high upon their lofty perch, looking down upon the misguided; never taking the time to look within.

29

News Item8/21/13 12:36 AM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Psalms Only wrote:
Nope wrong again Lurker.
Where do you get them from?
Hymns-R-Us
Psalms Only wrote:
But the essential point in this debate is that you hymn singers are rejecting and replacing part of Scripture with human effort and output namely hymns.

By doing this they are 'replacing' inspired praise the Psalms which God has ordained for His praise; - with human uninspired productions ie hymns.

"Psalms which God has ordained for His praise"

Got Prooftexts?

28

News Item8/20/13 8:52 PM
Paul | Newtownabbey, Northern Ireland UK  Protected NameFind all comments by Paul
To Psalms Only: I read about this a couple of weeks ago on Keith and Kristyn Getty's Facebook page and the issue was definitely about God's wrath being poured out on Christ. In this particular article the Presbyterian Committee are trying to muddy the waters a little by shifting the emphasis to the word satisfied. When Christ said on the cross it is finished He can only come before a Holy God through Christ. The scriptures talk about being accepted in the beloved.
27
There are a total of 146 user comments displayed | add new comment |Subscribe to these comments
Page 1 | Jump to Page : 1 2 3 4 5 [6] 7 8 | last
Last PostTotal
Top Vatican prosecutor failed to report abuser
jim lincoln from nebraska: "it makes you wonder how sincere his unholiness is about..."
-2 hrs 
Automation Makes Us Dumb
jim lincoln from nebraska: "jamie considering we were never a christian nation, one..."
-2 hrs 
President Obama Cites the Bible in Immigration Speech
jim lincoln from nebraska: "this is biggest group of republicans that wants..."
-2 hrs 22 


Cheer for the Faint-Hearted
Bill Parker
Righteousness & Iniquity, Pt.1

2012 Spring Bible Conference
Conference
Grace Baptist Church
Play! | MP3 | RSS


Ken Wimer
If the Lord Will

Gospel According to Luke
Shreveport Grace Church
Video!Play! | MP4

Jon Couch
Faithful In Christ

This Day Ministries
Radio Broadcast
Play! | MP3

Bob Vincent
Defending the Faith

Rejecting Atheism
Grace Presbyterian Church
Play! | MP3

Ken Wimer
Chosen To Salvation

Radio Broadcast
Shreveport Grace Church
Play! | MP3

Sponsor:
Lowest Puritan Hard Drive Price Ever!

For A Very Short Time We Are Off­er­ing A Shock­ingly Low Price. Click To See How Low!
www.puritandownloads.com/pu..

Sermon:
Are You Sent of God?
Samson Jebutu

Sykesville, MD | zip
Liberty Church, PCA

The den­om­in­at­ion of RC Sproul and Tim Kell­er.
www.libertychurchpca.org






                   
To pray without labouring is to mock God. ... Robert Haldane

City: Las Vegas, NV
Gospel of John
Cities | Local | Personal
MOBILE
iPhone + iPad
Church App
Android New!
Church App
Kindle + Nook New!
BlackBerry
Windows Mobile, Nokia
Chromecast TV
ROKU TV
Pebble Smartwatch
Kindle Reader


HELP
Knowledgebase
Broadcasters
Listeners
Q&A
Uploading Sermons
Uploading Videos
Webcasting
Tips & Tricks
YouTube Screencasts

FOLLOW
Weekly Newsletter
Staff Picks Feed
Site Notices New!
RSS | Twitter | Facebook
SERVICES | ALL
Local Church Finder | Info
MP3 Play & Download
Mobile Apps
Podcasting
Video Support
Live Webcasting
Transcription Service
HIFI Option
Business Cards
SOLO | MINI | Domains
Favorites
QR Codes
24x7 Radio Stream
INTEGRATION
Sermon Browser
HTML Codes
WordPress
Twitter
Facebook
Logos | e-Sword
SOAP API

BATCH
Transfer Agent
Protected Podcasts
Upload via Email
Auto-Upload Sermons
Auto-Blog Import
Picasa | FTP | Dropbox
ABOUT US
SermonAudio.com is the largest library of audio sermons from conservative churches and ministries worldwide. All broadcasters must adhere to the Articles of Faith.

Our Services | Testimonials
Broadcast With Us!
Support Us
Advertising | Local Ads
CONTACT
info@sermonaudio.com
Copyright © 2014 SermonAudio.com.