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Chicago police confirm 'tragic number' of 500 homicides
Chicago reached “a tragic number” today, according to Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy: Its homicide total for the year hit 500, the highest annual total since 2008.

The city's latest homicide occurred around 9 p.m. Thursday when Nathaniel T. Jackson, 40, an alleged gang member with a lengthy arrest record, was gunned down outside a store in the Austin neighborhood.

As of Thursday night, homicides were up 17 percent over last year in Chicago and shootings had increased by 11 percent, according to police statistics. Earlier this fall, Chicago already exceeded the number of homicides that occurred last year, but this is the first time the city has had 500 or more murders since the 512 in 2008. ...


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News Item12/31/12 9:54 PM
Publican | Northern Hemisphere  Find all comments by Publican
Whew! That was scary. Had to have my son come to the rescue.
Remember, the binding of Satan in the image is representative.
We all know that the great work of our Lord will not be put off, nay, not even altered. Hence, the Jewish rulers, who did not want to murder Jesus at the Passover, had no power to prevent it. We needed Satan to subject our Lord to His trials to fulfill prophecy. But he could not hinder the accomplishment of our salvation. He was absolutely powerless. In our view, Satan had free reign to move men to crucify the Lord; not knowing that he was bound by God to do His will in the accomplishment of God's design. Had he known that he was doing God's will in order to our salvation, do you think he would have done it? 'Released' immediately after the fulfillment of such, he has been deceiving the nations ever since.
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News Item12/31/12 8:29 PM
BMello | Orange County, CA  Find all comments by BMello
This is a test...
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News Item12/31/12 8:05 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Publican wrote:
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Only the Lord can bind Satan, cast him out, destroy him who had the power of death. He was bound by Jesus while He was here and at the cross. How long thereafter was it before Satan began to deceive the nations again? Almost immediately.

Let the scripture interpret scripture; not us from outside sources and ideas.

Excellent idea. Now if Satan was bound while Jesus walked the Earth, such that the nations would be deceived no more:

What is your definition of "no more"?
Who tempted Jesus in the wilderness?
The devils that were cast into the swine, did they not know their boss was bound?
The demons he freed many from, why weren't they bound with the boss?
If the nations were not deceived during this time, what happened to the Pharisees? Pilate? Judas? Rome? Were they not notified?

The time of the nations being deceived no more has yet to be.

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News Item12/31/12 6:05 PM
Publican | Northern Hemisphere  Find all comments by Publican
For some reason, I've been shut out. I'm on my iPhone. I want to answer all questions, but I don't know if I'm getting through. To answer Rufus, how about ONE thousand. And John, anywhere Satan is spoken of as being made impotent, cast out, or his work being destroyed, is him being bound. All heading toward or at the cross. Ah, dear brothers; this is so important, but it is too difficult on my phone. I must somehow regain access.
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News Item12/31/12 5:31 PM
Rufus | Fort Worth, TX  Protected NameFind all comments by Rufus
Publican wrote:
No, no, no.
The problem we have here is that no one is using God's word to interpret God's word. A thousand does not mean a thousand. It virtually never does. Particularly when it comes to time. But in other uses as well.
God owns the cattle on a thousand hills. Really. Is that all?
A day with the Lord is as a thousand years. So God ages?
The list of the uses of this number to describe:
a. An indefinitely large number
b. Forever or eternity
c. Until something is perfected or fulfilled
goes on and on.
Even the dictionary defines it as an indefinitely large number.
We use it even in common language the same way.
Look these up.
Only the Lord can bind Satan, cast him out, destroy him who had the power of death. He was bound by Jesus while He was here and at the cross. How long thereafter was it before Satan began to deceive the nations again? Almost immediately.
Let the scripture interpret scripture; not us from outside sources and ideas.
Based on your interpretation of a "thousand", if the Holy Ghost wanted to describe a time period of one thousand years, how would it be done since whenever He says "thousand" he virtually always means something other than a thousand?
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News Item12/31/12 5:31 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Frank & Mike
I sure wish I could grasp it and answer the questions, but alas, I have not the wherewithal. But hey, maybe there is angel here with, in his hand, the key of knowledge and wisdom to unlock the mystery. But don't go looking for an actual key or mortice lock, it is only an allegory for setting the truth free from its incarceration.

Now I'm off to bed before those wretched people (real ones) start up their firework display in the village, as they try to recreate the sounds of Nazi bombs blasting their way to a hoped-for but never-realised victory all those years ago.

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News Item12/31/12 5:14 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
John UK wrote:
Let me have a go at this, please.
Allegorical = ag
Revelation 20:1-3 KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key [ag] of the bottomless pit [ag] and a great chain [ag] in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon [ag], that old serpent [ag], which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him [ag] a thousand years [ag],
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit [ag], and shut him up, and set a seal [ag] upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years [ag] should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
Eh?
Bro, an allegory has literal and symbolic meaning. What would you say are the literal meanings of the verses you posted? Also, what do you do with John's "I saw"? What did he see, an allegory? How does that work? He saw an angel, but didn't see a key or a chain "in his hand"? Or is the angel's hand a symbol also? Or the angel himself? What do you make of "that he should deceive the nations no more"? Are the nations deceived today? Has there yet been a period when nations have not been deceived? What does that say about the "when" of the "thousand years"?
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News Item12/31/12 4:56 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Brother John UK,

Psalms 90:4 KJV4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.

2 Peter 3:7-8 KJV 7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. 8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

John, so that you understand my thoughts, notice in the above verses how the Holy Spirit uses “but as” in Psalms 90 and then something that is clearly not the thousand years, “a watch in the night”. Then in 2nd Peter He uses one day and this says “as a” thousand years, etc. Now in the Re 20 verses there are no such comparisons being made. And once again, remember He does this 6 times.

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News Item12/31/12 4:15 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Frank wrote:
No, I don't think you would intentionally be a deconstructionist. It would be like someone finding an example of a day not being 24 hours and then deconstructing verses where it clearly does mean 24 hours. Or it could be someone who finds the term 1,000 years where it is clearly AG and then uses that to deconstruct verses where it clearly does mean a thousand years.
Of course, you and I might do that by accident, but never intentionally.
Unprofitable Servant; see what you started.
Ah yes, I see what it is now. So that if there is no reference to an actual thousand years in scripture, then the deconstructionist is out of work on that.

I think this will be very interesting.

Christopher, did you want to know how it is there are so many denominations within the church, and denominations within the denominations?

Publican
Pray continue - what you say is making some sense to me. Is there a theological term for what you propose?

But I would like to know in what way Satan was bound while Jesus our Lord walked the earth. Thank you.

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News Item12/31/12 3:55 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
John UK wrote:
1. It is not so easy, this thousand years.
Psalms 90:4 KJV
4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.
2 Peter 3:7-8 KJV
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
2. Frank, I have not heard tell of it. Are you going to tell me I'm a deconstructionist? Surely not, whatever it means.
3. Carry on...
No, I don't think you would intentionally be a deconstructionist. It would be like someone finding an example of a day not being 24 hours and then deconstructing verses where it clearly does mean 24 hours. Or it could be someone who finds the term 1,000 years where it is clearly AG and then uses that to deconstruct verses where it clearly does mean a thousand years.

Of course, you and I might do that by accident, but never intentionally.

Unprofitable Servant; see what you started.

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News Item12/31/12 3:51 PM
Publican | Northern Hemisphere  Find all comments by Publican
No, no, no.
The problem we have here is that no one is using God's word to interpret God's word. A thousand does not mean a thousand. It virtually never does. Particularly when it comes to time. But in other uses as well.
God owns the cattle on a thousand hills. Really. Is that all?
A day with the Lord is as a thousand years. So God ages?
The list of the uses of this number to describe:
a. An indefinitely large number
b. Forever or eternity
c. Until something is perfected or fulfilled
goes on and on.
Even the dictionary defines it as an indefinitely large number.
We use it even in common language the same way.
Look these up.
Only the Lord can bind Satan, cast him out, destroy him who had the power of death. He was bound by Jesus while He was here and at the cross. How long thereafter was it before Satan began to deceive the nations again? Almost immediately.
Let the scripture interpret scripture; not us from outside sources and ideas.
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News Item12/31/12 3:49 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Frank wrote:
1. John, only one of the things you noted above were said more than once; the thousand year part. If something is repeated in repetition, then it is likely to be literal, wouldn't you say? 2. Are you familiar with the concept of deconstructionism?
1. It is not so easy, this thousand years.

Psalms 90:4 KJV
4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.

2 Peter 3:7-8 KJV
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

2. Frank, I have not heard tell of it. Are you going to tell me I'm a deconstructionist? Surely not, whatever it means.

3. Carry on...

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News Item12/31/12 3:40 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
John UK wrote:
Let me have a go at this, please.
Allegorical = ag
Revelation 20:1-3 KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key [ag] of the bottomless pit [ag] and a great chain [ag] in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon [ag], that old serpent [ag], which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him [ag] a thousand years [ag],
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit [ag], and shut him up, and set a seal [ag] upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years [ag] should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
Eh?
John, only one of the things you noted above were said more than once; the thousand year part. If something is repeated in repetition, then it is likely to be literal, wouldn't you say? Now, if I write something and use the same term or thought 6 times, I would be trying to tell someone something.

But, I was wrong because I really didn't think anyone would attempt to argue against what US said. But, I will agree with most of what you noted as being AG. Lastly, I didn't re-read US's post, but I don't think he said those verses you noted weren't AG?

Are you familiar with the concept of deconstructionism?

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News Item12/31/12 3:30 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
What surrounds the verses about a thousand years?
Let me have a go at this, please.
Allegorical = ag

Revelation 20:1-3 KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key [ag] of the bottomless pit [ag] and a great chain [ag] in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon [ag], that old serpent [ag], which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him [ag] a thousand years [ag],
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit [ag], and shut him up, and set a seal [ag] upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years [ag] should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Eh?

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News Item12/31/12 3:23 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
What surrounds the verses about a thousand years? Remember chapter and verse divisions are not inspired but are very helpful. We have the saints singing Alleluia for the Lord God Omnipotent reigns (is that allegorical?) We have the marriage supper of the Lamb where the saints are arrayed in the fine linen which is the righteousness of the saints (is that allegorical?) We have Christ conquering the nations of the earth (is that allegorical?) We have the Lord with a vesture with the name King of Kings and Lord of Lords (is that allegorical?) We have Satan, the beast and the false prophet along with unbelievers cast into the lake of fire (is that allegorical?) We have the great white throne judgment (is that allegorical?) No reason to not take the passage literally. Also, thanks Frank for your kind comment.
It was my pleasure. You do know that none of these folks who don't believe in a literal millennium will present an argument against what you wrote? Your logic was right on and can't be intelligently debated. If I am wrong, then what a poor argument it would be. But we will see.
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News Item12/31/12 2:56 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Ah, it's always good to have simple answers to complex problems, For example, I would suggest a moderately short article,
Chicago Homicide Rate Spikes, While New York's Plummets
.

There is however a short answer, to the problems these cities face, Christ gives The Power to Live Free of Sin but still
Even Forgiven Sin is Devastating
. The pity of course not everyone is chosen to be a Christian.

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News Item12/31/12 2:53 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
What surrounds the verses about a thousand years? Remember chapter and verse divisions are not inspired but are very helpful. We have the saints singing Alleluia for the Lord God Omnipotent reigns (is that allegorical?) We have the marriage supper of the Lamb where the saints are arrayed in the fine linen which is the righteousness of the saints (is that allegorical?) We have Christ conquering the nations of the earth (is that allegorical?) We have the Lord with a vesture with the name King of Kings and Lord of Lords (is that allegorical?) We have Satan, the beast and the false prophet along with unbelievers cast into the lake of fire (is that allegorical?) We have the great white throne judgment (is that allegorical?) No reason to not take the passage literally. Also, thanks Frank for your kind comment.
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News Item12/31/12 2:50 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Thanks San Jose John...I was hoping someone would attempt an explanation...ha-ha. I've never heard anything different before and the coming millenium I've read about always sounded pretty literal to me. As a side note, Hal Lindsay never helped me out with this since I've never read any of his books. I came up with that just by reading the Bible and have heard it referenced countless times since. I'll have to go back and read it but I thought it was always pretty clear. I'm amazed again at how differently we understand some things.
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News Item12/31/12 2:46 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
Try Revelation 20:1-10 the phrase thousand years is used 6 times. 10 years = decade 100 years = century 1,000 years = millennium. There were no chapter divisions initially and no one says the passages that surrounds these verse are allegorical, so not sure why the passage that includes it all of a sudden would be. Chicago has strict gun control laws, so apparently more gun control is not the answer. Why do people miss the obvious, criminals are called criminals because they don't obey the law, so gun control laws only take guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens. If they are law abiding citizens they are not committing criminal acts. Why take away their guns?
Excellent comment. I agree fully with every point you made. Thanks!
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News Item12/31/12 2:30 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
John Beechy wrote:
What do you mean by "law" and could you help me understand? And could you also explain what it means to be a "law-abiding citizen?" Thanks.
Sure! Sorry for being so ambiguous. The law would be any gun control law passed. Criminals would ignore the law and either illegally buy or steal a gun. Law abiding means those who obey the law and would not have the gun due to it. Gun control laws make it safer for criminals. There was a guy in Texas that went into a restaurant shot his intended target and then followed the other diners into the theater into which they ran to shoot them. He was stopped by a off duty officer who shot him, stopping the carnage. Thus no mass killing like in Colorado where the theater had a sign out front, no fire arms allowed.(amazing little news coverage on the story) Over 500 murders in Chicago (a city as Rufus stated with stringent gun control laws), in Kennesaw GA where all residents are required to own guns, no one murdered since ordinance passed 25 years ago. Hope that clears things up. Also, Publican, my admonition was to read Scripture, not Hal Lindsey or other commentators. You find the word 6 times in a passage that has no hermeneutical reason to not take literally.
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