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FRIDAY, OCT 12, 2012  |  116 comments  |  1 commentary
Mitt Romney Visits Rev. Billy Graham: ‘Prayer Is the Most Helpful Thing You Can Do For Me’

Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney met Thursday with Rev. Billy Graham, and the aging evangelist pledged to do “all I can” to help the GOP nominee win the presidency.

Romney went to see Graham and his son, the Rev. Franklin Graham, at the elderly evangelist’s mountaintop home in the mountains of western North Carolina.

“Prayer is the most helpful thing you can do for me,” Romney told the 93-year-old Graham.


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Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Frank wrote:
I like your thought process. You are correct, the world assigns negative labels to certain thought processes; like conspiracies, radicals, fundamentalist, etc. and it causes the church to back off. If you question Obama's birth place, you are labeled a "birther", etc. So, what they do is ridicule people and since no one likes to be ridiculed, they then keep their mouths shut. Good thought process.
Off subject, but similar, was the loud, laughing ridicule attempted by Biden during his debate with Ryan. Hoping to cow Ryan into submission. It didn't work, but did make Biden look a foolish defender of the status quo.

As to Billy Graham being a Mason, with "secret handshakes" and all, it's exactly this kind of stuff lends support to the idea of conspiracy. Bible calls it gossip, or maybe slander.

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News Item10/12/12 1:39 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
jpw wrote:
we have trusted and followed the masons and globalists instead of listening to the Holy Spirit and the Word of God.
God has provided truth and warning along the way and we have ignored it, and instead followed our "prophets" for ethical understanding.
God's people are truly destroyed by a lack of knowledge.
Phrases like "conspiracy theory" have taught our generation to shut off our minds, to never question, but to follow as sheep. This has been taught to us as the highest calling of a Christian. to not think.
A phrase and church talk that have neutered us.
And here, even Billy himself has been teaching universalism. Perhaps the secret masonic handshakes among the fellowship every week, remind us that we are responsible to live rightly before God in this time -- instead of seeking a mediator to tell us what we ought to be.
I like your thought process. You are correct, the world assigns negative labels to certain thought processes; like conspiracies, radicals, fundamentalist, etc. and it causes the church to back off. If you question Obama's birth place, you are labeled a "birther", etc. So, what they do is ridicule people and since no one likes to be ridiculed, they then keep their mouths shut. Good thought process.
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News Item10/12/12 1:24 PM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
we have trusted and followed the masons and globalists instead of listening to the Holy Spirit and the Word of God.

God has provided truth and warning along the way and we have ignored it, and instead followed our "prophets" for ethical understanding.

God's people are truly destroyed by a lack of knowledge.

Phrases like "conspiracy theory" have taught our generation to shut off our minds, to never question, but to follow as sheep. This has been taught to us as the highest calling of a Christian. to not think.

A phrase and church talk that have neutered us.

And here, even Billy himself has been teaching universalism. Perhaps the secret masonic handshakes among the fellowship every week, remind us that we are responsible to live rightly before God in this time -- instead of seeking a mediator to tell us what we ought to be.

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News Item10/12/12 1:16 PM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
Frank wrote:
Thanks Michael. As you know I tend to be divisive and you seem to have such a sweet spirit. Because my natural tendency is to be divisive, I'm sure there are nuances in the way I define my enemies versus enemies of the cross. But, we won't discuss those things here.
I do enjoy reading your posts because they are always thought provoking.
Frank
Thank you, trusting you know any good in me is only by God's mercy and grace.

Now on the subject of being divisive, and to provoke some thought

Would it be divisive to request the pastors of a large church to politely ask a man whose estranged wife, one he left, who would desire reconciliation, to refrain from attending the singles Sunday School Class and dating one of the women in that class even before any divorce is final and instead attend a men's Sunday School Class until the matter can be resolved one way or another?

Perhaps we need a loving bit of divisiveness, just a thought here.

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News Item10/12/12 1:05 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Michael Hranek wrote:
Frank
Wow! Have you said something I needed to be reminded of, something that greatly helps me in my relationship with others, especially those professing to be Christians.
Love them (even if they are enemies of the Cross)
When we get love and trust confused it is destructive to our walk with the Lord and in bring forth fruit that honors Him and makes life more than worth the living.
No wonder I like (love and trust together) God-fearing preachers who love the Word of God and labor to preach and teach it accurately in context, with Biblical meaning that those who hear would truly hear what God wants to say to us.
Thanks Michael. As you know I tend to be divisive and you seem to have such a sweet spirit. Because my natural tendency is to be divisive, I'm sure there are nuances in the way I define my enemies versus enemies of the cross. But, we won't discuss those things here.

I do enjoy reading your posts because they are always thought provoking.

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News Item10/12/12 12:22 PM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
Frank wrote:
My comment was designed to say that I wouldn't trust them or rely upon them.

I'm sure you can see the difference in loving someone versus trusting someone.

Frank
Wow! Have you said something I needed to be reminded of, something that greatly helps me in my relationship with others, especially those professing to be Christians.

Love them (even if they are enemies of the Cross)

Trust them, have fellowship with them, worship and serve together with them, if they show themselves, genuinely born again of the Holy Spirit and under the Authority of the Lord Jesus Christ, under the authority of the word of God and in agreement with what God teaches and commands of us in it, and under that authority of the Holy Spirit who indwells believers and empowers them to serve and live faithful to the will of God.

When we get love and trust confused it is destructive to our walk with the Lord and in bring forth fruit that honors Him and makes life more than worth the living.

No wonder I like (love and trust together) God-fearing preachers who love the Word of God and labor to preach and teach it accurately in context, with Biblical meaning that those who hear would truly hear what God wants to say to us.

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News Item10/12/12 11:51 AM
Rufus | Fort Worth, TX  Protected NameFind all comments by Rufus
Leo B wrote:
The Lord commands;
Matt 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; 45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
Do you love Mitt and Billy?
Do you pray for Mitt's success?
Do you obey the commands of Christ?
A verse to likewise consider...
"And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them." - Ephesians 5:11
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News Item10/12/12 11:49 AM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Leo B wrote:
The Lord commands;
Matt 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; 45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
Do you love Mitt and Billy?
Do you pray for Mitt's success?
Do you obey the commands of Christ?
My comment was designed to say that I wouldn't trust them or rely upon them. I'm sure you can see the difference in loving someone versus trusting someone.
Sorry if my post confused my thoughts. However to answer your questions.

I don't know Mitt Romney or Billy Graham, so I have no emotional feelings for either one?

I do not pray for Mitt's personal success.

I try to obey God's commands, but fail miserably.

Thanks for your follow-up.

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News Item10/12/12 11:39 AM
Leo B  Find all comments by Leo B
Frank wrote:
The most dangerous enemy we can have is the enemy that we trust. The enemy we recognize, while dangerous, cannot possibly cause us as much harm as the one who has gained our trust and confidence
The Lord commands;
Matt 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; 45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

Do you love Mitt and Billy?
Do you pray for Mitt's success?
Do you obey the commands of Christ?

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News Item10/12/12 11:27 AM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
I'll bet that Billy didn't tell Romney that he was lost and would face the wrath of God unless he repented and believed on the Lord Jesus.

The most dangerous enemy we can have is the enemy that we trust. The enemy we recognize, while dangerous, cannot possibly cause us as much harm as the one who has gained our trust and confidence. Satan can do much more damage as a wolf in sheep’s clothing or as an angel of light, then as the prince of darkness. Romans 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. 18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

A few years ago I researched Billy Graham and came to the conclusion that he was indeed a Mason. I also found out just how heretical he can be on occasion even though he sounds right on occasion; like Rick Warren. The fact that FOX news and TBN like him and his son sort of sealed the argument for me and now I simply adhere to the first paragraph above.

Thanks to Michael, Rufus and Christopher for their comments. They were all a blessing to me.

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News Item10/12/12 9:33 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
Rufus wrote:
You have spoken rightly Christopher. It is my view that Billy Graham is a masonic wolf.
Rufus
While I have no knowledge or not of Billy Graham being a mason, he certainly has been ecumenical and even interfaith in his conduct (which outwardly appears so loving, kind, caring and of high morals) and increasingly so in his teaching, showing himself to be a false prophet, a wolf in sheep's clothing.

The interesting thing about false prophets and teachers is how they so often have some of the truth in their teachings and carefully parse their words, and behave in a way that outwards seems to be charitable, caring and "Christian" to give a venere of being orthodox.

For anyone interested you might want to look up things like the Templeton Prize and watch and listen closely because words mean things to Billy Graham in his own words.

How all this relates to his and Franklin's help to get Romney a Mormon elected time will tell but it certainly give Mormonism a venere of being a valid expression of Christianity.

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News Item10/12/12 9:29 AM
Christopher000 | RI  Find all comments by Christopher000
A Mason? Really? I guess there is much more to his background than I have come to notice. Wow, that's really difficult to digest because I don't know how one can mingle the two and be comfortable with it.
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News Item10/12/12 8:34 AM
Rufus | Fort Worth, TX  Protected NameFind all comments by Rufus
Christopher000 wrote:
Oops again...I know God has used him to do great things but if the rest is true how does one reconcile that? Is he a born again believer who just stumbled on some of his theology, or is he not born again but God used him anyway to get His good news out to the world?
I hope I made sense here. I'm typing on a new tablet where the submit button is a bit too close for comfort.
You have spoken rightly Christopher. It is my view that Billy Graham is a masonic wolf.
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News Item10/12/12 8:32 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Oops again...I know God has used him to do great things but if the rest is true how does one reconcile that? Is he a born again believer who just stumbled on some of his theology, or is he not born again but God used him anyway to get His good news out to the world?

I hope I made sense here. I'm typing on a new tablet where the submit button is a bit too close for comfort.

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News Item10/12/12 8:25 AM
  
Oops... hit submit on that last post too early. I think he referred to him as greatest spiritual leader of this generation so I'm assuming that he preaches ecumenical? Also, I believe that after his alter calls, he would always send new believers back to their own churches, whether that be Roman Catholic, etc.

Maybe I have him all wrong. I know God has used him to do great things but I'm wondering

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News Item10/12/12 8:17 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
I'm guessing that I''ll get some heat for this because Billy has done a lot of good things and seems to be loved by all. I guess what bothers me is that he is in fact loved by all., and that includes Pope John Paul who I think he was great friends with calling him "a great spiritual leader" or something very similar.
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