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End-Times Christian Movie Series ‘Left Behind’ Set for Hollywood Reboot
While the “Left Behind” series is getting a major face-lift, the team behind the older films is, at least to a degree, intact. Writer, producer and Cloud Ten Pictures founder Paul Lalonde worked on the original series and he’s once again leading the latest effort. Script consultant John Patus, one of the many individuals who worked on “Left Behind: World at War,” the third movie in the series, is also involved in the new project.

While the reboot will follow what the Hollywood Reporter calls “a classic disaster film” format, the essential tenets of end-times theology will still be present. In fact, the film will remain Christian at its core, with the plot, once again, focusing on the survivors living in the hours after the Biblical Rapture. ...


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SteveR | Upper Midwest  Find all comments by SteveR
John for Jesus wrote:
Rms 9-11 talks about a physical Israel that is blinded in part, but one day will believe. Does anybody here realize there is a spiritual and physical Israel?
There wasnt a 'physical' Israel when Paul wrote his epistle to the Church in Rome. Palestine(Judah) was a small part of the Roman Empire then. A unified Israel was a promise of the prophets ever since the Assyrian Empire PHYSICALLY took 10 tribes away...Those tribes never returned

This promise is fulfilled in Christ

Galatians 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
...

Galatians 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.

Galatians 6:16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

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News Item10/22/12 5:04 PM
John for Jesus | Atl  Find all comments by John for Jesus
Rms 9-11 talks about a physical Israel that is blinded in part, but one day will believe. Does anybody here realize there is a spiritual and physical Israel?
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News Item10/22/12 3:36 PM
SteveR | Upper Midwest  Find all comments by SteveR
John for Jesus wrote:
I believe the gospel is hid, therefore it must be preached to the lost.
The remnant will be saved. Jesus is not in need of salvation. The remnant is always spoken of in the plural tense and not singular as would be expected of Jesus.
Your answer violates a basic premise of Scripture, a seed can only reproduce after itself. Bad seeds can not produce good fruit.

Christ is that remnant, Christ is the Seed of Abraham.

Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

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News Item10/22/12 3:01 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
I haven't read any of the books, e.g. The Indwelling: The Beast Takes Possession - Left Behind Series - Book 7, but I have a feeling that the books are better than the movies made about them? ESCHATOLOGY--Different Rapture Views and Pre- Vs Post Tribulational Rapture.
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News Item10/22/12 2:59 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Lurker wrote:
Yes I am pretty much back to normal.... whatever that is, so thanks be to God for prayers answered.
Btw, after reading my comment and reading the text in question, I realized I had answered John wrong. Hence, the edit of my post since your quote of the same. Sorry for any confusion but I believe Paul was talking about the fulfillment of prophecies such as Ezekiel 37:18-28.
Gotta go.
Yes, I am getting ready to leave the house as well. But, I hope you didn't think you were going to get off that easy. True Israel is the genetic offspring of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who have recognized and received their Messiah. I as a Gentile convert have been grafted into true Israel and we both make up the body of Christ and He only has one bride.

I think.

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News Item10/22/12 2:58 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Thanks for the answers. But...

Romans 11:25-28 KJV
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.

Take v25 for eg.

Blindness in part is happened to Israel UNTIL....

1. Some of Israel are currently blinded. Therefore these are not yet saved.

2. Until.... which infers that the blindness will be removed. When?

3. Until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. These who are the spiritual seed of Abraham, all gathered into the fold. Then what?

4. Then (i.e. after this) all of Israel shall be saved (v26).

5. Why?

6. Because of the covenant of election (v28).

Is this not right? Can you say that the word "Israel" means God's elect from Jew and Gentile? Or a geneticism?

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News Item10/22/12 2:53 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Frank wrote:
Glad you are feeling better and are feisty again. My prayers appear to have been answered.
If your post agreed with mine, then you are correct is the better way to look at it.
Yes I am pretty much back to normal.... whatever that is, so thanks be to God for prayers answered.

Btw, after reading my comment and reading the text in question, I realized I had answered John wrong. Hence, the edit of my post since your quote of the same. Sorry for any confusion but I believe Paul was talking about the fulfillment of prophecies such as Ezekiel 37:18-28.

Gotta go.

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News Item10/22/12 2:34 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Lurker wrote:
Israel is the seed of Jacob...... period. God's promise was made to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and no one else..... period. There is one seed; Christ..... period. All this ethnic stuff is a distraction from the truth of scripture. You and I are descendants of Abraham and Sarah through Isaac and Jacob.
In Rom 11:26, Paul is talking about the tribes of Judah and Benjamin (naming them "Israel" but typically are called the house of Judah) which were cast off, broken off the olive tree (COG), while the house of Israel (ten tribes) which had earlier been scattered amongst the Gentles (Edom or Esau) became the object of God's mercy through His purpose of election.
In Gal 6:16 Paul named new creatures in Christ "the Israel of God". How could this be if genetics determined who Israel is?I am right.
As I wrote to John, take genetics out of the way and the problems cease.
Glad you are feeling better and are feisty again. My prayers appear to have been answered.

If your post agreed with mine, then you are correct is the better way to look at it.

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News Item10/22/12 2:27 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
John UK wrote:
Ah yes, Lurker. This is the problem. What IS Israel, especially in the text of Romans 11:26?
Israel is the seed of Jacob...... period. God's promise was made to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and no one else..... period. There is one seed; Christ..... period. All this ethnic stuff is a distraction from the truth of scripture. You and I are descendants of Abraham and Sarah through Isaac and Jacob.

In Rom 11:26, Paul, in saying "all Israel" is talking about both houses of Israel; the house of Judah (and Benjamin) which had been cast off, broken off the olive tree (COG) and the house of Israel (ten tribes) which had earlier been scattered amongst the Gentles (Edom or Esau) and had now became the object of God's mercy through His purpose of election.

Ezekiel 37, the dry bones parable and the two sticks parable, is relevant to your question.

In Gal 6:16 Paul named new creatures in Christ "the Israel of God". How could this be if genetics determined who Israel is?

SteveR wrote:
Question then
I am right.

As I wrote to John, take genetics out of the way and the problems cease.

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News Item10/22/12 2:05 PM
John for Jesus | Atl  Find all comments by John for Jesus
SteveR wrote:
2 Corinthians 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
The 'Remnant' is not national, it is Christ. He is the seed of rebirth for ALL men
Isaiah 1:9 Except the LORD of hosts had left unto us a very small remnant, we should have been as Sodom, and we should have been like unto Gomorrah.
Romans 9:29 And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha.
When Paul quotes Isaiah, he uses seed. We receive further clarification of that singular seed in Galatians
Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
I believe the gospel is hid, therefore it must be preached to the lost.
The remnant will be saved. Jesus is not in need of salvation. The remnant is always spoken of in the plural tense and not singular as would be expected of Jesus.
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News Item10/22/12 1:53 PM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
amen!

and yes, Christ will bring the gospel to the elect, including the remnant Jew, no matter where they are.

we do not need to trap our Jewish friends into a wore-torn region for their salvation. Hallelujah. His remnant will hear His voice. Nothing can separate us from the love of Christ, for those who believe!

amen!

it is said clearly in scripture, not all those who say they are, are......

and one salvation is Christ. that is one salvation.

the bible is the story of an everlasting Father in heaven intervening through history through the Messiah!

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News Item10/22/12 1:31 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Revelations 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not ...

It would appear “on the surface” that some are advocating what is called Covenantal Nomism which basically says that all Jews are God’s people because of some type of covenant relationship identified by Jewish boundary markers. But, Paul said non-believing Jews were dogs, that doesn’t sound very convenantal to me. I would agree with those who understand that a remnant will be saved, but that remnant will consist of all Jews who follow Christ; all of the seed of Abraham. Yes, Christ will save all of His Jewish remnant as well as His Gentile elect. Christ only has one bride, not two. Now as far as God being able to evangelize all Jews regardless of where they exist, consider this. Revelations 14:6. And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, 7. Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. God created light before He created the sun. Is anything hard for Him.

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News Item10/22/12 1:00 PM
SteveR | Upper Midwest  Find all comments by SteveR
Lurker wrote:
Your instinct that an en mass awakening of Jews will magically take place at some time in the future is unbiblical, is on the mark, John.
All Israel will be saved
Question then
Lets say you are right. Why are families of Europeans or Africans that adopted a religion centuries after Christ that is called Judaism among 'Israel', whereas authentic Hebrew Families that adopted Islam are not 'Israel?'
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News Item10/22/12 11:21 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Lurker wrote:
All Israel will be saved.....
Ah yes, Lurker. This is the problem. What IS Israel, especially in the text of Romans 11:26?
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News Item10/22/12 10:17 AM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
John UK wrote:
So at some point in time, shall we say, January 2013, all the Jews, all over the world, will en masse believe the gospel and receive their Messiah, and you are saying that they CHOSE to believe, with a free will to accept or reject?

Funny how they all chose to believe at the same time.

Your instinct that an en mass awakening of Jews will magically take place at some time in the future is unbiblical, is on the mark, John.

All Israel will be saved when the veil cast over all the people is destroyed and death is swallowed up in victory (Is 25:6-8, cf 1 Cor 15:54), at the second resurrection of the just and unjust, at the great white throne judgment, of the purchased possession, when the mortal puts on immortality and incorruptibility.

Is 25:9 And it shall be said in that day, Lo, this is our God; we have waited for him, and he will save us: this is the LORD; we have waited for him, we will be glad and rejoice in his salvation.

Does this sound like unbelieving Jews who suddenly and magically chose to believe? Or rather believers who have been patiently enduring the tribulation awaiting God's salvation from wrath which puts an end to the tribulation?

If it weren't so sad the Dispy eschatology would be laughable.

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News Item10/22/12 8:40 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
John for Jesus wrote:
All Israel will be saved at that time, not all people who were ever Israeli.
So at some point in time, shall we say, January 2013, all the Jews, all over the world, will en masse believe the gospel and receive their Messiah, and you are saying that they CHOSE to believe, with a free will to accept or reject?

Funny how they all chose to believe at the same time.

And I still don't know how you interpret Romans 11:26.

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News Item10/22/12 8:20 AM
SteveR | Upper Midwest  Find all comments by SteveR
John for Jesus wrote:
Israel has the light of the gospel and chooses not to believe. In the future, God will refine them to where only a remnant remains who will believe. Thus all Israel will be saved. Salvation is not to the lucky, but the those who have faith. Perhaps your Calvinism is tripping you up here.
2 Corinthians 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

The 'Remnant' is not national, it is Christ. He is the seed of rebirth for ALL men

Isaiah 1:9 Except the LORD of hosts had left unto us a very small remnant, we should have been as Sodom, and we should have been like unto Gomorrah.

Romans 9:29 And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha.

When Paul quotes Isaiah, he uses seed. We receive further clarification of that singular seed in Galatians

Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

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News Item10/22/12 8:10 AM
John for Jesus | Atl  Find all comments by John for Jesus
All Israel will be saved at that time, not all people who were ever Israeli.
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News Item10/22/12 7:28 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
John for Jesus wrote:
Israel has the light of the gospel and chooses not to believe. In the future, God will refine them to where only a remnant remains who will believe. Thus all Israel will be saved. Salvation is not to the lucky, but the those who have faith. Perhaps your Calvinism is tripping you up here.
But John, you are the one who is telling me that currently Israel is in a bad place, and that some time in the future God will do "something" so that all Israel will be saved. If anything, it is you who is espousing predestination theology.

Tell me, why don't these Jews believe today, instead of waiting around for God to do something. They are playing fast and loose with their souls, are they not?

And then you say: "In the future, God will refine them to where only a remnant remains who will believe. Thus all Israel will be saved."

If only a remnant believe and are saved, how can you then say that "all Israel will be saved"? You are not making sense at all.

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News Item10/22/12 7:16 AM
John for Jesus | Atl  Find all comments by John for Jesus
John UK wrote:
Ah, now John, this is a bit different. This "remnant of Israel", this is Abraham's descendents who are currently alive when the event occurs? So that those of Abraham's descendents who die unbelieving just before it occurs, will perish because of unbelief? But those lucky ones who are alive when God chooses to enlighten them as a whole nation, will be saved?
It all seems a bit odd to me, but I am thanking you for your responses, and I keep an open mind. But I somehow feel that the truth is somewhat different from what you hold forth. I would dearly love to grasp it, because obviously God has something yet for his ancient people, but I cannot yet see it.
Israel has the light of the gospel and chooses not to believe. In the future, God will refine them to where only a remnant remains who will believe. Thus all Israel will be saved. Salvation is not to the lucky, but the those who have faith. Perhaps your Calvinism is tripping you up here.
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