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US immigration chief: Same-sex ties are family ties
Same-sex couples will be considered “family relationships” in immigration proceedings, according to Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, a move that could help stem the deportation of those in gay or lesbian binational relationships.

Close family ties to the United States are a factor considered by authorities in deportation cases, and gay and lesbian advocates have long argued for same-sex couples to have the same immigration rights as opposite-sex couples.

“In an effort to make clear the definition of the phrase ‘family relationships,’ I have directed ICE to disseminate written guidance to the field that the interpretation of the phrase ‘family relationships’ includes long-term, same-sex partners,” Napolitano said in a letter. ...


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KJB Believer  Find all comments by KJB Believer
John UK wrote:
Quite right brother. I was thinking of the fundamentalist baptist brethren and sisters in the USA who believe in eternal security, but many of whom have a hatred for the biblical doctrines of free and sovereign grace, and are not hesitant to express it.
Sad to say brother but I am one of the fundamentalist baptists. We believe in a free grace based on faith by the person and the grace given by the foreknowledge of God(Rom 8:29). In others word God look in the future and predestine those who would ask for forgiveness.
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News Item10/1/12 8:09 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
KJB Believer wrote:
I sad to say John UK that I believe that a majority of the "lose your salvation arminists" are not our brethren. It as my pastor said yesterday "if you can believe you can lose it, then you did not get from God"(that's about what he said).
Quite right brother. I was thinking of the fundamentalist baptist brethren and sisters in the USA who believe in eternal security, but many of whom have a hatred for the biblical doctrines of free and sovereign grace, and are not hesitant to express it.
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News Item10/1/12 7:59 AM
KJB Believer  Find all comments by KJB Believer
John Yurich USA wrote:
What prison are you referring to?
The Roman Catholic Prison.
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News Item10/1/12 7:56 AM
Dan | Tennessee  Find all comments by Dan
John UK:
Thank you for your subsequent posts!

John Yurich:
In your next to last post you said
"I switched political affiliation from Democrat to Republican in 2008 because I had seen and heard enough of the Democrats insanity supporting abortion, homosexuality and other perversions."
and I wonder why you couldn't have remained in the Democrat camp and just rejected the unscriptural parts of their MASSively unscriptural platform?

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News Item10/1/12 7:46 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
KJB Believer wrote:
That is a surprise John Y. With the fact your prison was the one who help get the Muslim, JFW, Morons, Jim Jones, ect. on their feet.
What prison are you referring to?
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News Item10/1/12 7:22 AM
KJB Believer  Find all comments by KJB Believer
John UK wrote:
but to our arminist brethren and sisters they are quite evil and heretical?
I sad to say John UK that I believe that a majority of the "lose your salvation arminists" are not our brethren. It as my pastor said yesterday "if you can believe you can lose it, then you did not get from God"(that's about what he said).

That is a surprise John Y. With the fact your prison was the one who help get the Muslim, JFW, Morons, Jim Jones, ect. on their feet.

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News Item10/1/12 5:08 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Mike wrote:
The key word is not "all" but "may." If it said all "will" go in, then there would be argument, for that would make it imperative. In the case of "may" it is permissive.
Brother Mike, it is a fact that there is a LifeGate, and it is a fact that God prevents none from entering if they wish to do so.

And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
John 5:40 KJV

Here, Jesus places the emphasis on the responsibility of the man. He will NOT come to Christ, that he may have life eternal. But IF he had come to Christ, he would have received it.

Now, supposing that you, Mike, was the man who said, "I will not come to Christ, that I may have life." You would be lost forever. (There but for the grace of God go I.)

Now, how about if God loved you SO much that he would not take no for an answer? What if, despite your unwillingness to commit your life to Christ, would you be willing for God to do an internal operation in your mind? To the intent that although previously you were a rebel against God determined never to enter by the strait gate, you now want this more than anything in the world?

If God left you to your unwilling will, you would be lost. Does this make sense at all?

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News Item9/30/12 8:23 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
John UK wrote:
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And all the arminists replied, saying by way of quoting the later part of the hymn, "...and opened the LifeGate, that ALL may go in."
The key word is not "all" but "may." If it said all "will" go in, then there would be argument, for that would make it imperative. In the case of "may" it is permissive. We probably don't agree on this, bro, but I do not believe the Arminian thinks all will be saved. Whether he understands that God first loves us, and draws us, or mistakenly thinks it was his own idea, the result is, he comes. Time enough to discover what is true as he grows.

From the same song:
"O come to the Father thro' Jesus the Son,
And give Him the glory, great things He hath done."

No self salvation in those words.

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News Item9/30/12 7:31 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
eyesalve wrote:
only seeking to understand how the reverend Spirit filled man can say that certain Biblical doctrines quote, "are quite evil and heretical?" rather than simply stating more humbly as you have just done "it is a mystery".

You are forming an argument that the emergent church would use. They basically say that if 10 people disagree on a spiritual issue, then that means there is no truth regarding that issue, since each would say the Holy Spirit is guiding them. They would then say it is wrong to form an opinion because God is not the author of confusion and things like that.

Well, if 10 people disagree on an issue, that doesn't mean that one wasn't correct and 9 were wrong. That is logical and that is the way I look at it. Christ and all His disciples drew lines in the sand and there is nothing wrong if we do the same.

Truth is truth regardless of whether or not we agree or disagree on the issue. Each of us are independently responsble for finding that truth. Jesus heard what the people were saying about Him, but He asked Peter, "But who do "you" say that I am".

So, I hope you aren't part of the emergent church movement, but if you are or aren't, you argue as if you are.

I am only using your thoughts?

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News Item9/30/12 6:41 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
eyesalve wrote:
This is a simple question by an unbeliever. How can men claiming to be indwelt and being led by the same HS have opposite views on the doctrines of grace if the SPIRIT IS TRUTH (and HE is)and is leading them as THEY claim.
Ugh? Now that IS a good question.
All believers believe that we are saved by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone. This is the unity of believers in Christ, and is the basis of truth being led by the Spirit to understand such and preach such.

But some, by logical inference, and a few choice proof texts, claim that the Bible speaks of a limited atonement, where the Saviour has atoned for the sins of God's elect alone, and the rest of the world has no Saviour to call on, and no redemption to save them. Such are never called by God into fellowship with his Son.

Others state that God's grace "enables" them to make a choice which will affect their life. "Choose ye this day whom ye will serve."

Now some will put blinkers on and permit their doctrinal statements and confessions to wrest some scriptures out of context, just so that their dogma stays intact. Risky.

Grey areas? Certainly there are grey areas in the Bible, and one day we shall understand them better.

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News Item9/30/12 6:21 PM
eyesalve | just asking not answering  Find all comments by eyesalve
I don't believe I said anything against arminians; only seeking to understand how the reverend Spirit filled man can say that certain Biblical doctrines quote, "are quite evil and heretical?" rather than simply stating more humbly as you have just done "it is a mystery".

"Of course, the majority of genuine arminists hate the doctrines of grace"-we know that to be true.

So led by the HS to speak evil of truth and hate truth? Obviously not. How many books are there attacking the doctrines of grace and I suspect all the authors would say they are led by the HS to write such (though not as Gail Ripplinger and claim to be inspired!). Unless God is the author of confusion?

So how do we evaluate who then is led by the HS? The person confidently attacking true doctrine is being led by the Spirit of Truth?

This is a simple question by an unbeliever. How can men claiming to be indwelt and being led by the same HS have opposite views on the doctrines of grace if the SPIRIT IS TRUTH (and HE is)and is leading them as THEY claim.

Ugh? Now that IS a good question. We are not speaking about babes here, but authors who can be aged ministers with years of Bible study.

We can be ignorant and indeed are ignorant of much in scripture, but to hate sound doctrine??

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News Item9/30/12 5:27 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Walling wrote:
What "Truth" is not understood by the elect?
Walling, if a boy attends a good church from birth, he will know and could argue plenty of doctrine without understanding it or being born again. His parents will be Christians and hopefully will nurture him in the admonition and fear of the Lord. A lot of Frenchies will be like this.

But someone saved outside church structures or parental guidance will have heard no doctrine except the foundational teaching of the gospel: the state of man in his sin, the redemption accomplished by the Lord Jesus Christ, God's Son; and the necessity of calling upon the resurrected Saviour for the gift of eternal life, being accompanied by a heartfelt repentance which leads to a radically changed life and a bowing down to the Lordship of Christ. All this being by the grace of God through even a very simple gospel message as I've outlined.

If God applies his redemption to such, they will know very little doctrine, and they will also find it difficult to find a church where sound doctrine is taught and practised. Yet they will be God's children, even if they have no Bible to learn from.

Or do you advocate learning directly from The Teacher like the charis people recommend.

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News Item9/30/12 4:53 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Walling wrote:
What "Truth" is not understood by the elect? Frank.
Since:-
John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
John 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth
I can't answer that question and I agree there is something called "foundational" truth; for instance that Jesus was raised from the dead, etc, that "all" must acknowledge to be in the faith. But please note the scriptures I noted in my previous post.

I agree with John UK,(thank you brother) much of my understanding has come very gradual. Perhaps that was not the same with you? We are admonished to "study to show ourselves approved" and things like that which make no sense if we aren't learning and growing.

I always say that I am absolutely convinced I am right until I change my thoughts about something. But, I do agree with you if you are referring to "foundational" truth.

Thanks for the follow up!

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News Item9/30/12 4:38 PM
Walling  Find all comments by Walling
Frank wrote:
Truth that is not understood is often rejected by genuine born again believers
What "Truth" is not understood by the elect? Frank.
Since:-
John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

John 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth

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News Item9/30/12 4:14 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Frank wrote:
But, almost by definition, Christians will learn and grow in their theology and their understanding of scripture. To say otherwise is simply foolishness and not according to scripture.
Precisely so, Frank. As was the rest of your excellent post. I was reading this chapter this morning where there is a process involved which can take a long time:

Ephesians 3:14-19 KJV
14 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
15 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,
16 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;
17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.

There are depths of knowledge and a fulness of God that no-one knows of, even Frenchies.

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News Item9/30/12 4:12 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Holburn wrote:
John
It is your own outfit the Roman Catholics who support the Democrats. Perhaps because they serve the papal antichrist?
I see some of your RC Bishops are announcing that a vote for Democrat will send you to hell! (Bishop of Springfield, Illinois)
So perhaps you should be shouting at your fellow pew-fillers.
The official teaching of the Catholic Church in the United States is that for Catholics to vote Democrat is a grave sin. The Pope is not for Obama and the Democrats because of their support of abortion, homosexuality and other perversions. The Pope is for Romney and the Republicans because of their being against abortion, homosexuality and other perversions. I switched political affiliation from Democrat to Republican in 2008 because I had seen and heard enough of the Democrats insanity supporting abortion, homosexuality and other perversions.
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News Item9/30/12 3:50 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Let me be the first to admit that much of sanctification is a mystery to me. All we be conformed into the image of God’s Son, but not in the same way? In fact, the Holy Spirit makes intercession for His church in ways that we don’t even know about.

Romans 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

But, almost by definition, Christians will learn and grow in their theology and their understanding of scripture. To say otherwise is simply foolishness and not according to scripture.

1 Corinthians 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. 2. I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able. 3. For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

However, here is an important caveat to my learning and growing thoughts. Truth that is not understood is often rejected by genuine born again believers, while truth that is understood can never be rejected by genuine born again believers – well maybe never. :co

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News Item9/30/12 3:18 PM
Holburn  Find all comments by Holburn
John Yurich USA wrote:
This nation is becoming more and more insane under the Democrat leadership of Obama. It is hard to believe that some of you brainless Evangelical Protestants on here are against Romney when the alternative is another 4 years of Obama. And voting for an Independent presidential candidate is useless since an Independent presidential candidate stands zero chance of winning.
John
It is your own outfit the Roman Catholics who support the Democrats. Perhaps because they serve the papal antichrist?

I see some of your RC Bishops are announcing that a vote for Democrat will send you to hell! (Bishop of Springfield, Illinois)

So perhaps you should be shouting at your fellow pew-fillers.

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News Item9/30/12 12:47 PM
eyeopener  Find all comments by eyeopener
eyesalve wrote:
Questions
"It hath ever been the lot of truth (like the Lord of it) to be crucified between right-hand and left-hand thieves. Truth’s enemies, on all hands, are various. While some men consider the Bible to be an imposition on the world, and treat salvation by Christ as mere priestcraft and deception, there are others who tell us they have Christ, and are one with Christ, and yet with audacious effrontery cry down the ordinances of the gospel, and consider the means of grace as too burdensome for a free-born conscience, and too low and carnal for a seraphic spirit. There is as much beyond the truth as on this side. of it; as much in outrunning the flock of Christ and the Lamb that leads them, as in straggling and loitering behind. Truth hath evermore observed the golden mean....

Thus Arminius’ school teacheth deeper divinity than what Paul learned in the third heaven. And they do not only with the Socinians gratify the pride of man’s reason, but also the pride of man’s will, in extenuating and lessening both the guilt and filth of original sin; even as Popery, their elder sister, doth gratify the pride of outward sense." (Christopher Ness)

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News Item9/30/12 12:07 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
eyesalve wrote:
Questions: So howbeit that they which be illuminated by the same 'Holy Spirit' come to such a wrong conclusion, yet also claim to be guided by the very same TEACHER-THE Holy Spirit, which we all agree has promised to teach us 'all things'? Why be kept in such darkness?
The troublesome question is, how can they, claiming to be filled with the very same Holy Spirit, HATE the doctrines authored by the Sovereign Lord of their own Bible and biblicism?
Folk like Pastor Mike, still in total darkness, must wonder how some of God's most vociferous servants still remain partially blind and claim the very same illuminator?
I am unable to answer any of your questions, it is a mystery to me. Perhaps you could enlighten me bro? Or do you imagine that no-one holding arminist doctrine can be indwelt by the Holy Ghost?
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